Hawks racism allegations (merged thread)

[The Lobster Effect 899]

Yeah will be interesting to see what actually happens with Clarko (and maybe Fagan)

[Jibroni 5,057]

So it appears most of the players mentioned have no left. The question has to be asked, if this was widespread, the leadership group and Captain would have been complicit in these types of things?

Leaves Mitchell in an awkward position as well.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Jibroni

[Kent 2,920]

48 minutes ago, binman said:

I'm struggling to process this news

If the allegations are true, and reading the ABC article it's hard not assume they are, this is beyond comprehension.

Horrors like this sound like something that has come to light from the 1950s or 60s, and that collectively we all say that's horrific, thank god things have changed. But it is alleged to have happened in the last 15 years. I'm shocked.

Again, if true, this is on another level all together to the bombers drug scandal. Both scenarios involve a complete breach of trust, but this is something else entirely.

Yes Binman lets us see what the named people and  organisation say in response to these serious allegations

[layzie 34,528]

Hodge and other playing leaders are going to have to be careful about what they say as I imagine they will be seriously questioned about this is an official capacity.

I would think the leaders in the playing group would be at least somewhat aware of living situations of new draftees. If the alleged coaching and development group has witheld the information of what they were instructing these families to do then that is another thing altogether and they have breached their trust as well. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,457]

Wow. I just woke up and read that. Couldn’t read the whole thing. 
i know how many legal checks an article like this would have gone through at the ABC

This is beyond evil

[tiers 2,883]

Was it only aboriginal boys who suffered like this? Could it also have happened to non-aboriginal boys who had to break up relationships? And is it restricted to only one club? Still happening?

Lots of questions that need answers. Soon.

[darkhorse72 1,943]

Wowee, what a read. 

While it was an indigenous investigation in the terms of reference by the club, I think a new more in-depth investigation that will focus on all players of the period as I am curious whether the behaviour targeted at certain groups or was the widespread culture of the club? 

I wonder how many workplace and racial descrimination laws were broken in these actions.

However, a proper due process investigation is needed before we'll know exactly what happened.  

**Was it deliberately released on GF week to try and hide it or just when it was completed.

 

 

 

Edited September 21, 2022 by darkhorse72

[binman 44,824]

Gil McLachlan doing presser now.

Streaming on the Age now

'On face value, it's hard to find more serious allegations'

[Jaded No More 68,976]

Just now, binman said:

Gil McLachlan doing presser now.

Streaming on the Age now

'On face value, it's hard to find more serious allegations'

No [censored] Gil.

But I bet you will protect your mate Clarkson. He always gets what he wants from the AFL. Rule changes, draft concessions, the ability to racially vilify players. It's all fair game for some. 

[TRIGON 4,821]

Its either:

1. one huge defamation case in the offing, or
2. reprehensible behaviour that's almost unimaginable.

Saying that I'd be amazed if the ABC authorised the release of this article without first addressing the potential legal ramifications - they must be very confident that their sources are rock-solid.

[Mel Bourne 4,541]

Having just read the ABC article, I’m having a lot of trouble conceiving how such detailed and unusually harrowing accounts could possibly be concocted. The accounts of the women affected in particular seem so specific and shocking in their severity, that I’m at a loss as to how anybody could make such a thing up. 

There are obviously many more steps to be taken in this process, but man…..

If true, this is the darkest day I’ve ever witnessed, not only for the Hawks, but for the entire sport. The Bombers’ scandal was one thing, but this is far worse.

And if true, Clarkson/Fagan are done, and should never show their faces at a footy oval again. 

I’ve always thought Clarkson was a complete and utter xxxx (and have heard first-hand accounts that back that up), but the soft spot I have for Fagan has evaporated  

 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Grapeviney
Language xxxx

[Demonland 74,431]

 

[Demonland 74,431]

 

[Demon Disciple 12,536]

1 minute ago, Mel Bourne said:

And if true, Clarkson/Fagan are done, and should never show their faces at a footy oval again. 

IF and i stress IF these allegations are proven to be correct, these 2 are in for some serious ramifications.

[1964_2 2,357]

8 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

No [censored] Gil.

But I bet you will protect your mate Clarkson. He always gets what he wants from the AFL. Rule changes, draft concessions, the ability to racially vilify players. It's all fair game for some. 

If they are consistent (and the allegations are proven to be correct) then Clarkson should never coach again. 

We will see. 
 

[Stiff Arm 4,420]

I had been told in the early 2000s by a recruiter from another club (not Hawthorn, it must be said) that he believed Hawthorn had a long-standing, unofficial policy of not recruiting indigenous kids. Said they had changed that but put in place strict controls on all young recruits not from Melb city. At the time I thought he was spinning sheet. Not now 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Stiff Arm

[DubDee 26,674]

The weird part is, doing what they did wouldn’t help performance or lead to a settled young man playing good footy. Having a partner and kids often leads to a matured settled person. 

so hiding behind wanting to win is crazy. They are just abusing young people

[Sir Why You Little 37,457]

The ABC will be confident of their Sources 

I would be staggered if this article is false in any way

[binman 44,824]

3 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

IF and i stress IF these allegations are proven to be correct, these 2 are in for some serious ramifications.

Not just them, but the club as well.

If true, then any number of work place laws have likely been broken, not least the responsibility to ensure a safe working environment.

 

[Neil Crompton 5,852]

Clarkson and Fagan likely to be stood down from their roles until enquiry completed.

[dees189227 12,512]

I just wonder how Sonja hood is feeling right now 

[chook fowler 19,772]

they're gorne

[Jaded No More 68,976]

Just now, Neil Crompton said:

Clarkson and Fagan likely to be stood down from their roles until enquiry completed.

North Melbourne can't take a trick. Their board must be in full blown meltdown mode.

I also can't imagine this would help Yze in his pursuit of a senior role, although there is absolutely nothing to suggest he was at all involved. It's just the optics really. 

[layzie 34,528]

Just when Gil thought he could have a cruisy exit from the job.. 

[ChaserJ 5,192]

Russell Jackson is one of the finest journalists in the country and broken some of the biggest stories in recent times. No question on his sources and veracity of his story.

This is a shameful story and can only hope it leads to a positive inflection point for society at large. The depths that clubs have ‘allegedly’ plumbed to achieve success continue to shock.