13 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Sadly petracca with a hairline fracture is still a better player than anyone else that we could bring in.

But yeah maybe subbing him out and bringing on Smith to go forward and changing things up could have helped.

But why did it have to happen to trac. Ugh

Let's face it...securing a tall BIG  strong Hawkins type forward is a must do priority for next year.

They are just hard to find. But if we are losing Dogga then that's what we should use to negotiate.

Sh*t outta luck 

3 hours ago, Webber said:

Hairline fracture means the bone is still stable, thus can bear weight. If he can do everything he needs without being pain inhibited, he will play I’d say. One week off won’t make enough difference to the vulnerability of the bone to bother missing. It’s all about the pain. If he can’t play with the pain, then he won’t. The one risk in playing on a ‘vulnerable’ bone (it’s essentially a strut), is if he gets the wrong external contact, the bone is more likely to fracture completely. To be brutal, this would heal happily in the off-season (surgery if displaced) and be good to go in early pre-season. Tough decision, but I reckon we all know what he’d want to do. 

Why wouldn’t you just jab it then? I know the jab can sometimes weaken tendons around the area etc if done too many times but there is not joint around there so numbing the surrounding nerves should be more than sufficient if the bone is not compromised. 

1 hour ago, wizardinoz said:

I don't understand why people on here rate Smith playing as a forward. He's been down there at Casey for at least the last 2 games and has done nothing. I'd rather see JVR unleashed than Smith.

Yeh, but JVR was not in the side !!

Either this form is full of doctors or else some people have just googled fibula. Do not know which ?

4 hours ago, Webber said:

We’ve actually had a very good year injury-wise. (Total games lost to injury). Huge part of why we finished 2nd. Injuries are not the cause of our current form problems. 

Agree mostly, but two injuries that continue to have a fairly major impact on the team's performance/structure are:

- Tom MacDonald. Him being out there makes the forward line function a lot better

- Christian Salem: Has been a shadow of himself since he came back from his injury, including last night. Watch the first quarter of the GF, his drive off half-back was the motor for so much of what followed.

34 minutes ago, dimmy said:

Yeh, but JVR was not in the side !!

Either this form is full of doctors or else some people have just googled fibula. Do not know which ?

What?

5 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Agree mostly, but two injuries that continue to have a fairly major impact on the team's performance/structure are:

- Tom MacDonald. Him being out there makes the forward line function a lot better

- Christian Salem: Has been a shadow of himself since he came back from his injury, including last night. Watch the first quarter of the GF, his drive off half-back was the motor for so much of what followed.

I don’t really want to be the voice of cruel reality, but there’s a lot of revisionism and rationalisation going on today. We should remember that Tmac had been dropped this year, and when he got injured, his form was ok to good. Personally I think he’s great, and better for our structure, but I reckon that impact is being conveniently overrated. Christian Salem can’t be counted as ‘injured’. He played a full game. Yes, his season has been incomplete, and his form below last year, but he’s still there. As for the assumption that bandaged and strapped players amounts to us being more banged-up and carrying more cumulative injuries than other teams, that’s just an assumption based on very unreliable evidence.In truth, we’ve had a very settled season for personnel, week to week. Not perfect, never is. In-game injuries a few times, a bit of Covid absence (we won that game), but otherwise the kind of consistency ANY club would take if given the option at season’s start. 

1 hour ago, CYB said:

Why wouldn’t you just jab it then? I know the jab can sometimes weaken tendons around the area etc if done too many times but there is not joint around there so numbing the surrounding nerves should be more than sufficient if the bone is not compromised. 

Pure painkilling injections aren’t a problem for repetition, only cortico-steroid jabs (anti-inflammatory). The problem is neither will do anything for bone pain. You can’t inject into the bone. Soft tissues around it, which will help reduce the pain from them, but that’s it. 

Why don’t we ever use a Sub????

At least it’s not Fritta with a hairline fracture. That’d be a big injury.

Sorry. It’s been a long week, and this place needs to lighten up.

4 minutes ago, SPC said:

Why don’t we ever use a Sub????

I really don’t understand. We literally never use one unless we have a concussed player. 
I don’t think Smith wins us the game. But why the hell would you make poor Trac play out a game when he can’t even walk. 

3 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

Pretty confident Smith wouldn’t have delivered more than Trac’s 13 second half possessions, 9 contested, 3 clearances (despite being on 1 leg) 

 

Trac had 24 disposals at 46% efficiency for the match.

I am confident Joel Smith could have at least broken even with him over the last 3 quarters and maybe given a point of difference 

Play him out of the goalsquare with bursts in the middle might actually give us some structure with Tmac back in.

1 hour ago, BW511 said:

Trac had 24 disposals at 46% efficiency for the match.

I am confident Joel Smith could have at least broken even with him over the last 3 quarters and maybe given a point of difference 

Maybe. Be a tough call to sub him off though. Especially when you know that even on 1 leg he still commands a quality player to try and shut him down. 
 

Edited September 3, 20222 yr by 1964_2

Can definitely play/run through hairline fractures of the shins. Cupla anti-inflammatories and pain-killers and away you go. Obviously, best case would be rest but we don’t have that luxury.

just inject some stem cells into his fibula, will okey-dokey by next friday

Dr. dc  (invoice in the mail) 

Stupid by the player to play on,

stupid by the football department to allow him to play on. 
stupid to give Brisbane a target for next week or indeed Geelong if we get that far.

stupid for the long term player management of tracca

stupid  stupid stupid absolutely stupid not to use a fit player with two legs for the balance of the game. 
if Smith is not better than a one legged Trac then he should have not been medi-sub and should not have  been resigned for another term.

mind boggling stupid  in my opinion

 

Absolutely no need to risk Tracc in this game, get Dunstan in this is exactly what we got him for. Tracc at 100% is the best player in the comp even if we get through i wouldn't risk him we want to see him dominate for the next 7 years not plod along in the last game of 2

Edited September 3, 20222 yr by Rednblueriseing

Might be worth having Trac play forward and bring Dunstan in for Nibbler.

7 hours ago, Deenooos_ said:

Absolute rubbish, this is a 4 week injury at the least. You saw how impacted Clarry was by his fractured thumb for 3-4 weeks, how do you think a fractured shinbone is ? Not good!

The classic layman’s shinbone is the tibia, which carries  the weight. The fibula (most of it) is for muscle attachment.  Only the lower (ankle) end has much structural impact. So depends where it is.  

7 hours ago, wizardinoz said:

I don't understand why people on here rate Smith playing as a forward. He's been down there at Casey for at least the last 2 games and has done nothing. I'd rather see JVR unleashed than Smith.

But in the context of this discussion, Smith was there and JVR wasn’t. 

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Can definitely play/run through hairline fractures of the shins. Cupla anti-inflammatories and pain-killers and away you go. Obviously, best case would be rest but we don’t have that luxury.

As above, hairline fractures of the shin (=tibia) are what is referred to as “shin splints” I believe - Webber please comment.  But as I understand these are cumulative stress fractures and not an acute impact injury. 
But, again, not really relevant to this discussion as CP5’s injury isn’t the tibia. 

Edited September 3, 20222 yr by monoccular

4 hours ago, Webber said:

I don’t really want to be the voice of cruel reality, but there’s a lot of revisionism and rationalisation going on today. 

Your point was "We’ve actually had a very good year injury-wise."

Agree, but the injuries we have had have impacted out ability to reach the same heights as last year and perform as consistently. Not by much, but it doesn't need to be much to start losing matches.

Salem may be out there but there's a difference been "not injured" and performing to your fullest ability. By his own admission his form isn't where he wants it to be (interview from a few weeks back), and that's because he missed half the season ... with an injury.

37 minutes ago, monoccular said:

7 hours ago, wizardinoz said:

nothing. I'd rather see JVR unleashed than Smith.

But in the context of this discussion, Smith was there and JVR wasn’t

I'm talking about selection for our next game.

2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Can definitely play/run through hairline fractures of the shins. Cupla anti-inflammatories and pain-killers and away you go. Obviously, best case would be rest but we don’t have that luxury.

Thanks ET. I had mentioned this earlier.  It sounds odd to  play with a “broken leg” but it’s the magnitude and location of the fracture.  I think it’s a huge risk. Huge.  One week possibly. But potentially for 3 matches is unbelievable.  It’s the doctor and the clubs call. 

2 hours ago, 640MD said:

Stupid by the player to play on,

stupid by the football department to allow him to play on. 
stupid to give Brisbane a target for next week or indeed Geelong if we get that far.

stupid for the long term player management of tracca

stupid  stupid stupid absolutely stupid not to use a fit player with two legs for the balance of the game. 
if Smith is not better than a one legged Trac then he should have not been medi-sub and should not have  been resigned for another term.

mind boggling stupid  in my opinion

 

Pettracca also played with the flu when we lost to Freo at the MCG 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

12 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Pettracca also played with the flu when we lost to Freo at the MCG 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Yeah that’s crazy. I get players playing through pain/injury but just getting out of bed with the flu is hard enough.