1 hour ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Were you a fly on the wall Daz?

That's a play by play right there.😂

This was well reported last year?

On 8/22/2023 at 8:54 PM, rpfc said:

They are educated through the contacts she has with agents and footy depts.

The guess part comes when, as @old55 would say, there is a bit of water yet to flow before October.

I suspect you’re right on that @rpfc, my first thought when she gave the info she had was that it was either Brodie’s agent or one of the clubs pursuing that had informed her.

The speculation on the trade cost sounded like this was the preference of a buyer (as opposed to what an MFC source would have claimed the cost would be). Was too specific to be a thought bubble from Caro.

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

I’d argue it’s obvious why it didn’t work. Neither Gawn nor Grundy contributed anything substantial in the forward line. If either of them did it would have worked. 

You are correct, but historically neither had shown that they were capable forwards. The club and some supporters got giddy by Max' 2021 Prelim 5 goal haul, but that has proven to be an outlier.

The 2nd reason why it didn't work is that both Max and Grundy need to spend a majority of the game as 1st ruck to be effective. 

The club should have learnt from the Preuss experiment.

19 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This was well reported last year?

I couldn't recall, good story though.

Edited August 24, 20231 yr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

15 minutes ago, mo64 said:

The club should have learnt from the Preuss experiment.

Preuss had much better VFL forward form than Grundy but as you say he couldn't bring it to AFL level.

FWIW I'd be making quiet enquiries of Goldstein re whether he wants a $400k one year top up of his retirement savings. He could have an "easy" VFL year backing up Verral and acting as a "break glass" back up for Max

47 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Preuss had much better VFL forward form than Grundy but as you say he couldn't bring it to AFL level.

FWIW I'd be making quiet enquiries of Goldstein re whether he wants a $400k one year top up of his retirement savings. He could have an "easy" VFL year backing up Verral and acting as a "break glass" back up for Max

Not the worst suggestion ....

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Preuss had much better VFL forward form than Grundy but as you say he couldn't bring it to AFL level.

FWIW I'd be making quiet enquiries of Goldstein re whether he wants a $400k one year top up of his retirement savings. He could have an "easy" VFL year backing up Verral and acting as a "break glass" back up for Max

If he passes a medical, then it's not the worst idea IF we think Verral has a future from 2025 and beyond.

Also means Goldstein is on injury standby, because you can't play him and Gawn in the same side. Ever.

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

When the original pairing was touted it was a scenario such as outlined above that came to mind  .. and yet as you suggest we never saw this. Odd really.  Oh well.

I know and they just gave Goodwin a 2 year extension!1 :)

I read in this morning’s Age he has just bought a house and is completing a Masters. So 

he ain’t planing to leave.

What is he doing his Masters in please?

I am still quietly confident that Brodie Grundy will help the Demons out during the finals and have an impact for us. Especially against teams who play 2 ruckmen.

The balance of Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn playing together and kicking goals worked well in the Pre-Season matches against St. Kilda and Richmond. I was genuinely excited after those performances.

Sadly, I don't know what went wrong after that. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I think Grundy will land In Sydney. Seems a good fit. If they land McKay and Grundy, they maximize their chances with a great core group for players. McDonald is now ready as a forward. Really completes their list. We’ll take their second pick, pay 200-300k, and no real loss in the experiment. Plus, he’s still a back up for Gawn, should anything go amiss between now and the grand final.

1 minute ago, KingDingAling said:

I think Grundy will land In Sydney. Seems a good fit. If they land McKay and Grundy, they maximize their chances with a great core group for players. McDonald is now ready as a forward. Really completes their list. We’ll take their second pick, pay 200-300k, and no real loss in the experiment. Plus, he’s still a back up for Gawn, should anything go amiss between now and the grand final.

No disrespect but why would we pay to have another club take him? Given he’s contracted we hold all the cards and, unlike the Pies last year, the club still sees the benefit of keeping the best back up ruckman in the game on the list (whereas the Pies wanted him gone)

I’m sure the club would try to do what’s best for all parties, but I highly doubt we’re going to pay part of his salary without receiving something substantial back the other way, either a player or higher pick - especially when there would be multiple clubs who would throw their hat in the ring to get him 

58 minutes ago, demoncat said:

No disrespect but why would we pay to have another club take him? Given he’s contracted we hold all the cards and, unlike the Pies last year, the club still sees the benefit of keeping the best back up ruckman in the game on the list (whereas the Pies wanted him gone)

I’m sure the club would try to do what’s best for all parties, but I highly doubt we’re going to pay part of his salary without receiving something substantial back the other way, either a player or higher pick - especially when there would be multiple clubs who would throw their hat in the ring to get him 

Because the money can be spent elsewhere. We don’t have a key forward, in hindsight, I’m sure we would’ve/should’ve, spent our money on that need. Why pay Grundy - a back up ruck on our list - 650k (1 mill) a year, when we will not utilize him? He’ll sit at Casey next year on 650k. The only reason he won’t is because he’ll request a trade, and we will honour that, as we know, if we don’t, we will be paying him 650k to play in our twos.

Edited August 24, 20231 yr by KingDingAling

12 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Because the money can be spent elsewhere. We don’t have a key forward, in hindsight, I’m sure we would’ve/should’ve, spent our money on that need. Why pay Grundy - a back up ruck on our list - 650k (1 mill) a year, when we will not utilize him? He’ll sit at Casey next year on 650k. The only reason he won’t is because he’ll request a trade, and we will honour that, as we know, if we don’t, we will be paying him 650k to play in our twos.

Grundy will go and we will pay nothing of his ongoing salary.

Goodwin admitted today that the Grundy experiment has not worked.

You don't get a clearer.. "he's up for trade" than that

“In terms of the way they function in the team together, from a forward-half perspective; I think it’s pretty clear ... that it hasn’t quite been the success that we were hoping for – and that certainly hasn’t been all on Brodie,” Goodwin said, a day after extending his tenure as coach to the end of 2026.

“We were hoping for Max to play big time forward [time] as well, and between the two of them we haven’t quite had the impact that we would have liked throughout the year, and we’ve had to look down a different path to how we structure up the forward half of the ground.

“At this point, that’s impacted Brodie’s ability to play in the team in the last five or six weeks, so I think from that perspective, we acknowledge that part of it hasn’t worked.

Edited August 24, 20231 yr by Diamond_Jim

Can't see us paying anything for him to leave. Collingwood is still on the hook for 250k and a club will get a #1 premiere ruck for 650k gor 4 years. Bargain. We still have power as we can keep him if a deal doesn't satisfy. Gawn is getting on and we have no other legitimate ruck options for next year if we are to move him on. Clubs are going to have to stump up a decent offer. 

1 hour ago, demoncat said:

No disrespect but why would we pay to have another club take him? Given he’s contracted we hold all the cards and, unlike the Pies last year, the club still sees the benefit of keeping the best back up ruckman in the game on the list (whereas the Pies wanted him gone)

I’m sure the club would try to do what’s best for all parties, but I highly doubt we’re going to pay part of his salary without receiving something substantial back the other way, either a player or higher pick - especially when there would be multiple clubs who would throw their hat in the ring to get him 

The simple reason we may pay some of his contract is because it would free up cap space to spend elsewhere. 

Could be that we get a better pick in return if we pay some. Just like the trading for him with Collingwood 12 mths ago. 

1 hour ago, KingDingAling said:

I think Grundy will land In Sydney. Seems a good fit. If they land McKay and Grundy, they maximize their chances with a great core group for players. McDonald is now ready as a forward. Really completes their list. We’ll take their second pick, pay 200-300k, and no real loss in the experiment. Plus, he’s still a back up for Gawn, should anything go amiss between now and the grand final.

We won’t be paying any part of his wage unless the pick is a first rounder 

Edited August 24, 20231 yr by Roost it far

3 hours ago, Dingo said:

I read in this morning’s Age he has just bought a house and is completing a Masters. So 

he ain’t planing to leave.

What is he doing his Masters in please?

Afl forward skills.

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Grundy will go and we will pay nothing of his ongoing salary.

Sanity and Clarity.. cheers

No chance he is still on the team next season, 0

1 minute ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

No chance he is still on the team next season, 0

I must confess.. I don't see him at the Dees next year either.  His work isn't finished here just yet I suspect..    but he is entitled to his career, and it wont go the way he probably desires in current situ.

Strangely I will always happily consider him an accomplished accidental Demon.

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

We won’t be paying any part of his wage unless the pick is a first rounder 

4 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

No chance he is still on the team next season, 0

Hey Goody, multiple accounts on Demonland are not permitted!!!

this is going to work out well for us,   we got Grundles relatively cheap because he had just spent a long time injured at the wobbles, and this year, he has been fit and firing. He  did not work with our team structure but we will get a handy profit margin (trade wise) from a quick turnaround.

 

 

5 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

If he passes a medical, then it's not the worst idea IF we think Verral has a future from 2025 and beyond.

Also means Goldstein is on injury standby, because you can't play him and Gawn in the same side. Ever.

I've only ever heard Goldstein wanting to be a one club player in interviews. Seems more important to him than playing in finals, or maybe even playing again. He has a type of misplaced club loyalty that is to the detriment of maximising his individual potential and retiring a (league) great. He could've won a flag with Geelong. And could win a flag with another club, but he has chosen not to.

Edited August 24, 20231 yr by John Demonic