Are we seriously discussing dumping Spargo at age 22? The kid will improve. 

42 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Flanders go as well. Joel Jeffrey the one I’d be keen on getting out (unlikely, especially now that Rankine is out).

I’ve kept a close eye on Flanders’ AFL progress, as he is a Fish Creek junior and his family is basically royalty at the FCFNC. 

To me, he lacks any real weapons to forge a successful career at AFL level (I’d have him back at FC in a heart beat though ❤️). Sure he’s tough in the contest, but the majority of midfielders are nowadays. There’s nothing that really sets him apart from others.

36 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

Are we seriously discussing dumping Spargo at age 22? The kid will improve. 

No he wont! neat disposal, but does not get it anywhere near enough, is not overly quick enough either and doesn't hit the scoreboard enough. More to the point, if he continues to get games in front of Bedford and Chandler, then we will have gone BACKWARDS! IMV!

Edited September 20, 20222 yr by picket fence

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

i hope we're all over this to be honest, although the concern is it's a bit mentally weak by him to request a trade. he was out of the side for the first half of the season due to a shoulder reco, then played some really good footy as he got his fitness back up at vfl level and was rewarded with a spot back in the side between rounds 13-18, he's got a good K/H ratio as a HB gets plenty of rebounds and has good speed. he would've been a lock for 22 games next year given their other HB injuries but has cracked the sads due to one injury riddled year. would be a handy replacement for hibbo out of the back half long term and should be a relatively cheap get at a pick in the third round probably. avg 22 a game last year 5 marks 5 R50s and has a pretty 50:50 contested/uncontested possession statline last year so he's not just a cheap racker-uperer. wonder what our interest was like in his draft year. he was a carins local so i wonder whats brought about the move other than he got grumpy he had to play a bitta twos which was fairly justified given his injury and their form at that stage. also averaged 366m gained this season and 80% DE and 78% KE as well as 3 clearances and 3 intercept possessions a game. im in... clearly

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

No he wont! neat disposal, but does not get it anywhere near enough, is not overly quick enough either and doesn't hit the scoreboard enough. More to the point, if he continues to get games in front of Bedford and Chandler, then we will have gone BACKWARDS! IMV!

The way FORWARDS is not to cut and run on a 22 year-old who vastly improved his game between ‘20 & ‘21. He’s got footy smarts, is a huge tackler for his size and brings pressure. He’s also one of our players who lets me relax when using the ball by foot. You’re right, he does need to get near it more often, hence why there’s room to improve. He deserves another season to do that. 

Edited September 20, 20222 yr by Mel Bourne

13 minutes ago, Turner said:

i hope we're all over this to be honest, although the concern is it's a bit mentally weak by him to request a trade. he was out of the side for the first half of the season due to a shoulder reco, then played some really good footy as he got his fitness back up at vfl level and was rewarded with a spot back in the side between rounds 13-18, he's got a good K/H ratio as a HB gets plenty of rebounds and has good speed. he would've been a lock for 22 games next year given their other HB injuries but has cracked the sads due to one injury riddled year. would be a handy replacement for hibbo out of the back half long term and should be a relatively cheap get at a pick in the third round probably. avg 22 a game last year 5 marks 5 R50s and has a pretty 50:50 contested/uncontested possession statline last year so he's not just a cheap racker-uperer. wonder what our interest was like in his draft year. he was a carins local so i wonder whats brought about the move other than he got grumpy he had to play a bitta twos which was fairly justified given his injury and their form at that stage. also averaged 366m gained this season and 80% DE and 78% KE as well as 3 clearances and 3 intercept possessions a game. im in... clearly

Bowza to Bowesza! I can see it now

Meek is keen to go to Hawthorn.

Freo ruckman keen on Hawks move, another Docker nominates North - https://www.afl.com.au/news/847382

 

1 minute ago, Nascent said:

Meek is keen to go to Hawthorn.

Freo ruckman keen on Hawks move, another Docker nominates North - https://www.afl.com.au/news/847382

 

I watched him in the WAFL on the weekend and was very underwhelmed by him for a big fella.

1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

I’m suggesting that if Goody had been open minded about attacking a bit more, instead of being so uncompromising in changing his game plan, we may have gone further than we did this year.

Sure there’s extenuating circumstances, but after 10-0 only to finish going out in straight sets, some things need to be altered. Whenever we got a decent lead in a game, continuing to attack seemed to be the last thing we wanted to do. Instead, we entered a mode of trying not to lose the game.

Going out in straight sets is certainly the Fagan model.

46 minutes ago, picket fence said:

No he wont! neat disposal, but does not get it anywhere near enough, is not overly quick enough either and doesn't hit the scoreboard enough. More to the point, if he continues to get games in front of Bedford and Chandler, then we will have gone BACKWARDS! IMV!

Doesn’t get enough of it??? What are you talking about.  He played forward pocket / half forward.  Do you expect him to have 25 a week? He is only 22 years old, of course he’ll improve and if you think Chandler and or Bedford are better players than you are kidding yourself.  They are both of similar age and have not shown half the ability of Spargs 

Edited September 20, 20222 yr by Demons11

Spargo would be much more highly rated externally (and on Demonland) if he played for a team that used the ball better and actually utilised him more

He is one of our most naturally talented players, not that his output or consistency necessarily reflects that

Edited September 20, 20222 yr by adonski

6 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Melksham kicked 4 and dominated the grand final, looked a class above everyone else on the ground. If JVR played the game Melksham did on the weekend the demonland servers would be melted in to the ground.

ANB was a 35 touch running machine when he last played VFL.

The idea that either Chandler or Bedford would be significantly upgrades on anyone just isn't true.

Chandler might be a slight upgrade if he can drastically improve his defensive attention, improve his burst off the mark and start dishing quick handballs more often. Might. Bedford probably leaves, but won't have a long career if he decision making and composure don't drastically improve.

For some 'Landers, the servers are the only things that go down. 

17 minutes ago, adonski said:

Spargo would be much more highly rated externally (and on Demonland) if he played for a team that used the ball better and actually utilised him more

He is one of our most naturally talented players, not that his output or consistency necessarily reflects that

Absolutely. Our delivery inside 50 has been appalling for 3 of the last 4 years. And last year Charlie was elite. 

Long bombs into the pocket from inside the centre square help no one in our side. 

Spargo at Geelong or Sydney would be highly valued.

Picket Fence.... more like Paling Fence

Edited September 20, 20222 yr by Stiff Arm

Is there a Demonland thread that @picket fence has not tried to start a Spargo bash-fest?  It's everywhere, it's tiresome.

I love Spargo.

In regards to Spargo and his amazing inside 50 kicks, can someone share exactly how many per game he actually gets? And percentage of those that are actually marked and scored from.

Cos let’s be honest if it’s one a game….

7 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

In regards to Spargo and his amazing inside 50 kicks, can someone share exactly how many per game he actually gets? And percentage of those that are actually marked and scored from.

Cos let’s be honest if it’s one a game….

Here's one I posted a month or so ago- does this help?

Posted August 9

On 8/8/2022 at 9:34 PM, Jjrogan said:

Or alternatively,  why don't we say these guys are pretty ordinary kicks, so how about we try and find a way to get Spargo more of the ball going inside 50?  Wouldnt kill us to give him a run on the ball for 5 minutes a quarter. 

I love stats, and sometimes I completely misinterpret them... in interpreting the image on the screen, have I mucked this up?

 

CPetracca = 124 @ 14% =17.36 at AFL Average 19% = 23.56 = that's -6 marks difference over 20 games...

COliver = 94 @ 13% =12.22 at AFL Average = 17.86 = that's -5.5 marks over 20 games...

M Gawn = 59 @ 12% =7.08 at AFL Average =  11.21 = that's -4 marks over 20 games...

CSpargo = 56 @ 46% =25.76 at AFL Average = 10.64 = that's +15 marks over 20 games... (in the positive)

TSparrow= 54 @ 7% =3.78 at AFL Average = 10.26 = that's -6.5 marks over 20 games...

JJordon= 53 @ 15% =7.95 at AFL Average = 10.07 = that's -2 marks over 20 games...

ELangdon= 50 @ 18% =9  at AFL Average = 9.5 = that's -5. marks over 20 games...

 

Total amount of marks difference negativeve and Spargo's postitive of a 20 game stretch behind AFL average, is 14 marks over a 20 game stretch..  less than .75 of a mark a match.

Edited September 20, 20222 yr by Engorged Onion

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

No he wont! neat disposal, but does not get it anywhere near enough, is not overly quick enough either and doesn't hit the scoreboard enough. More to the point, if he continues to get games in front of Bedford and Chandler, then we will have gone BACKWARDS! IMV!

41 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Doesn’t get enough of it??? What are you talking about.  He played forward pocket / half forward.  Do you expect him to have 25 a week? He is only 22 years old, of course he’ll improve and if you think Chandler and or Bedford are better players than you are kidding yourself.  They are both of similar age and have not shown half the ability of Spargs 

Spargo has the highest footy IQ out of all our smalls. The only knock on him is speed and he can't kick more than 40m.  I'd get him a personal trainer and see if he can't  improve his speed and kicking otherwise he is a regular 22. Prefer him over any other small bar Kossie.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

No he wont! neat disposal, but does not get it anywhere near enough, is not overly quick enough either and doesn't hit the scoreboard enough. More to the point, if he continues to get games in front of Bedford and Chandler, then we will have gone BACKWARDS! IMV!

I'm a fan of Spargo but he does have limitations (lack of size, lack of speed, doesn't get it enough etc).

I like what I've seen from Chandler (at VFL level) too and hope he gets a crack - but don't think he necessarily has Spargo covered in these areas?

Bedford has them both covered for speed but doesn't seem to be as reliable with ball in hand - not sure if its skills or decision making.

Spargo plays more of a HFF role, getting up the ground instead of staying inside 50. That’s his forte and he is good at it, he is a victim of bombing it in over his head. The team either need to make a habit of going through him, or he may as well just stay inside 50 as a crumbing forward. 

Spargo is criminally under-utilised by our players. They either can't see him or don't look. The number of times he's free and positioned himself well to receive the ball to deliver into the forward 50, or is in the forward 50 for a shot at goal, and isn't seen is comical. Have a look at our last game. Brayshaw has collected the ball out of the middle and is running toward the opposition goal. Instead of hand balling to Spargo (4 metres away, on his own and facing the direction we want to kick), Brayshaw, runs past him and kicks over his shoulder - turnover. Grrr!

Christ almighty I apologise he is Gary Ablett Jnr mrk 2!!

Gees there are some easily pleased on this site!!

I will iterate good ball user but.... ah sheeit why do I bother??

 

Is he going as all these comments in the trade & FA Rumours on him should be in another thread just for him.

3 hours ago, Davos said:

I love Spargo.

Must be one of not many