Trade and Free Agency rumours

[Matt 424]

Even if all we do is bring in Grundy, and draft 2 first rounders, I’ll be happy

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

2 hours ago, Mickey said:

I think you'll find you're in the wrong thread for that..

Good call 

[binman 43,719]

4 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Why does everyone want out of Freo?

I wonder of Longmuire is a bit of an acquired taste. 

Reminds me a lot of goody in his early days of senior coaching.

Bit of of a my way or the highway, super intense vibe.

[BDA 22,873]

16 minutes ago, binman said:

I wonder of Longmuire is a bit of an acquired taste. 

Reminds me a lot of goody in his early days of senior coaching.

Bit of of a my way or the highway, super intense vibe.

He marked hogans cards pretty quickly 

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

54 minutes ago, BDA said:

He marked hogans cards pretty quickly 

I think Jesse did that all by himself 

[Demon Disciple 12,269]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

Even if all we do is bring in Grundy, and draft 2 first rounders, I’ll be happy

Yeah no.

Need to bring in another forward and attacking mid/half back with foot skills

[Matt 424]

8 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Yeah no.

Need to bring in another forward and attacking mid/half back with foot skills

Yeah I agree we need a forward, preferably a key forward, and another skilled player. Just haven’t really been linked to anyone else good atm. Maybe we get someone good off the Dockers, although I doubt it

[Mickey 4,731]

2 hours ago, binman said:

I wonder of Longmuire is a bit of an acquired taste. 

Reminds me a lot of goody in his early days of senior coaching.

Bit of of a my way or the highway, super intense vibe.

I wonder if it's Longmuire or Freo list management/footy department as a whole. I thought Lobb wanted out because he's partner wanted to live on the east coast, Logue and Acres both reportedly got lowballed with initial contract offers, plus Logue is being olayed forward when he's really a key back. Plus fitting Jackson's contract in was always going to be a bit difficult

[DeeSpencer 26,071]

1 hour ago, Mickey said:

I wonder if it's Longmuire or Freo list management/footy department as a whole. I thought Lobb wanted out because he's partner wanted to live on the east coast, Logue and Acres both reportedly got lowballed with initial contract offers, plus Logue is being olayed forward when he's really a key back. Plus fitting Jackson's contract in was always going to be a bit difficult

Logue was always the 3rd key defender they just didn’t need. Not much else you can do than play him forward then let him go.

The Acres situation is weird. They rejuvenated him as a player. Got him playing really strong footy on a wing and now they’re losing him for only a few dollars? 

He’s the kind of player that can frustrate a coach but with Mundy retiring and Fyfe under threat of injury Freo shouldn’t be losing experienced mids. Capable wingers are hard to find too.

[Nascent 9,281]

No surprises here with Hill officially requesting a trade to the Pies.

 

Small forward confirms wish to head to Magpies - https://www.afl.com.au/news/846192

 

For a club that's allegedly under salary cap pressure they are pretty active in recruiting players with Frampton and McStay both set to join the Pies as well. Grundy must be a near certainty to be a dee.

[Diamond_Jim 12,627]

32 minutes ago, Nascent said:

For a club that's allegedly under salary cap pressure they are pretty active in recruiting players with Frampton and McStay both set to join the Pies as well. Grundy must be a near certainty to be a dee.

All the more reason to drive a very hard bargain over Grundy

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

All the more reason to drive a very hard bargain over Grundy

Agreed. If we pulled out of the Grundy trade they would struggle to fit in McStay, Frampton and Hill without serious, fast shuffling of their current mix.

Jackson to Freo will determine what we can offer to the Pies for Grundy. Grundy deal agreed upon will determine whether of not Collingwood can fit in those 3

[TRIGON 4,790]

Hypothetical trade: 3 suitors for Bedford, Essendon the keenest (assumption based only on media tittle tattle)  and so we trade him in exchange for their 3 round pick and a swap of 2nd round picks - then on trading their current 2nd round pick  (22/23) for Grundy. Thoughts? Could that get it done? Would it be a fair trade for all parties?

[Diamond_Jim 12,627]

57 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

Agreed. If we pulled out of the Grundy trade they would struggle to fit in McStay, Frampton and Hill without serious, fast shuffling of their current mix.

Jackson to Freo will determine what we can offer to the Pies for Grundy. Grundy deal agreed upon will determine whether of not Collingwood can fit in those 3

Late 2nd and Pies to pay $400k per year for 5 years assuming he is on $1M per year

I'd start at $450k and that's still generous

The simple reality is that Grundy is massively overpaid at $1M x 5. If that contract were negotiated today he would get 4 x 700k at best

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,602]

1 hour ago, TRIGON said:

Hypothetical trade: 3 suitors for Bedford, Essendon the keenest (assumption based only on media tittle tattle)  and so we trade him in exchange for their 3 round pick and a swap of 2nd round picks - then on trading their current 2nd round pick  (22/23) for Grundy. Thoughts? Could that get it done? Would it be a fair trade for all parties?

Nah Bedford looks a real sort in the Casey GF. 

 

[Older demon 2,779]

1 hour ago, TRIGON said:

Hypothetical trade: 3 suitors for Bedford, Essendon the keenest (assumption based only on media tittle tattle)  and so we trade him in exchange for their 3 round pick and a swap of 2nd round picks - then on trading their current 2nd round pick  (22/23) for Grundy. Thoughts? Could that get it done? Would it be a fair trade for all parties?

Sorry cannot agree. Bedford is a keeper and his game at Casey highlights why he is worth persisting with.

[DeeSpencer 26,071]

8 minutes ago, Older demon said:

Sorry cannot agree. Bedford is a keeper and his game at Casey highlights why he is worth persisting with.

Unless we make a move to open a spot in the best 22 for him he’d be crazy not to leave. He’s a Dean Kent level player, would be nice to keep him but it’s time for him to spread his wings.

If we can enough get trade currency to bring in someone useful that’s a good deal for us 

[Clayton van Oliver 1,823]

On 9/10/2022 at 4:13 AM, Tracca said:

I love Melky and what hes done for our club when he came over, unfortunately hes done now and surely wont get another year.

Just here to say thanks for everyone who works with numbers. Can't stand 'em, myself.

[layzie 33,990]

Yep well done numbers people 

[WERRIDEE 5,503]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Unless we make a move to open a spot in the best 22 for him he’d be crazy not to leave. He’s a Dean Kent level player, would be nice to keep him but it’s time for him to spread his wings.

If we can enough get trade currency to bring in someone useful that’s a good deal for us 

Well Spargo had a very ordinary year, so there is a spot there. How long can they persist with Spargo it's been a year. He's a must keep for mine his pace is something we lack. The player that must get a game has been knocking heavily on the door in the last half of the year is Chandler superb in the Grand Final and his last half of the year was just as good. If Melbourne are serious Spargo has to start at Casey and earn his spot again.

[monoccular 17,573]

10 hours ago, Older demon said:

Sorry cannot agree. Bedford is a keeper and his game at Casey highlights why he is worth persisting with.

But he won’t want to stay if he can’t get a game.  Same for Chandler.  Whilst I love Spargo’s pressure, vision and delivery these two offer something extra re flair.  

[spirit of norm smith 16,581]

15 hours ago, Nascent said:

No surprises here with Hill officially requesting a trade to the Pies.

 

Small forward confirms wish to head to Magpies - https://www.afl.com.au/news/846192

 

For a club that's allegedly under salary cap pressure they are pretty active in recruiting players with Frampton and McStay both set to join the Pies as well. Grundy must be a near certainty to be a dee.

?? Pies looking at adding Fiorini (suns) Frampton (crows) Hill (Giants) and Mcstay (Lions). Is that a joke? No real retirements or delistings so where does the extra cash arrive from. Even if they offload Grundy, they’d likely still pay $400k of his $800k contract. Mcstay eats up the $400k alone.  They need $$$ to retain DEGOEY.  As well extra $$$s for other pies as well after this year. The Maths doesn’t add up. 

[Lucifers Hero 40,328]

2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

?? Pies looking at adding Fiorini (suns) Frampton (crows) Hill (Giants) and Mcstay (Lions). Is that a joke? No real retirements or delistings so where does the extra cash arrive from. Even if they offload Grundy, they’d likely still pay $400k of his $800k contract. Mcstay eats up the $400k alone.  They need $$$ to retain DEGOEY.  As well extra $$$s for other pies as well after this year. The Maths doesn’t add up. 

If they trade Oliver Henry as is likely it will save a few hundred K.  Jordan Roughead will retire and that is another few hundred K.

Next year they are free of the $300k they are paying Treloar

Those three plus the many 'journeymen' out of contract this year if not renewed could easily add to about $1.0m altho' some will go to draftees/rookies.

I doubt De Goey will get much more than he currently gets.

It is also likely they will spread the incoming players $ to coincide with the retirement/salary reductions of Pendlebury, Howe, Cox, Sidebottom.

Edited September 19, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[old55 23,687]

9 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Well Spargo had a very ordinary year, so there is a spot there. How long can they persist with Spargo it's been a year. He's a must keep for mine his pace is something we lack. The player that must get a game has been knocking heavily on the door in the last half of the year is Chandler superb in the Grand Final and his last half of the year was just as good. If Melbourne are serious Spargo has to start at Casey and earn his spot again.

This doesn’t sound like a trade and FA rumour to me.

Edited September 18, 2022 by old55

[deelusions from afar 1,861]

20 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Yeah no.

Need to bring in another forward and attacking mid/half back with foot skills

If there's one there I hope we can snag one.

But we might have the players  we need on our list already.  If Grundy is coming in as reported then we would like 2 key forwards (in addition to the 2nd ruck).  This is out of TMac, Brown, Petty and JVR.  If it were me I'd be pencilling in Petty and JVR over summer and see how they go training a full pre-season of this.

In defence we have May, Lever and the last spot to be filled by one of Turner, Smith, Tomlinson and Tmac (if injury free and not first choice forward).

Petty and JVR would take time to develop chemistry but both can take a  mark, have good skills and are good with follow up efforts.

I think in terms of flexibility it wouldn't be a terrible thing to have TMac and Petty both in the side where either could be swung forward or back depending on the game / matchups etc.