CASEY: Rd 14 vs Gold Coast

[WERRIDEE 5,479]

Wow what a team Casey are. I thought Gold Coast would be competitive boy was I wrong. If Southport are our best competition then we have the flag in the bag. I think Geelong could test us we'll just have to wait and see. What a VFL player Mitch. Brown is. Unfortunately he can do the same thing at AFL level.

[Demonland 72,228]

TURNING ON THE HEAT by KC from Casey

The Casey Demons headed north to taste some Queensland sunshine and despite having to leave out skipper Mitch White who was stricken with the flu, they had little trouble in turning on the heat and disposing of finals contender Gold Coast.

The Demons were dominant from the very start with exciting young key forward Jacob Van Rooyen on fire early and Mitch Brown destroying the Suns with his marking and leading despite his erratic kicking for goal. By the time newcomer Ryan Valentine goaled with his first kick at the 20 minute mark of the opening term for Casey’s fifth on the trot, the Suns looked completely demoralised. They were down by 34 points at the first break and then Brown put his kicking boots on after kicking 5 behinds to bag four goals. His half time tally was one point more than the home side’s 4.5 which had them trailing by 55 points. 

And it didn’t end there with the Demons ramming home another eight in the third quarter to underline their complete mastery over an enthusiastic but far less skilled and disorganised opponent. They pulled up a little in the final term providing the crowd with half an hour of junk time before they cantered to a 76 point victory that left them two games and percentage clear of the next best on the VFL ladder.

Apart from the two key forwards, the Demons were well served by the usual suspects in Jake Melksham, Kade Chandler, Luke Dunstan and Jayden Hunt who, based on their respective performances could easily come into most AFL teams. They were a cut above the standard of their opposition in the game played in this paddock outside the main facility at Carrara. 

The Demons have the luxury of being able to nurture their young talent in the VFL. Besides Van Rooyen, Bailey Laurie and rookie Andy Moniz-Wakefield had some special moments during the course of the game.

The Casey contingent blended in well with Jack Bell holding up his end in the ruck in the absence of Majak Daw. Riley Baldi and White’s replacement Roan Steele (two goals) were good again, Jimmy Munro led from the front and Matt Buntine was more than handy. 

Next Saturday sees the team head back home to cooler weather and Casey Fields for a clash against an improving Port Melbourne. 

CASEY DEMONS 7.6.48 12.12.84 20.15.135 21.17.143

GOLD COAST SUNS 2.2.14 4.5.29 8.9.57 9.13.67 

Goals

Casey Demons M Brown 6 J Van Rooyen 3 Chandler Melksham Steele 2 Baker Grey Laurie Moniz-Wakefield Munro Valentine

Gold Coast Suns Oea Sexton 2 Corbett Day Faulkhead Hollands Nicholls

Best

Casey Demons M Brown Van Rooyen Chandler Melksham Bell Baldi

Gold Coast Suns Atkins McPherson Constable Moyle

Statistics

 

Oskar Baker 1 goal 2 behinds 14 kicks 10 handballs 24 disposals 8 marks 2 tackle 102 dream team points

Riley Baldi 1 behind 9 kicks 6 handballs 15 disposals 7 marks 3 tackles 70 dream team points


Jack Bell 5  kicks 5 handballs 10 disposals 1 mark 18 hit outs 48 dream team points

Mitch Brown 6 goals 6 behinds 17 kicks 4 handballs 21 disposals 10 marks 1 tackle 130 dream team points


Matt Buntine 6 kicks 5 handballs 11 disposals 5 marks 1 tackles 42 dream team points

Kade Chandler 2 goals 1 behind 10 kicks 10 handballs 20 disposals 6 marks 6 tackles 101 dream team points

Luke Dunstan 17 kicks 8 handballs 25 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 74 dream team points


Corey Ellison 3 kicks 1 handball 4 disposals 11 dream team points 

George Grey 1 goals 2 behinds 7 kicks 3 handballs 10 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 49 dream team points 

Jayden Hunt 11 kicks 9 handballs 20 disposals 6 marks 2 tackles 79 dream team points


Bailey Laurie 1 goal 1 behind 10 kicks 11 handballs 21 disposals 4 marks 6 tackles 95 dream team points


Judd McVee 6 kicks 9 handballs 15 disposals 4 marks 1 tackle 53 dream team points


Jake Melksham 2 goals 1 behind 15 kicks 6 handballs 21 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 94 dream team points 

Andy Moniz-Wakefield 1 goal 7 kicks 1 handball  8 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 40 dream team points


James Munro 1 goals 4 kicks 5 handballs 15 disposals 3 marks 9 tackles 1 hit out 95 dream team points


Trent Rivers 13 kicks 6 handballs 19 disposals 4 marks 2 tackles 72 dream team points

Fraser Rosman 10 kicks 4 handballs 14 disposals 5 marks 50 dream team points

Deakyn Smith 5 kicks 6 handballs 11 disposals 4 marks 2 handballs 44 dream team points

Roan Steele 2 goals 1 behind 11 kicks 6 handballs 17 disposals 5 marks 1 tackles 77 dream team points

Adam Tomlinson 20 kicks 2 handballs 22 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 79 dream team points


Ryan Valentine 1 goal 2 kicks 6 handballs 8 disposals 2 tackles 1 hit out 31 dream team points

Jacob Van Rooyen 3 goals 1 behind 10 kicks 7 handballs 17 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 4 hit outs 88 dream team points


Taj Woewodin 13 kicks 4 handballs 17 disposals 5 marks 3 tackles 74 dream team points 

[Pates 9,660]

I like what I’m hearing from van Rooyen, how good is it that we’re not desperate to throw someone in and instead allow him to develop at a natural pace. Will only make him hungrier to force his way into the team. 

Casey look like an absolute force this season. 

Quick question on AMW, I was excited by us picking him up, where will he potentially fit into the team in the future? Absolutely no reason to rush him though. 

EDIT would love to see Chandler back in the team if later in the season, even if it’s a rotation to release some tired legs. He was really stiff to be suspended for 2 weeks but it looks like he’s taken it in his stride. 

Edited June 25, 2022 by Pates

[Webber 10,474]

Watched a good amount, and this was a very bizarre low disposal game. Mitch Brown on 20 disposals, but midfielders only in the teens, and yet was a complete domination, everybody played well.  Much sharing! 

[Demon Head 287]

KC. Care to comment on our NGA from last year.

[KC from Casey 7,073]

46 minutes ago, Demon Head said:

KC. Care to comment on our NGA from last year.

Andy Moniz-Wakefield has been terrific all year. He will definitely play some good footy in years to come.

[D4Life 2,476]

9 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Wow what a team Casey are. I thought Gold Coast would be competitive boy was I wrong. If Southport are our best competition then we have the flag in the bag. I think Geelong could test us we'll just have to wait and see. What a VFL player Mitch. Brown is. Unfortunately he can do the same thing at AFL level.

Agree, Mitch Brown dominates at VFL, yet can’t make the leap to AFL. Just highlights the gap between VFL and AFL that he can’t hold down 3rd tall forward position in AFL.

Still having Hunt, Tomlinson, Dunstan and Rivers in the twos provides some depth for our Demons! Even though Rivers has lost form.

JVR will be a chance next year after another pre season. I vaguely recall saying something similar about Bowey last year, next week he got called up and the rest is history!

[whatwhat say what 22,780]

nutzoid that in such a complete demolition job that the possession totals were so low 

[Ugottobekidding 1,188]

34 minutes ago, D4Life said:

Agree, Mitch Brown dominates at VFL, yet can’t make the leap to AFL. Just highlights the gap between VFL and AFL that he can’t hold down 3rd tall forward position in AFL.

Still having Hunt, Tomlinson, Dunstan and Rivers in the twos provides some depth for our Demons! Even though Rivers has lost form.

JVR will be a chance next year after another pre season. I vaguely recall saying something similar about Bowey last year, next week he got called up and the rest is history!

Styles and pace of vfl and AFL are different. Some plays thrive in the AFL system where it is quicker and more free flowing. Some don't.

 

[Dee-licious 1,953]

2 hours ago, Webber said:

Watched a good amount, and this was a very bizarre low disposal game. Mitch Brown on 20 disposals, but midfielders only in the teens, and yet was a complete domination, everybody played well.  Much sharing! 

I thought the same thing too. I’m not sure all the touches were recorded (Rosman was on 0 touches at one point, but had had at least one kick, Hunt had a chain of 3 touches but only given 2). Also it was a long down the line game so not that many touches needed when you are only taking three kicks to get it to the other end. 

[jnrmac 20,104]

19 hours ago, KC from Casey said:

Oskar Baker 1 goal 2 behinds 10 kicks 5 handballs 15 disposals 7 marks 1 tackle 73 dream team points

Riley Baldi 1 behind 6 kicks 4 handballs 10 disposals 5 marks 39 dream team points


Jack Bell 5  kicks 4 handballs 9 disposals 1 mark 18 hit outs 46 dream team points

Mitch Brown 6 goals 6 behinds 17 kicks 3 handballs 20 disposals 9 marks 1 tackle 128 dream team points


Matt Buntine 6 kicks 4 handballs 10 disposals 5 marks 1 tackles 43 dream team points

Kade Chandler 2 goals 1 behind 9 kicks 5 handballs 14 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 71 dream team points

Luke Dunstan 7 kicks 9 handballs 16 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 55 dream team points


Corey Ellison - no statistics 


George Grey 1 goals 2 behinds 5 kicks 5 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 31 dream team points 

Jayden Hunt 9 kicks 8 handballs 17 disposals 5 marks 60 dream team points


Bailey Laurie 1 goal 1 behind 7 kicks 6 handballs 13 disposals 4 marks 1 tackle 56 dream team points


Judd McVee 3 kicks 5 handballs 8 disposals 2 marks 25 dream team points


Jake Melksham 2 goals 1 behind 12 kicks 6 handballs 18 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 85 dream team points 

Andy Moniz-Wakefield 1 goal 7 kicks 1 handball  8 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 37 dream team points


James Munro 1 goals 4 kicks 8 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 1 hit out 53 dream team points


Trent Rivers 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 3 marks 33 dream team points

Fraser Rosman 4 kicks 1 handballs 5 disposals 3 marks 20 dream team points

Deakyn Smith 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 4 marks 36 dream team points

Roan Steele 2 goals 1 behind 9 kicks 4 handballs 13 disposals 4 marks  57 dream team points

Adam Tomlinson 17 kicks 1 handballs 18 disposals 4 marks 1 tackle 65 dream team points


Jacob Van Rooyen 3 goals 7 kicks 5 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 4 hit outs 68 dream team points

Ryan Valentine 1 goals 2 kicks 4 handballs 6 disposals 1 tackle 1 hit out 23 dream team points


Taj Woewodin 7 kicks 1 handballs 8 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 45 dream team points 

Weird Stats In such a dominant display only two of our players scored more than 73 DT points

Maybe it was just a super - even spread of contributors?

[rjay 24,949]

2 hours ago, Webber said:

Watched a good amount, and this was a very bizarre low disposal game. Mitch Brown on 20 disposals, but midfielders only in the teens, and yet was a complete domination, everybody played well.  Much sharing! 

 

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

nutzoid that in such a complete demolition job that the possession totals were so low 

 

14 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Weird Stats In such a dominant display only two of our players scored more than 73 DT points

Maybe it was just a super - even spread of contributors?

I mentioned about stats at VFL a while back now...it's been a trend over the last few years.

I remember when Grimes and Trengove were playing VFL they were racking up 30 plus every game. When ABN first started he was the same but noticed when he went back down a couple of years back his stats had dropped...Now we're lucky to see anyone getting 20 plus.

You would think Dunstan would be a 30 plus player at this level...

[jnrmac 20,104]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

 

 

I mentioned about stats at VFL a while back now...it's been a trend over the last few years.

I remember when Grimes and Trengove were playing VFL they were racking up 30 plus every game. When ABN first started he was the same but noticed when he went back down a couple of years back his stats had dropped...Now we're lucky to see anyone getting 20 plus.

You would think Dunstan would be a 30 plus player at this level...

Ran into a Champion Data guy at the footy the other day. He said there were 6 people doing the stats at the game as well as a team back at the office going over replays and ensuring decisions called during the game were correct.

I suspect the maximum at a VFL game would be 2 although could even be 1 such is the cost.

 

[DeeSpencer 25,719]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

 

I mentioned about stats at VFL a while back now...it's been a trend over the last few years.

I remember when Grimes and Trengove were playing VFL they were racking up 30 plus every game. When ABN first started he was the same but noticed when he went back down a couple of years back his stats had dropped...Now we're lucky to see anyone getting 20 plus.

You would think Dunstan would be a 30 plus player at this level...

I think it’s a credit to the style Casey are playing, low stoppages, quick direct ball movement, good team pressure that their stats are down across the board.

Against a tougher Collingwood team Dunstan had 39, the suns were a training drill in this one.

I’d like to see some of the guys get their hands on the ball more but it’s hard to argue the game plan isn’t working.

[Bystander 903]

Stats at VFL level should be seen as provisional. You get a few missed and misallocated. They get revised the next day or so, I believe.

[DeeZone 9,869]

3 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

nutzoid that in such a complete demolition job that the possession totals were so low 

Agree totally wsws I was expecting to see some huge numbers but a very even spread across the team. Casey are playing great team footy.!!

[Blistering 541]

19 minutes ago, Bystander said:

Stats at VFL level should be seen as provisional. You get a few missed and misallocated. They get revised the next day or so, I believe.

One would hope so. I took a look at the stats for Van Rooyen compared with Mac Andrew and JVR scored 68 Dream Team Points for -

Jacob Van Rooyen 3 goals 7 kicks 5 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 4 hit outs 

Andrew scored 65 Dream Team Points for -

Mac Andrew 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 8 marks 2 tackles

It doesn’t sound right to me because JVR’s contribution looked far superior on the screen and statistically. Andrew spent a fair amount of time on Mitch Brown who beat him convincingly. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,592]

JKH and Stretch used to regularly have 30 possessions in the VFL but they couldn't deliver at the next level. A lot of those possessions were in close handballs.

To my eyes VFL is slower which means it's more prone to packs and there is far less breaking of the lines.

Rivers was strangely down yesterday and didn't see much of the ball. I'd like to see him on a wing or similar for a half or so.

I suppose it's hard to get excited about M Brown kicking a bag as it has little upside. A little surprised to see Melksham in the best players. Game was okay but....

And why did Dunstan see so little of the ball.

All round a strange game

Edited June 26, 2022 by Diamond_Jim

[Cranky Franky 2,062]

28 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

JKH and Stretch used to regularly have 30 possessions in the VFL but they couldn't deliver at the next level. A lot of those possessions were in close handballs.

To my eyes VFL is slower which means it's more prone to packs and there is far less breaking of the lines.

Rivers was strangely down yesterday and didn't see much of the ball. I'd like to see him on a wing or similar for a half or so.

I suppose it's hard to get excited about M Brown kicking a bag as it has little upside. A little surprised to see Melksham in the best players. Game was okay but....

And why did Dunstall see so little of the ball.

All round a strange game

I think your making this up.  I saw no evidence either of those 2 regularly got 30 touches in the VFL. Happy to be proved wrong.

[Demonstone 22,592]

34 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

And why did Dunstall see so little of the ball.

Because he retired in 1998 and is now a rotund 57 year old?

[dazzledavey36 54,972]

On 6/26/2022 at 7:39 AM, Demonland said:

TURNING ON THE HEAT by KC from Casey

The Casey Demons headed north to taste some Queensland sunshine and despite having to leave out skipper Mitch White who was stricken with the flu, they had little trouble in turning on the heat and disposing of finals contender Gold Coast.

The Demons were dominant from the very start with exciting young key forward Jacob Van Rooyen on fire early and Mitch Brown destroying the Suns with his marking and leading despite his erratic kicking for goal. By the time newcomer Ryan Valentine goaled with his first kick at the 20 minute mark of the opening term for Casey’s fifth on the trot, the Suns looked completely demoralised. They were down by 34 points at the first break and then Brown put his kicking boots on after kicking 5 behinds to bag four goals. His half time tally was one point more than the home side’s 4.5 which had them trailing by 55 points. 

And it didn’t end there with the Demons ramming home another eight in the third quarter to underline their complete mastery over an enthusiastic but far less skilled and disorganised opponent. They pulled up a little in the final term providing the crowd with half an hour of junk time before they cantered to a 76 point victory that left them two games and percentage clear of the next best on the VFL ladder.

Apart from the two key forwards, the Demons were well served by the usual suspects in Jake Melksham, Kade Chandler, Luke Dunstan and Jayden Hunt who, based on their respective performances could easily come into most AFL teams. They were a cut above the standard of their opposition in the game played in this paddock outside the main facility at Carrara. 

The Demons have the luxury of being able to nurture their young talent in the VFL. Besides Van Rooyen, Bailey Laurie and rookie Andy Moniz-Wakefield had some special moments during the course of the game.

The Casey contingent blended in well with Jack Bell holding up his end in the ruck in the absence of Majak Daw. Riley Baldi and White’s replacement Roan Steele (two goals) were good again, Jimmy Munro led from the front and Matt Buntine was more than handy. 

Next Saturday sees the team head back home to cooler weather and Casey Fields for a clash against an improving Port Melbourne. 

CASEY DEMONS 7.6.48 12.12.84 20.15.135 21.17.143

GOLD COAST SUNS 2.2.14 4.5.29 8.9.57 9.13.67 

Goals

Casey Demons M Brown 6 J Van Rooyen 3 Chandler Melksham Steele 2 Baker Grey Laurie Moniz-Wakefield Munro Valentine

Gold Coast Suns Oea Sexton 2 Corbett Day Faulkhead Hollands Nicholls

Best

Casey Demons M Brown Van Rooyen Chandler Melksham Bell Baldi

Gold Coast Suns Atkins McPherson Constable Moyle

Statistics

 

Oskar Baker 1 goal 2 behinds 10 kicks 5 handballs 15 disposals 7 marks 1 tackle 73 dream team points

Riley Baldi 1 behind 6 kicks 4 handballs 10 disposals 5 marks 39 dream team points


Jack Bell 5  kicks 4 handballs 9 disposals 1 mark 18 hit outs 46 dream team points

Mitch Brown 6 goals 6 behinds 17 kicks 3 handballs 20 disposals 9 marks 1 tackle 128 dream team points


Matt Buntine 6 kicks 4 handballs 10 disposals 5 marks 1 tackles 43 dream team points

Kade Chandler 2 goals 1 behind 9 kicks 5 handballs 14 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 71 dream team points

Luke Dunstan 7 kicks 9 handballs 16 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 55 dream team points


Corey Ellison - no statistics 


George Grey 1 goals 2 behinds 5 kicks 5 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 31 dream team points 

Jayden Hunt 9 kicks 8 handballs 17 disposals 5 marks 60 dream team points


Bailey Laurie 1 goal 1 behind 7 kicks 6 handballs 13 disposals 4 marks 1 tackle 56 dream team points


Judd McVee 3 kicks 5 handballs 8 disposals 2 marks 25 dream team points


Jake Melksham 2 goals 1 behind 12 kicks 6 handballs 18 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 85 dream team points 

Andy Moniz-Wakefield 1 goal 7 kicks 1 handball  8 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 37 dream team points


James Munro 1 goals 4 kicks 8 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 1 hit out 53 dream team points


Trent Rivers 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 3 marks 33 dream team points

Fraser Rosman 4 kicks 1 handballs 5 disposals 3 marks 20 dream team points

Deakyn Smith 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 4 marks 36 dream team points

Roan Steele 2 goals 1 behind 9 kicks 4 handballs 13 disposals 4 marks  57 dream team points

Adam Tomlinson 17 kicks 1 handballs 18 disposals 4 marks 1 tackle 65 dream team points


Jacob Van Rooyen 3 goals 7 kicks 5 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 4 hit outs 68 dream team points

Ryan Valentine 1 goals 2 kicks 4 handballs 6 disposals 1 tackle 1 hit out 23 dream team points


Taj Woewodin 7 kicks 1 handballs 8 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 45 dream team points 

 

 

On 6/26/2022 at 2:57 PM, Blistering said:

One would hope so. I took a look at the stats for Van Rooyen compared with Mac Andrew and JVR scored 68 Dream Team Points for -

Jacob Van Rooyen 3 goals 7 kicks 5 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 4 hit outs 

Andrew scored 65 Dream Team Points for -

Mac Andrew 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 8 marks 2 tackles

It doesn’t sound right to me because JVR’s contribution looked far superior on the screen and statistically. Andrew spent a fair amount of time on Mitch Brown who beat him convincingly. 

The VFL have finally updated the correct stats for the players.

 

[Demonland 72,228]

On 6/27/2022 at 8:09 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

 

The VFL have finally updated the correct stats for the players.

 

Thanks Dazzle - it’s really disappointing that the statistics available immediately after the game are so inaccurate. In some cases, they were well off the mark.

[Tarax Club 3,918]

6 Adam Tomlinson

5 Mitch Brown

4 Luke Dunstan

3 Kade Chandler

2 Jake Melksham

1 Jayden Hunt

Honourable mentions;

Jacob Van Rooyen

James Munro

Riley Baldi

Taj Woewodin

Judd McVee

Roan Steele

Bailey Laurie

Oscar Baker

Jack Bell

Adjudication;

pass  (just)

Opposition hyperbole watch;

Suns like Giants building up a surplus stock of draft picks that will wither for lack of opportunity. Given Suns 'VFL' side had a definite outnumber of AFL listed players over Casey.

Broadcast;

Commentator had an irritating fixation on Jake Melksham's "gloved right hand". Repeatedly mentioning it when Jake came into the play. Was he running a practice call for his audition to "Golden Gloves"?

Overall Comment;

Given the projection of the Casey Demons this season a number of unlisted players have the potential for promotion to the big league.

[DeeSpencer 25,719]

On 6/26/2022 at 3:44 PM, Cranky Franky said:

I think your making this up.  I saw no evidence either of those 2 regularly got 30 touches in the VFL. Happy to be proved wrong.

Not sure it was week after week but after a slow start in 2017 and then again in 2018 I think JKH was often in the 30's and occasionally 40's.

From what I can remember Stretch was more a mid to high 20's on the wing at Casey

 

[KC from Casey 7,073]

On 6/27/2022 at 8:09 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

 

The VFL have finally updated the correct stats for the players.

 

Thanks also from me to dazzledavey36. It would appear that the delayed updates applied only to the statistics for the Casey team. Until they get their act together we’ve decided not to rely on the stats the VFL/AFL put up immediately after games. The initial figures for some of the club’s better young guns were among the ones that understated their output for the game and it was unfair to them in particular that their day's output was misrepresented.