CHANGES: Rd 12 vs Sydney

[Demon3 2,541]

Im not saying he gets dropped but ben Brown would have to be under some pressure. We played the 2 bottom sides.. his output:

WCE - 6 Disposal - 2 goals 

NORTH - 8 Disposals no goals

FREO - 2 Disposals no goals

Its really not a great stretch for him and it probably reflects teh team, but he was awful on Saturday v freo, uncompetitive, pushed aside, no strong leading pattern.  Three weeks, 2 goals. Not good enough really.

Its not going to get easier for him with a strong Defensive outfit in Sydney, 2 McCartins are in good form and Rampe always plays well v Dees.

[DubDee 26,674]

Salem playing half back I reckon doesn’t need a run at Casey. If he was a mid then he would imo. But the club knows best of course 

We need some composure and class off HB

[DeeSpencer 26,675]

Salem literally said 2 weeks to a reporter last week and was doing basic rehab drills - agility style running drills.

I’m not convinced he needs a VFL game but he needs to complete a block of full training sessions and he hasn’t yet. 

Hopefully we get Langdon and Tom back, but after that it’s Gawn, Petracca, Oliver and Viney playing 4 quarters that will be the biggest ‘in’s’. 

[Travy14 2,142]

Off the back of Goodie's interview on SEN ( said Salem, Harmes, TMac and Langdon are all available for selection)

 

IN                                                OUT

Harmes                                      Melksham

TMac                                          Weid

Langdon                                    Dunstan(Was Sub)

Salem                                        Bedford (Becoms Sub)

[dazzledavey36 56,334]

Here we go....

 

[jnrmac 20,375]

35 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Im not saying he gets dropped but ben Brown would have to be under some pressure. We played the 2 bottom sides.. his output:

WCE - 6 Disposal - 2 goals 

NORTH - 8 Disposals no goals

FREO - 2 Disposals no goals

Its really not a great stretch for him and it probably reflects teh team, but he was awful on Saturday v freo, uncompetitive, pushed aside, no strong leading pattern.  Three weeks, 2 goals. Not good enough really.

Its not going to get easier for him with a strong Defensive outfit in Sydney, 2 McCartins are in good form and Rampe always plays well v Dees.

The way he got bodied out of contests was concerning. I get he is basically a lead up forward but he was restrained by Freo's defence continually. Much of it illegal, yet when Hunt got in a wrestle with Lobb - free kick Lobb.

BB seems woefully out of form

[roy11 4,076]

8 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The way he got bodied out of contests was concerning. I get he is basically a lead up forward but he was restrained by Freo's defence continually. Much of it illegal, yet when Hunt got in a wrestle with Lobb - free kick Lobb.

BB seems woefully out of form

Thought he was a little unlucky the way some of these contests were adjudicated against Freo. At least he didn't smack a bloke like he did in the VFL.

[Demon3 2,541]

19 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The way he got bodied out of contests was concerning. I get he is basically a lead up forward but he was restrained by Freo's defence continually. Much of it illegal, yet when Hunt got in a wrestle with Lobb - free kick Lobb.

BB seems woefully out of form

Yep agree, Horribly out of form. Needs to have a strong second Fwd to help him.

[Demon3 2,541]

2 minutes ago, roy11 said:

Thought he was a little unlucky the way some of these contests were adjudicated against Freo. At least he didn't smack a bloke like he did in the VFL.

All our Fwds led to the same spot all night, 3 big men going against each other, it really was an awful display of forward line set up.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137]

9 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

All our Fwds led to the same spot all night, 3 big men going against each other, it really was an awful display of forward line set up.

Is it time to sack our forward line coach? 🙂 

 

(Emoji added as there's no sarcasm font).

[Demon3 2,541]

3 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Is it time to sack our forward line coach? 🙂 

 

(Emoji added as there's no sarcasm font).

It was an awful night for the forwards.. be surprised if you didn't agree? 

[Gorgoroth 13,220]

1 hour ago, Demon3 said:

Im not saying he gets dropped but ben Brown would have to be under some pressure. We played the 2 bottom sides.. his output:

WCE - 6 Disposal - 2 goals 

NORTH - 8 Disposals no goals

FREO - 2 Disposals no goals

Its really not a great stretch for him and it probably reflects teh team, but he was awful on Saturday v freo, uncompetitive, pushed aside, no strong leading pattern.  Three weeks, 2 goals. Not good enough really.

Its not going to get easier for him with a strong Defensive outfit in Sydney, 2 McCartins are in good form and Rampe always plays well v Dees.

Not great but the ball is being dumped on his head. Watch games earlier in the year or last year and the long kicks went more to space than where he is standing. 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

These are all big inclusions. I think Salem will come back via VFL given lack of match fitness. 
 

Rewatching the game, I think it took Longmuir a half to work out that Trac was not fit and then he tagged Oliver knowing that we had no other clearance specialist. This is how the game turned and why Trac was switched to the forward line. It’s a one off but we do need another player that can come in to that role as Dunstan and Sparrow are just not elite in that area.
 

I think the reason we lost was this simple. Even if May stayed in I’m not sure we could have held the lead but we wouldn’t have lost by 38 at least.

So with a fitter Trac and the inclusions, I’m hoping for a good, solid response this week to put a line through some of the ? starting to develop. 

[chook fowler 19,772]

It is easy to underestimate the contribution Harmes makes to the midfield. He was missed against Freo.

[deejammin' 2,420]

In:

Langdon (hugely important! Spargo and Bedford did their best but he’s irreplaceable), Salem, Harmes, TMac, Tomlinson. 
 

Out:

May (inj), Melksham, Weideman, Dunstan, Bedford (sub)

The question mark is Petty’s ankle/knee. We really can’t afford him to go down. If he does Disco Turner may get his shot? 

[fr_ap 2,566]

48 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

All our Fwds led to the same spot all night, 3 big men going against each other, it really was an awful display of forward line set up.

Happens every time Weid and BB play together. Without fail.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137]

17 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Happens every time Weid and BB play together. Without fail.

This isn't being flippant, but didn't they play well together for Casey? If so, did they understand each other's game better or was it just weaker opposition?

[Stiff Arm 4,420]

Buddy will play, AFL will find a way to make it happen. Nothing is more certain

[monoccular 17,760]

15 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

Buddy will play, AFL will find a way to make it happen. Nothing is more certain

Sorry to say but I think you are right - especially given the history of the tribunal and "star" vs "unknown" players.

[dpositive 1,838]

41 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

This isn't being flippant, but didn't they play well together for Casey? If so, did they understand each other's game better or was it just weaker opposition?

Not flippant at all

i saw them play against Richmond live and several other games on the TV.

They did work well together rolling  around the forward line with BB often on the wing feeding it in to Weid.

They shared the shots on goal, both bought others into the game and can't remember them getting in each other's way.

it led to my comments that Weid really does seem lost and is too static in the forward line. Doesn't attack the ball in case he gets in the way of BB TMac or Fritta.

[Longsufferingnomore 1,691]

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

The way he got bodied out of contests was concerning. I get he is basically a lead up forward but he was restrained by Freo's defence continually. Much of it illegal, yet when Hunt got in a wrestle with Lobb - free kick Lobb.

BB seems woefully out of form

How they adjudicate holding of each other's arms. That should have been play on.

[Flower Magic 776]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Here we go....

 

I hate to say "I told you so" but I told you so, and predicted he'd kick 7 this week. Franklin v Tomlinson? I'm already having nightmares about that match up.

[Webber 10,650]

13 minutes ago, Longsufferingnomore said:

How they adjudicate holding of each other's arms. That should have been play on.

Hunt was in front of him…..ridiculous free-kick. ‘Play on’ every day. If the marking duels were adjudicated around the ground like they are in forward 50, free-kicks would be quadrupled. 

[Billy 2,575]

3 hours ago, Demon3 said:

Im not saying he gets dropped but ben Brown would have to be under some pressure. We played the 2 bottom sides.. his output:

WCE - 6 Disposal - 2 goals 

NORTH - 8 Disposals no goals

FREO - 2 Disposals no goals

Its really not a great stretch for him and it probably reflects teh team, but he was awful on Saturday v freo, uncompetitive, pushed aside, no strong leading pattern.  Three weeks, 2 goals. Not good enough really.

Its not going to get easier for him with a strong Defensive outfit in Sydney, 2 McCartins are in good form and Rampe always plays well v Dees.

He should get dropped that’s a woeful output, I’ve lost patience with Brown & the Weid, they show no physicality, hardly get to the contest & don’t mark the ball or get it at ground level

Tmac & Mitch Brown for me

[Demon3 2,541]

29 minutes ago, Billy said:

He should get dropped that’s a woeful output, I’ve lost patience with Brown & the Weid, they show no physicality, hardly get to the contest & don’t mark the ball or get it at ground level

Tmac & Mitch Brown for me

Think you give him another go.. but he is on notice for sure. I think he plays better with Tom Mc in the team for some reason. Think Tom moves around a bit more and moves up teh ground, so BB has more room and is more 1 on 1 than big pack marking set up.