Jump to content

Christian Salem - Straight back to the backline or something different?

Vipercrunch
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

Posted

I heard part of an interview on the weekend with someone from the Suns coaching group (it could have been Stuart Dew, but I missed the start).  He was asked about how the Suns wanted to use Jack Lukosius.  The response was that they wanted the best ball users in the front half/third of the ground.

It got me thinking about where we should play Salem when he returns.  The obvious answer is to plug him straight back into the backline and get on with it, but I wonder if he could be better used in the front half.

Reasons for shifting Salem to the front half:

  • Decent forward entries have been an ongoing and frustrating struggle of ours.  Spargo is very good at it, but it is still hit and miss with many others.  I reckon our forwards would love Salem delivering the ball to them.
  • Salem was so important in the backline because he is a great ball user and our backline was really lacking in this area.  Jake Bowey has now arrived on the scene and is a great ball user, as is Brayshaw who has slotted in back there to great affect this year while JJ stepped up on the wing.  Do we still need Salem back there?
  • Our backline has performed in Salem's absence.  We are still keeping the opposition's score low, and have rebounded well.

Reasons against shifting Salem to the front half:

  • Why change a premiership winning role?
  • If he was to play forward, you'd think it would be in the place of Spargo, Kozzy or Nibbler (ANB).  We hear all the time from the coaches that the main focus of those players is to put pressure of the ball coming out of our forwardline to create forward half turnovers.  Can he provide the forward half pressure required? 
  • Salem seems to get banged up a bit.  There is a theory (or perhaps myth) that players are somehow less likely to get hurt in collisions when they play as a backman than a forward. Supposedly backman need to be more mindful on where the opposition players are at all times, which lessens the possibility of collisions, where forwards are more focused on the ball so they get hit more often.  It was meant to be why playing Paddy McCartin as a backman was going to be safer for him.  We all know how that ended up....

I think the club needs to always look for areas to improve.  Just because something worked, doesn't mean it can't be improved on.

Edited by Vipercrunch

  • Quote
    • Like 7
     
    5 minutes ago, Vipercrunch said:

    I heard part of an interview on the weekend with someone from the Suns coaching group (it could have been Stuart Dew, but I missed the start).  He was asked about how the Suns wanted to use Jack Lukosius.  The response was that they wanted the best ball users in the front half/third of the ground.

    It got me thinking about where we should play Salem when he returns.  The obvious answer is to plug him straight back into the backline and get on with it, but I wonder if he could be better used in the front half.

    Reasons for shifting Salem to the front half:

    • Decent forward entries have been an ongoing and frustrating struggle of ours.  Spargo is very good at it, but it is still hit and miss with many others.  I reckon our forwards would love Salem delivering the ball to them.
    • Salem was so important in the backline because he is a great ball user and our backline was really lacking in this area.  Jake Bowey has now arrived on the scene and is a great ball user, as is Brayshaw who has slotted in back there to great affect this year while JJ stepped up on the wing.  Do we still need Salem back there?
    • Our backline has performed in Salem's absence.  We are still keeping the opposition's score low, and have rebounded well.

    Reasons against shifting Salem to the front half:

    • Why change a premiership winning role?
    • If he was to play forward, you'd think it would be in the place of Spargo, Kozzy or Nibbler (ANB).  We hear all the time from the coaches that the main focus of those players is to put pressure of the ball coming out of our forwardline to create forward half turnovers.  Can he provide the forward half pressure required? 
    • Salem seems to get banged up a bit.  There is a theory (or perhaps myth) that players are somehow less likely to get hurt in collisions when they play as a backman than a forward. Supposedly backman need to be more mindful on where the opposition players are at all times, which lessens the possibility of collisions, where forwards are more focused on the ball so they get hit more often.  It was meant to be why playing Paddy McCartin as a backman was going to be safer for him.  We all know how that ended up....

    I think the club needs to always look for areas to improve.  Just because something worked, doesn't mean it can't be improved on.

    Are you suggesting Bowey can take Salem's place in the half backline?

    I do like Bowey's use of the ball but at the same time I feel Salem is more damaging for our transitions to our forward half.

    Can't make up my mind on this idea.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Long term I think this could have merit, but most major changes like this require at least a summer or decent training block to implement. No point him coming back up forward, not really knowing his role and losing confidence. 

    What he could do is actually play as a higher defender - so he gets more chances to deliver into the forward 50. Somewhere between the wing and half back? I know we've nearly got an attacking winger (Langdon) and defensive winger (Brayshaw or JJ) at the moment, and he doesn't need to fill their role, but have a licensee to run more freely forward to do that delivery. No idea what that means for the overall team set up, and if that would cost us too much defensively?? 

  • Quote
    • Like 2
     

    For me, Salem has really made that half back position his own, he's still improving all the time in the role and is becoming one of the very best in the Business in terms of that half back general type player. 

    he walks right back into that role, and Bowey stays as well. i'd say it's Hunt and Rivers fighting for their spots against Hibberd 

    Edited by Dwight Schrute

  • Quote
    • Like 7
    • Author
    5 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

    Are you suggesting Bowey can take Salem's place in the half backline?

    I do like Bowey's use of the ball but at the same time I feel Salem is more damaging for our transitions to our forward half.

    Can't make up my mind on this idea.

    Did Brayshaw step straight into Salems role, or did Bowey do Salem's role while someone else (Brayshaw/Hunt/others) cover Bowey's?  Good chance it was a mixture of all of that. We certainly haven't seemed to miss a beat, especially considering Salem wasn't the only premiership backline player missing. 

  • Quote
    • Like 3

    2 minutes ago, Vipercrunch said:

    Did Brayshaw step straight into Salems role, or did Bowey do Salem's role while someone else (Brayshaw/Hunt/others) cover Bowey's?  Good chance it was a mixture of all of that. We certainly haven't seemed to miss a beat, especially considering Salem wasn't the only premiership backline player missing. 

    It appears to be a bit of a hybrid role, Brayshaw is definitely covering the defensive hole plugging elements of the role, and he's very good at that. but there also seems to be an effort to get the ball into Boweys hands where possible. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Love the idea of Salem up forward but as someone said earlier to shift him mid year could be a tricky proposition. 

    He’s not quick but his tackling is excellent, when he tackles someone they go down hard!

    Hypothetically if he was to return during a time where we lack some class up forward it could be worth a crack. 

  • Quote
    • Like 3
     

    If Langdon keeps getting successfully tagged we might need to shift him back for a bit and put Bowey on the wing. Tagging a half back is almost impossible in a zone defence. If that happens, Salem would be needed down back to be the kicker to find a mark and release pressure.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Half back flank. We are a defensive side and Salem has the best foot disposal skills coming out of the backline.

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    • Love 1

    Brayshaw has become a backline weapon a la Hodge for Hawthorn and Bowey, Hunt have become runners whilst Salem has been injured.

    I would play Salem on the wing instead of Jordan.

    Yes Rivers form has been up and down but the pre-season was interupted by injury and has just been pitchforked back into side because our backline depth was tested this year.

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    56 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

    For me, Salem has really made that half back position his own, he's still improving all the time in the role and is becoming one of the very best in the Business in terms of that half back general type player. 

    he walks right back into that role, and Bowey stays as well. i'd say it's Hunt and Rivers fighting for their spots against Hibberd 

    Is probably out most important cog in the back half.

  • Quote
    • Like 2

    30 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

    Bradshaw has done very well filling in down back, but Salem does it better, straight back.

    Who? 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Haha 1

    There is more to Salem's role at half back, than merely being a great kick. He is a whole lot tougher and stronger when tackling or body-to-body than most people realise (Hunt is the same). As well as initiating breath-taking 45 degree angle kicks or delivering into the corridor, he stops a lot of plays. 

    He goes straight back to his half back role after a 2/3 or 3/4 game at Casey first. Rivers moves out for him.

  • Quote
    • Like 5

    Sorry JJ & Bedford. Salem, Brayshaw & Jordan to resume their premiership roles which puts Bedford back in the twos

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Right now Brayshaw is clearly playing the role as he acts as the pressure release kick on the HBF. 

    Rivers and Bowey are sharing the 5th defender/rebounding role - with Hunt acting as resident lockdown defender. 

     

    Brayshaw back to the wing

    Jordan back to the HF/mid rotation

    Bowey back to being the 5th defender

    Rivers out 

  • Quote

    Comes straight back to the backline. Salem's quality decision making and delivery from half back/midfield are attacking weapons that should be retained for the benefit of the team. He is also an excellent one on one defender and, increasingly, a solid contested mark. Hard to pick who is to make way. Rivers, Hunt and Bowey have all performed well from half back.

    I can see a backline comprising May, Lever, Petty and perhaps Smith as talls with Salem, Rivers, Bowey and Hunt as smalls (8). Eight places does not work unless any can be accommodated in the midfield which is already crowded with Gawn, Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Langdon, Brayshaw, ANB, Jordon and Sparrow (9). Together with a forward line with Fritsch, Brown, McDonald, Weideman, Spargo, Pickett and Jackson (7) there are 24 selections. Which 2 miss out?

    I am glad it is not me to have to make the decision.  But how fortunate are we?

    Edited by tiers
    Fat fingers.

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    • Thanks 1
    32 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

    Who? 

    He plays for the same team as Jordan, Wiedermann, Thomlinson and Bowie. 

    And you call yourself a Melbourne fan.  :blink:

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Haha 6
     
    3 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

    He plays for the same team as Jordan, Wiedermann, Thomlinson and Bowie. 

    And you call yourself a Melbourne fan.  :blink:

    Just couldn't resist eh?

  • Quote
    • Haha 4

    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • NON-MFC: Round 13

      Follow all the action from every Round 13 clash excluding the Dees as the 2025 AFL Premiership Season rolls on. With Melbourne playing in the final match of the round on King's Birthday, all eyes turn to the rest of the competition. Who are you tipping to win? And more importantly, which results best serve the Demons’ finals aspirations? Join the discussion and keep track of the matches that could shape the ladder and impact our run to September.

        • Thanks
      • 37 replies
      Demonland

    • PREVIEW: Collingwood

      Having convincingly defeated last year’s premier and decisively outplayed the runner-up with 8.2 in the final quarter, nothing epitomized the Melbourne Football Club’s performance more than its 1.12 final half, particularly the eight consecutive behinds in the last term, against a struggling St Kilda team in the midst of a dismal losing streak. Just when stability and consistency were anticipated within the Demon ranks, they delivered a quintessential performance marked by instability and ill-conceived decisions, with the most striking aspect being their inaccuracy in kicking for goal, which suggested a lack of preparation (instead of sleeping in their hotel in Alice, were they having a night on the turps) rather than a well-rested team. Let’s face it - this kicking disease that makes them look like raw amateurs is becoming a millstone around the team’s neck.

        • Thanks
      • 1 reply
      Demonland

    • CASEY: Sydney

      The Casey Demons were always expected to emerge victorious in their matchup against the lowly-ranked Sydney Swans at picturesque Tramway Oval, situated in the shadows of the SCG in Moore Park. They dominated the proceedings in the opening two and a half quarters of the game but had little to show for it. This was primarily due to their own sloppy errors in a low-standard game that produced a number of crowded mauls reminiscent of the rugby game popular in old Sydney Town. However, when the Swans tired, as teams often do when they turn games into ugly defensive contests, Casey lifted the standard of its own play and … it was off to the races. Not to nearby Randwick but to a different race with an objective of piling on goal after goal on the way to a mammoth victory. At the 25-minute mark of the third quarter, the Demons held a slender 14-point lead over the Swans, who are ahead on the ladder of only the previous week's opposition, the ailing Bullants. Forty minutes later, they had more than fully compensated for the sloppiness of their earlier play with a decisive 94-point victory, that culminated in a rousing finish which yielded thirteen unanswered goals. Kicks hit their targets, the ball found itself going through the middle and every player made a contribution.

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 1 reply
      Demonland

    • REPORT: St. Kilda

      Hands up if you thought, like me, at half-time in yesterday’s game at TIO Traeger Park, Alice Springs that Melbourne’s disposal around the ground and, in particular, its kicking inaccuracy in front of the goals couldn’t get any worse. Well, it did. And what’s even more damning for the Melbourne Football Club is that the game against St Kilda and its resurgence from the bottomless pit of its miserable start to the season wasn’t just lost through poor conversion for goal but rather in the 15 minutes when the entire team went into a slumber and was mugged by the out-of-form Saints. Their six goals two behinds (one goal less than the Demons managed for the whole game) weaved a path of destruction from which they were unable to recover. Ross Lyon’s astute use of pressure to contain the situation once they had asserted their grip on the game, and Melbourne’s self-destructive wastefulness, assured that outcome. The old adage about the insanity of repeatedly doing something and expecting a different result, was out there. Two years ago, the score line in Melbourne’s loss to the Giants at this same ground was 5 goals 15 behinds - a ratio of one goal per four scoring shots - was perfectly replicated with yesterday’s 7 goals 21 behinds. 
      This has been going on for a while and opens up a number of questions. I’ll put forward a few that come to mind from this performance. The obvious first question is whether the club can find a suitable coach to instruct players on proper kicking techniques or is this a skill that can no longer be developed at this stage of the development of our playing group? Another concern is the team's ability to counter an opponent's dominance during a run on as exemplified by the Saints in the first quarter. Did the Demons underestimate their opponents, considering St Kilda's goals during this period were scored by relatively unknown forwards? Furthermore, given the modest attendance of 6,721 at TIO Traeger Park and the team's poor past performances at this venue, is it prudent to prioritize financial gain over potentially sacrificing valuable premiership points by relinquishing home ground advantage, notwithstanding the cultural significance of the team's connection to the Red Centre? 

        • Thanks
      • 4 replies
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Collingwood

      After a disappointing loss in Alice Springs the Demons return to the MCG to take on the Magpies in the annual King's Birthday Big Freeze for MND game. Who comes in and who goes out?

        • Thanks
      • 248 replies
      Demonland

    • PODCAST: St. Kilda

      The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 2nd June @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we have a chat with former Demon ruckman Jeff White about his YouTube channel First Use where he dissects ruck setups and contests. We'll then discuss the Dees disappointing loss to the Saints in Alice Springs.
      Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
      Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

        • Thanks
      • 47 replies
      Demonland
    View All