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On 10/20/2021 at 3:22 AM, faultydet said:

Yeah, I agree, but I don't see Weid as a recruit by our current crop..

They'd see right through Weid. 

I remember Taylor saying that Sam was taken as a project.  At the time we had Watts and Hogan.  No one could have foreseen that the latter two would be gone within a few years.  Not saying Sam will make it but the club had good reasons for taking him at the time.

Also, at the time the club had filled its quota of on-ballers:  Petracca, Brayshaw, Salem, Tyson, Oliver, ANB, Harmes, Hunt, Stretch (with Viney and Jones already at the club) and we were ready to start taking tall players to develop.  So Sam was it.

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    On 10/8/2021 at 8:56 AM, adonski said:

    Fritsch manages

    He is not technically a KP forward but a floating half forward and pocket as well.

    Really  he is the best forward in a traditional sense as he has all the skills also.

    Long May he play on our forward line!! 

     

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    2 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

     Not saying Sam will make it 

    Well I am. 

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    29 minutes ago, godees said:

    Weid will play more games than TMac next year

    I hope you're right TBH. Weid's problems seem to be mostly between the ears, I reckon if he can string together some early-season form it will hold him in good stead for the rest of the year.

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    10 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    I remember Taylor saying that Sam was taken as a project.  At the time we had Watts and Hogan.  No one could have foreseen that the latter two would be gone within a few years.  Not saying Sam will make it but the club had good reasons for taking him at the time.

    Also, at the time the club had filled its quota of on-ballers:  Petracca, Brayshaw, Salem, Tyson, Oliver, ANB, Harmes, Hunt, Stretch (with Viney and Jones already at the club) and we were ready to start taking tall players to develop.  So Sam was it.

    you don't take project players at pick 9... 

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    2 minutes ago, Turner said:

    you don't take project players at pick 9... 

    Laughs in Mac Andrew

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    On 11/5/2021 at 8:18 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

    I remember Taylor saying that Sam was taken as a project.  At the time we had Watts and Hogan.  No one could have foreseen that the latter two would be gone within a few years.  Not saying Sam will make it but the club had good reasons for taking him at the time.

    Also, at the time the club had filled its quota of on-ballers:  Petracca, Brayshaw, Salem, Tyson, Oliver, ANB, Harmes, Hunt, Stretch (with Viney and Jones already at the club) and we were ready to start taking tall players to develop.  So Sam was it.

    We had given up on Watts as a forward before 2015. He wouldn't have been a factor.

    Hogan was incredible in his rising star year. Our other key forward was an aging Chris Dawes with support from Pederson.

    We knew we needed a long term partner for Hogan and picked up Weid and Liam Hulett with pick 46.

    A key forward at pick 7 made sense with a few good prospects available in Weid, Curnow and McKay.

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    I like the idea of another young KPB as the May retirement plan. I still hold hopes for Turner too, but we'll have to see on that one. 

    When you look at our young defensive crop there's Petty, Rivers, Bowey and then Lever at 25. May has at most 4 or 5 years left and given his hammy issues, I doubt anywhere near that long, so we need to be looking at contingencies.

    I'd much prefer we were strategic about list needs for 5+ years from now this year, rather than in 2-3 years going to the FA pool to keep us going. As we've seen at Geelong and to a lesser extent Hawthorn, it leaves you with a very long rebuild, with middle of the road first rounders to build a core around.

    So if we can get another Harry Petty and JVR fits that bill it's a no brainer.

    We can worry about replenishing elite mids down the line and I'd back our list management team to be clever in acquiring the necessary capital to get a look at the elite talent.

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    If JT team thinks that he is the best available at our pick then we go for him, otherwise we go with the best available whether he is a mid or KP player.

    We are the premiers and we can take development time with our selections and don't have to throw the young players to the wolves before they are ready a la Jack Watts.

    Goodwin, Yze and Williams have time to develop players because there is no desperation to win a premiership.

    The key to winning more premierships is make sure that the players are not selfish, complacent and strive to get better still, plus luck with injuries.

    I looked at the AFL new player limits 42 + 2 B rookies which will be a disaster if teams have lots of injuries, the Western Bulldogs used the most players last year 41 which means player development will be a premium for clubs.

    I remember 1981 at the MFC the team used close to 46 players for the season it got so bad that the reserves fielded 21 players + a topup person signed on the day of the match.

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    41 minutes ago, durango said:

    If JT team thinks that he is the best available at our pick then we go for him, otherwise we go with the best available whether he is a mid or KP player.

    We are the premiers and we can take development time with our selections and don't have to throw the young players to the wolves before they are ready a la Jack Watts.

    Goodwin, Yze and Williams have time to develop players because there is no desperation to win a premiership.

    Totally agree. It’s Best Available at pick 17. No matter who that is (JVR, Chesser, Sinn, Sonsie, Wilmot or whoever) then we trust in JT.  JT is a legend and is one of the key men behind our premiership.  I’d like to see another youngster with skill and pace added to the midfielder but just that’s me. JVR would also be a handy young key position player to develop with time on our side. 

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    9 hours ago, A F said:

    I like the idea of another young KPB as the May retirement plan. I still hold hopes for Turner too, but we'll have to see on that one. 

    When you look at our young defensive crop there's Petty, Rivers, Bowey and then Lever at 25. May has at most 4 or 5 years left and given his hammy issues, I doubt anywhere near that long, so we need to be looking at contingencies.

    I'd much prefer we were strategic about list needs for 5+ years from now this year, rather than in 2-3 years going to the FA pool to keep us going. As we've seen at Geelong and to a lesser extent Hawthorn, it leaves you with a very long rebuild, with middle of the road first rounders to build a core around.

    So if we can get another Harry Petty and JVR fits that bill it's a no brainer.

    We can worry about replenishing elite mids down the line and I'd back our list management team to be clever in acquiring the necessary capital to get a look at the elite talent.

    I have way more concerns about replacing Ben Brown and Tmac than worrying about May's eventual replacement. 

    All of Tmac, Brown and Weid have a history of injuries which could effect the next couple of seasons. 

    If we go for JVR, I hope he is developed as a fwd.

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    On 11/5/2021 at 7:10 PM, Turner said:

    you don't take project players at pick 9... 

    Fair call.  Perhaps 'project' wasn't the right word.  More that he was taken knowing he would take time to develop.  Having said that he hasn't developed at the rate most of us would like but the club still has faith.  I reckon he might still get there; not the star KPF we would hope for from a pick 9 but a very good contributor to our fwd line.  .  

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    • Whispering_Jack changed the title to Welcome to Demonland - Jacob Van Rooyen

    TMac/BB replacement? Longer term thinking.

     

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    Any highlights?

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    Might have to change my name to rooy11

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    Excellent selection plays like Josh Bruce! Astute Taylor on money. Also, anyone notice full complement of recruiting staff at least 10 where some clubs have as little as 3

    Just sets apart successful clubs vs Shamateurs🤩

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