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Hugh Greenwood jumps ship to North Melbourne

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I think this is great event to stop clubs screwing around with players.  They'll think twice about doing that with a required player as the ice has been broken on how to pinch these players. 

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    6 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

    Gold Coast are the worst run team by a country mile they just should pack it in.

    Basket case Shamateurs!

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    4 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

    Didn’t we do a similar thing last year when we dropped James Jordon off the senior list and then rookied him. It sounded like a smart move to enable us to have an extra pick in the main draft but could it also have backfired?

    No, because of the uncertainty of the  Covid situation back then, the AFL put in a rule that clubs could move players to the rookie list from the senior list.  That rule has since been removed.

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    7 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

    I'd be livid if I were a GC supporter.

    I mean, for one, I'd have had no finals in 11 years.

    But to take one of the club's better players and turf him because list management is so poor you couldn't find the minimum three picks without having to delist him, only to have a rival take him for free, is a failure of the highest order.

    It's a fine ball with the Pies scenario last season with Adam Treloar being dumped ( for his salary overload of approx $900,000) which bit them on the bum as they paid off $300,000 to the Dogs not for ONE season but 3 it appears. Adding insult was a disgraceful propaganda beat up highlighted by his Coach ( of a combined 28 years playing and coaching without an AFL flag to his name) advising him that he was "disliked " ( or was it hated?)  by his teammates.

    All of this was a mastermind of someone at  the Pies who obviously had to dream up the "Great Big Fire Sale Salary Dump of 2020". 

    Is it any wonder the Club finished with a paltry 6 wins and 17th on the AFL ladder with a credibility rating of ZERO in 2021!!!

     We now move on to the perennially lowly Gold Coast Suns who were just caught napping ( asleep on the job like  their players after about Round 7 each year) with there panse down. To be honest this trick is older than Tony Cochrane by taking a player off their list Recruiting another and then reinstating said player on the Rookie list. But good on Kangaroos last on the 2021 ladder for footy  but not for brain power as both ex Crows Noble the Coach and Greenwood the player fooled  the footy "brains" at Metricon with a pre Draft heist to be savoured. 

    When evaluated I reckon the Suns were just plain DUMB but the PIes to be in their position were just plain DUMBER.

    Even the AFL rules makers can't protect some Clubs against themselves!

    But it does justify the average fans reluctance to embrace the series of rules changes for the playing of games that seem to be rushed into every pre season by an AFL administrator desperate to leave a big blob on his CV for his grandchildren  to be proud of! 

    The off season ( or Pre season) just gets weirder by the day but the AFL without doubt loves any publicity bad or otherwise!

    Can't wait for the Draft.
     

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    10 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

    All a bit strange this. A few weeks ago the Suns were struggling with their salary cap to the point where they tried desperately to ditch a player who ended up not wanting to leave.

    Now, they've managed to ditch a player to North Melbourne which is taking up the Suns' contractual obligations.

    I'm not a conspiracy theorist but ...

    Hmmm …

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    Edited by Chelly

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    I think they changed the regulations from last year the where the clubs could move players to the rookie list from the main list and opposition clubs could not get them but players like James Jordan are UFA when their contract expires.

    Now you have to delst the player and redraft him to the rookie list.

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    10 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

    I'd be livid if I were a GC supporter.

    you would be livid if you were the GC supporter

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    4 hours ago, Chelly said:

    Hmmm …

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    I know it looks like a mistake made by the GC...but is it? Freeing up salary cap space by losing a 29/30 year old who's not going to be there when GC is challenging for a flag doesn't seem like much of a "mistake" to me. On the other hand, player relationship management is also important and if Greenwood is leaving because of the way he was treated, that doesn't send a positive message to the rest of the list. 

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    9 hours ago, IvanBartul13 said:

    No, because of the uncertainty of the  Covid situation back then, the AFL put in a rule that clubs could move players to the rookie list from the senior list.  That rule has since been removed.

    Correct but Melbourne and all clubs have done it before. Usually player is re-drafted onto the rookie list.

    1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    I know it looks like a mistake made by the GC...but is it? Freeing up salary cap space by losing a 29/30 year old who's not going to be there when GC is challenging for a flag doesn't seem like much of a "mistake" to me. On the other hand, player relationship management is also important and if Greenwood is leaving because of the way he was treated, that doesn't send a positive message to the rest of the list. 

    The irony is Nth didn't want to give a 28yo a 4 year deal coming off a knee injury that played in a position of need last season but now have given a 30yo a 3 year deal coming off a knee injury that plays in a position of surplus.

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    A well orchestrated money dump by GC, they have no process in maintaining players and cap structure whatsoever.

    Clearing the decks to make room for Lukosius, King and Ranking but are they going to stay?

    Is there enough incentive to play in front of a Roaring Gold Coast Dj manufacturering the crowd atmosphere?

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    36 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

    Correct but Melbourne and all clubs have done it before. Usually player is re-drafted onto the rookie list.

    Have we de-listed 'in-contract' players like North (Polec redraft as a rookie) and GCS (Greenwood to redraft senior list).

    Usually the delist-rookie strategy is to give a player a lifeline.  

    In this day of Delisted Free Agents delist-redraft is a risky strategy as GCS just discovered.

    imv if a club deists an in-contract player they should pay them out and take the hit in their sal cap.  Then redraft them.  That will quickly stop these types of list manoeuvres.

    Edited by Lucifers Hero

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    50 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Have we de-listed 'in-contract' players like North (Polec redraft as a rookie) and GCS (Greenwood to redraft senior list).

    Usually the delist-rookie strategy is to give a player a lifeline.  

    In this day of Delisted Free Agents delist-redraft is a risky strategy as GCS just discovered.

    imv if a club deists an in-contract player they should pay them out and take the hit in their sal cap.  Then redraft them.  That will quickly stop these types of list manoeuvres.

    Or (1) just get rid of the rookie list altogether, or (2) make it a true "rookie list" and only allow players onto it who have not previously been drafted.

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    1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Have we de-listed 'in-contract' players like North (Polec redraft as a rookie) and GCS (Greenwood to redraft senior list).

    Usually the delist-rookie strategy is to give a player a lifeline.  

    In this day of Delisted Free Agents delist-redraft is a risky strategy as GCS just discovered.

    imv if a club deists an in-contract player they should pay them out and take the hit in their sal cap.  Then redraft them.  That will quickly stop these types of list manoeuvres.

    Yeah fair point, Id have to go back and have a look but it may be the key difference, however the principle is the same.

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    19 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

    Gold Coast are the worst run team by a country mile they just should pack it in.

    Rather have a Tassy team in the comp than GC Suns.

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    46 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

    Rather have a Tassy team in the comp than GC Suns.

    I'd rather have a Tassie team than Collingwood, Carlton or Essendon in the comp!

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    9 hours ago, Chelly said:

    Hmmm …

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    Reported that kangars offered 500k/yr for 2 years with a trigger.

    Greenwood aint worth 500k. he's a tackling machine who plays AFL like rugby. Little skill but leaves everything on the park.

    Yawn.

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    2 hours ago, Mono said:

    Reported that kangars offered 500k/yr for 2 years with a trigger.

    Greenwood aint worth 500k. he's a tackling machine who plays AFL like rugby. Little skill but leaves everything on the park.

    Yawn.

    he will help 'protect' north's next generation of midfield talent, and gives them added depth

    what's the bet gc17 will lose at least two of the three key players ooc at the end of 2022 - king, lukosious, and rankine

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    3 hours ago, grazman said:

    I'd rather have a Tassie team than Collingwood, Carlton or Essendon in the comp!

    Nicely minimised and fully agree. In the chase for brevity, did you omit/leave out Geelong?

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    This is a classic case of "accidentally on purpose". No way were GC blindsided, Mark Evans is overseeing this and he is as shrewd as anyone going around. This is externally saying "we will delist you to re-list you", while internally hoping "(please, please, please, someone take him!!!!". 

    I'm glad he is happy and I actually rate him fairly high, but I personally hate this kind of reading period BS.

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    19 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    I know it looks like a mistake made by the GC...but is it? Freeing up salary cap space by losing a 29/30 year old who's not going to be there when GC is challenging for a flag doesn't seem like much of a "mistake" to me. On the other hand, player relationship management is also important and if Greenwood is leaving because of the way he was treated, that doesn't send a positive message to the rest of the list. 

    As I see it by the time GCS Challenge for the flag we would have terrafirmers colonising Mars! Wont happen in my great great great grandchildrens lifetime! Or anytime soon. Would have rather the AFL invest in Tasmania! Hell even New Zealand could put together a better team of Rugby players than what GCS have dished up year after year!

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    On 11/16/2021 at 7:13 AM, Chelly said:

    Hmmm …

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    And Touk Miller just announces a 5 year contract extension... 

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    22 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Have we de-listed 'in-contract' players like North (Polec redraft as a rookie) and GCS (Greenwood to redraft senior list).

    Usually the delist-rookie strategy is to give a player a lifeline.  

    In this day of Delisted Free Agents delist-redraft is a risky strategy as GCS just discovered.

    imv if a club deists an in-contract player they should pay them out and take the hit in their sal cap.  Then redraft them.  That will quickly stop these types of list manoeuvres.

    We de-listed Nev Jetta and redrafted him

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