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As I said on the Salem thread, I would take him ahead of Kelly.

Like a few in the overrated society Kelly doesn't get down in the trenches when the going is hot.

Nice footballer when allowed, nice doesn't win Premierships...

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Can people please figure out it’s a list of players, he isn’t trying to pick a team.

That said, I’d go for Darcy Moore, a fit and healthy Harris Andrews, Tommy Stewart and maybe May or Lever in the top 20 or so. All in the top 30 for sure.

Dwayne going a little high on old Hawkins and Jez Cameron. He’s very loyal to the Cats.

Buying high on Stringer, Heeney, De Goey, Fyfe and Dusty too. They’re the most valuable type of players in the game but I’m not sure I’d bet so big on any of them in 2022. 

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1 hour ago, rjay said:

As I said on the Salem thread, I would take him ahead of Kelly.

Like a few in the overrated society Kelly doesn't get down in the trenches when the going is hot.

Nice footballer when allowed, nice doesn't win Premierships...

His best year was 2017 and he was so prolific and skillful then and his tackle and clearance numbers certainly stood up. 

His body hasn't been the same since and only in the second half of this year did start producing  absolutely top quality midfield performances and with that I reckon his contested work was looking better. I'm willing to concede a little bit less physicality in a player if they bring exception run and skills. But it's definitely worth watching and there's been long stretches of his career where he's been getting by being a nice player without the full commitment to the contest. Although he's not nearly as bad as the other super skillful, highly drafted and thinly built Giant.

Certainly Salem's toughness and contested work have been undervalued for years and it's what makes him a special player. It's just whether a really special half back can be better than a goal kicking on baller. If it's at all close I'm going with the midfielder who will be more involved in the game and can impact two ways more easily.

I'd still love to see Salem get his chance as a midfielder at some stage. Or to be used as the hawks used Shaun Burgoyne where he'd play half back most of the time but if they needed some spark he'd suddenly go on ball and win a crucial clearance.

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57 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Buying high on Stringer, Heeney, De Goey, Fyfe and Dusty too.

I don't get that selection. I'm not completely sure he's even in the top 100 players in the AFL. I must have missed something.

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18 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

His best year was 2017 and he was so prolific and skillful then and his tackle and clearance numbers certainly stood up. 

His body hasn't been the same since and only in the second half of this year did start producing  absolutely top quality midfield performances and with that I reckon his contested work was looking better. I'm willing to concede a little bit less physicality in a player if they bring exception run and skills. But it's definitely worth watching and there's been long stretches of his career where he's been getting by being a nice player without the full commitment to the contest. Although he's not nearly as bad as the other super skillful, highly drafted and thinly built Giant.

Certainly Salem's toughness and contested work have been undervalued for years and it's what makes him a special player. It's just whether a really special half back can be better than a goal kicking on baller. If it's at all close I'm going with the midfielder who will be more involved in the game and can impact two ways more easily.

I'd still love to see Salem get his chance as a midfielder at some stage. Or to be used as the hawks used Shaun Burgoyne where he'd play half back most of the time but if they needed some spark he'd suddenly go on ball and win a crucial clearance.

He's (Kelly) certainly not worth the coin that was on offer.

...and full commitment wasn't on offer in their finals performance again.

Salem is a beauty and still very underrated, his GF performance would have opened some eyes.

...maybe not Mathew Lloyd who just see the baby face (looks can be deceiving) and misses the uncompromising tough, contested work he does.

Jack Macrae found that out the hard way pretty early in the first Q.

I'm going with the player that stands up when it's on the line...he doesn't let you down.

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13 minutes ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

I don't get that selection. I'm not completely sure he's even in the top 100 players in the AFL. I must have missed something.

He's had a 48 goal season as an undersized full forward and when he went in to the midfield from Queens B'day on he went 32, 32, 29, 31, 25, 34, 27 and 23. All without ever doing a full preseason or committing to becoming super fit.

In other words he's a more dangerous deep forward version of Petracca after 2019 but with a raft of off field concerns and 2 years older than Tracc too. If the penny really drops for him he'd be top 10, but there's every chance it doesn't as well.

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I nominate @DeeSpencer and @picket fence to undertake an old-school school-yard pick-for-pick selection of teams from currently-listed AFL players, and then we can add a poll and the rest of us get to decide and argue endlessly over which is best. I just flipped a coin, and heads, Picket gets to go first, suitable karma for having 'Picket' in his handle before the drafting of Kysaiah  as opposed to Spencil. A full 23-man squad, with consideration given to team balance and playing spots. @WERRIDEEcan arrange the selections into final line-ups before we vote. Other challenger match-up suggestions are welcome, or even the inclusion of a third or fourth party to make it extra interesting. 

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5 hours ago, Skuit said:

I nominate @DeeSpencer and @picket fence to undertake an old-school school-yard pick-for-pick selection of teams from currently-listed AFL players, and then we can add a poll and the rest of us get to decide and argue endlessly over which is best. I just flipped a coin, and heads, Picket gets to go first, suitable karma for having 'Picket' in his handle before the drafting of Kysaiah  as opposed to Spencil. A full 23-man squad, with consideration given to team balance and playing spots. @WERRIDEEcan arrange the selections into final line-ups before we vote. Other challenger match-up suggestions are welcome, or even the inclusion of a third or fourth party to make it extra interesting. 

This is a great idea. Please, let’s do this!

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