Farewell Luke Jackson

[tiers 2,875]

10 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Not if he has an agreement already done. A suitor might want him to take it easy and look after himself.

If this is so, then get him out of the team NOW. But I don't believe it is so. He, like Maxie, is still recovering from injury or illness and will only get better, we hope.

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Picks 14 and 16 for a pick 3 at 20 years old on one of the league's biggest ever contracts and NAB rising star winner.

Nowhere near enough

You're taking a narrow-minded view.

For example, if we were to chat with a club and agreed on a trade up before acquiring those picks, then we'd take those picks obviously. I'm not for a second saying we'd take those picks to the draft. 

No doubt we'll want more. I'm spit balling. 

If we could turn 14, 16 and a late first rounder into 5 and 8 for example, you'd do it.

Edited July 27, 2022 by JimmyGadson

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

49 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

It's a reasonable line of thinking and is the likely outcome at this stage I believe. It would leave us with picks 14, 16, 20ish. Unless we packaged them up to get a solitary high pick then they're not great picks IMO. We used picks 3 and 12 (really pick 10 but bumped back after academy bids matched) to get Jackson and Kozzie. Freo used picks 7 and 8 to get Young and Serong. If we'd had 14, 16, 20 in that draft we would've got Miles Bergman, Cooper Stephens, and Sam Philip. Hardly regenerating a list compared to either of those top 10 combos. Picks outside the top 10 are still a very low hit rate, even with all the advancement in recruiting. 

Not having a go and I agree your line of thinking is the most positive outcome. In my opinion though unless we get top 5-10 picks, we're going to be worse off. We're just trying the make the most of the poor hand we've been dealt and will likely have a net result of a weaker playing list if they're taken to draft. If there were proven key forwards on the market then I'd be trading those picks without a second. Picks at draft are overrated in my view though. Losing Brayshaw, an All Australian level half back in his prime, for a 10% chance at a best 22 player seems like a horrible deal. Take the proven player every time.

Yeh, well I didn't put much thought into it and clearly we wouldn't be happy with that and would be asking for more. 

I was just coming up with a conservative example of how it could work but the possibilities are obviously many.

See above ^

 

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by JimmyGadson

[Willmoy1947 4,199]

What do other Clubs like cwood and freo do when they have players leaving?

[layzie 34,339]

9 minutes ago, willmoy said:

What do other Clubs like cwood and freo do when they have players leaving?

Well in Collingwood's case they let it all blow up in trade period. 

[brendan 3,445]

Pick 14 and young 

[adonski 12,919]

Freo trade: Lobb, 2023 F1st
Receive: WBD 2022 Pick 10, 2023 F2nd 

Freo trade picks 10 & 14 & 2023 F2nd
Receive: Jackson, 2022 R3

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by adonski

[Lord Travis 10,793]

6 minutes ago, brendan said:

Pick 14 and young 

That would be a dream. I’d even take a straight swap for Young. Doubt it will happen though as he recently signed an extension until end of 2027.

[mo64 5,883]

9 minutes ago, adonski said:

Freo trade: Lobb, 2023 F1st
Receive: WBD 2022 Pick 10, 2023 F2nd 

Freo trade picks 10 & 14 & 2023 F2nd
Receive: Jackson, 2022 R3

 

That's pretty close to the mark I reckon. Plus steak knives Meek.

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

5 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

How the [censored] can they get both Jackson and Gus? Cooking the books?

They may become “brand ambassadors” for Woodside, à la Matthew Pavlich, who continues to be employed by Woodside to this day. 

[John Crow Batty 8,880]

2 hours ago, tiers said:

If this is so, then get him out of the team NOW. But I don't believe it is so. He, like Maxie, is still recovering from injury or illness and will only get better, we hope.

His form is not bad enough to drop him and he still is a key structural player if we are chasing another flag. We still require a second ruck. In all honesty Weid or Mitch Brown could fill his role adequately if he can’t recapture his best form though. I really hope he starts putting in his best for the finals campaign. I’d hate to see him running the clock down and then leaving if that is his intention. It will be a massive kick in the guts if so.

Edited July 27, 2022 by John Crow Batty

[Ollie fan 3,637]

Any discussion of trading him for just picks is mad. With a pick, what you hope to get, in your dreams, is a player like him, and there is a very good chance you won’t get it. He should only be traded for an established good player together with a high pick. He is a former pick 3, a winner of Rising Star, and a premiership player. We trade him for picks????!!!??

[John Crow Batty 8,880]

3 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Any discussion of trading him for just picks is mad. With a pick, what you hope to get, in your dreams, is a player like him, and there is a very good chance you won’t get it. He should only be traded for an established good player together with a high pick. He is a former pick 3, a winner of Rising Star, and a premiership player. We trade him for picks????!!!??

Problem is that he can walk out deal or no deal. Our bargaining position is weak and especially so if he’s determined to go west hell or high water.

[Diamond_Jim 12,689]

10 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Any discussion of trading him for just picks is mad. With a pick, what you hope to get, in your dreams, is a player like him, and there is a very good chance you won’t get it. He should only be traded for an established good player together with a high pick. He is a former pick 3, a winner of Rising Star, and a premiership player. We trade him for picks????!!!??

As the song says....

"You can't always get what you want"

[mo64 5,883]

15 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Any discussion of trading him for just picks is mad. With a pick, what you hope to get, in your dreams, is a player like him, and there is a very good chance you won’t get it. He should only be traded for an established good player together with a high pick. He is a former pick 3, a winner of Rising Star, and a premiership player. We trade him for picks????!!!??

And you do realise that the established good player has to agree to be traded, and want to come to Melbourne the club and city.

[Macca 17,113]

51 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

His form is not bad enough to drop him and he still is a key structural player if we are chasing another flag. We still require a second ruck. In all honesty Weid or Mitch Brown could fill his role adequately if he can’t recapture his best form though. I really hope he starts putting in his best for the finals campaign. I’d hate to see him running the clock down and then leaving if that is his intention. It will be a massive kick in the guts if so.

Well, prepare for the worst or prepare for a stalemate or prepare for LJ to re-sign haha

Our trading, list management and drafting has been first rate in the last 10 years so there's probably a lot going on behind the scenes at the club that we don't know about

Could be that the club is all over all the permutations with fall-back positions in place for all scenarios

I doubt we're going to be caught out unawares ... for instance, I doubt we'll be happy with an end of first round pick for Brayshaw.  Nor would we be happy about a team like Essendon landing one of our better players for nix (remembering that Sydney acquired Buddy for nothing ... apart from his salary)

 

Footnote; Not at all sure about Mitch Brown in the ruck!

[spirit of norm smith 16,617]

4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Picks 14 and 16 for a pick 3 at 20 years old on one of the league's biggest ever contracts and NAB rising star winner.

Nowhere near enough

I agree DJ. It’s two 1st rounders. Ideally they’d around a pick 5 and 15 at worst.  Jackson’s best is still ahead and he’s already shown how he can win a GF. That’s worth demanding a high price !!! 

[manny100 1,621]

Hoping he stays but if he goes we would expect Freo to come up with a top 6 pick. They can swap and trade to get one. Plus a another current or future 1st as well. Also Meek as steak knives on top. That is a minimum. Our first ask would be more.

Freo got a pick 6 for Cerra and a future 3rd rounder.

Cannot compare a mobile tall who could be anything with Cerra.

We could end up being the laughing stock if he ends up a GOAT which is very possible - so it has to be a stellar deal..

I think if a satisfactory deal cannot be done he will sign for 2 years with us.

[CityDee 738]

pick

1-3

or 

2 first rounders

[Nascent 9,321]

This thread is on a bullet train to 200+ pages. What did the Hogan one get up to?

[spirit of norm smith 16,617]

11 minutes ago, Nascent said:

This thread is on a bullet train to 200+ pages. What did the Hogan one get up to?

I think the Jack Watts thread got to 784 pages 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

3 hours ago, adonski said:

Freo trade: Lobb, 2023 F1st
Receive: WBD 2022 Pick 10, 2023 F2nd 

Freo trade picks 10 & 14 & 2023 F2nd
Receive: Jackson, 2022 R3

 

Lobb for #10 is way overs. He’s a late first at best. 
 

Freo need to deal to get a top 5 pick and only then does that pick become acceptable. 

[adonski 12,919]

1 minute ago, CYB said:

Lobb for #10 is way overs. He’s a late first at best. 
 

Freo need to deal to get a top 5 pick and only then does that pick become acceptable. 

Reread it 

[layzie 34,339]

Can't wait till page 200. Will be like NYE 2000

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

44 minutes ago, adonski said:

Reread it 

I have. 10, 14 does not cut it. You couldn’t even package that up to trade for top 5. 

LJ was a pick 3 and now rising start, premiership player. This means (imo) a top 5 pick plus another 1st rounder. 
 

If he was mid to late 20s then I’d agree regarding with your trade , but he’s still starting out with proven ability.