What I've Learned from David King*

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I'm noticing the duality of enjoying stats and data, but feel as though he is losing his grip on being able to talk about anything concisely or usefully.

*not much...and this disappoints me.

[Ethan Tremblay 28,427]

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17 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Positive input as always... 

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[Deestroy All 14,262]

Last week he learned us that the Cats beat you up inside, nothing surer, it’s their DNA, it’s what they do. 
Next minute, they don’t lay a glove on us, in a bruise free prelim. 
 

Him getting it wrong is my favourite media watch. 

[Gorgoroth 12,331]

I think what he said yesterday was pretty good. If Max can get the centre clearance to our guys who use their legs to clear the congestion then give or get it into the 50 quickly we will be hard to beat. It’s around the ground stoppages where the Doggies excel land we need to nullify that. 
 

And I also agree with the fact both games earlier in the year nigh on become irrelevant except they we dominated both in contested possessions and out of their losses they lost the CB count. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

I think what he said yesterday was pretty good. If Max can get the centre clearance to our guys who use their legs to clear the congestion then give or get it into the 50 quickly we will be hard to beat. It’s around the ground stoppages where the Doggies excel land we need to nullify that. 
 

And I also agree with the fact both games earlier in the year nigh on become irrelevant except they we dominated both in contested possessions and out of their losses they lost the CB count. 

 

The stuff Montagna showed on 360 with the ring-a-Rosie of Hannan & Naughton in the forward 50, making sure Lever ended up on Naughton and May resigned to Hannan, was very interesting. How do you think we'll counter that? Perhaps put Petty & May back there and Lever higher near English ?

Or just back ourselves to win in centre and convert, eliminate stoppage goals and let them do their thing...

@binman

Some interest to you too for the podcast

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[Rocknroll 920]

That game they had Bruce to watch as well. 

I doubt the same hustle will work again

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I've learnt he loves to use a laptop

[jacey 333]

Interesting that Ross Lyon last week said Scott would review the Rd 23 tape where they were 44pts in front, fix a few things and cats will get it done. 

This week, Ross Lyon, Beveridge made the necessary changes in Rd 19 to win, they'll review that again and with the week off, the dogs will get it done. 

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24 minutes ago, Rocknroll said:

That game they had Bruce to watch as well. 

I doubt the same hustle will work again

This. Inconvenient truth for the commentariat that they have ignored.

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7 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

Last week he learned us that the Cats beat you up inside, nothing surer, it’s their DNA, it’s what they do. 
Next minute, they don’t lay a glove on us, in a bruise free prelim. 
 

Him getting it wrong is my favourite media watch. 

And it was fun watching their 'forward line to die for' in action too.

[Webber 10,114]

Didn’t he say earlier in the year that the Dees needed to win it this year, because the Dogs list/age profile has it wrapped up for the next few years? He’s a week to week, change-with-the-wind twirp. If the media commentariat were serious about quality analysis, he wouldn’t even be on our screens. Can’t watch him anymore. 

[binman 38,449]

2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

The stuff Montagna showed on 360 with the ring-a-Rosie of Hannan & Naughton in the forward 50, making sure Lever ended up on Naughton and May resigned to Hannan, was very interesting. How do you think we'll counter that? Perhaps put Petty & May back there and Lever higher near English ?

Or just back ourselves to win in centre and convert, eliminate stoppage goals and let them do their thing...

@binman

Some interest to you too for the podcast

I haven't watched 360 from last night yet, but will. 

Funnily enough I was thinking about how they might counter efforts to negate Lever. 

One thought I had was play him on naughton at times. I watched the first half of round 11 again last night and Lever was a direct match up on Bruce at times.He is better one on one than he was. Stronger. 

But naughton probably starts him too deep, so running him one on one against English would mean he starts higher. And would have the benefit or breaking any tag from Schache.

He can still zone off from English and but  petty would be free to play the more aggressive intercept role.

 

[Webber 10,114]

1 hour ago, jacey said:

Interesting that Ross Lyon last week said Scott would review the Rd 23 tape where they were 44pts in front, fix a few things and cats will get it done. 

This week, Ross Lyon, Beveridge made the necessary changes in Rd 19 to win, they'll review that again and with the week off, the dogs will get it done. 

To be fair, Ross Lyon, for reasons unknown, has a wholly transparent dislike of MFC. I remember a game a few years ago when we beat Freo comfortably in the NT, and his presser was comical - quietly seething, almost like he was embarrassed to have lost to the Dees, blamed injuries, couldn’t bring himself to give us a drip of credit. Never said a positive word about us. 

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2 minutes ago, binman said:

petty would be free to play the more aggressive intercept role.

Which he’d do well, yet I like the idea of Petty’s competitiveness and under the radar strength and athleticism one-on-one against Naughton. Kid’s a gun, we haven’t seen his full potential yet. 

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52 minutes ago, Webber said:

Which he’d do well, yet I like the idea of Petty’s competitiveness and under the radar strength and athleticism one-on-one against Naughton. Kid’s a gun, we haven’t seen his full potential yet. 

Yep, agree on both points.

It's funny there hasn't been more talk about the impact of Bruce not being in their side.

Even though he has played 20 games to Naughton's 24 he still leads their goal kicking tally with 48 goals, with Naughton on 46 goals.

And structurally Bruce was super important. And not just because he was another tall.

Naughton is still a run and jump player. But Bruce is strong and played an important role creating opportunities for Naughton by wrestling with defenders.

No Bruce means we have more flexibility in how we structure up down back.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, binman said:

Yep, agree on both points.

It's funny there hasn't been more talk about the impact of Bruce not being in rhe side.

Even though he has played 20 games to naughton's 24 he still leafs their goal kicking tally with 48 goals, with naughton on 46 goals.

And structurally Bruce was super important. And not just because he was another tall. Naughton is still a run and jump player. But Bruce is strong and played an important role creating opportunities for naughton by wrestling with defenders.

No Bruce means we have more flexibility in how we structure up down back.

 

 

Naughton is a fascinating player. Extraordinary talent, X-factor and scary in that his athleticism and hands make him almost unmatchable in many one-on-ones. But he hasn’t shown yet that he can work past an organised, unrelenting effort to limit his space. He doesn’t have any alternative ways to impact the game, and goes ‘off the boil’ as it were. I think our defensive set-up, including limiting cleanly directed ball coming in goes a long way to disempowering him. As to Josh Bruce, he really completed the picture for the Dogs (don’t forget his goal tally was bumped by a 10 goal haul v Roos). He’s a big loss, maybe bigger than Stewart was for Cats, albeit different reasons of course. What also fascinates me is that our own forward potency goes largely un-discussed compared to the fawning over Naughton/Weightman. Brown, Tmac, Fritsch (more productive and skilfully potent than Naughton, just differently) and Kozzie. Add in Jackson, and I’m not sure how the Dogs stop us, particularly with added midfield scoring/score assist work from Tracc, and of course Gawn, who they’ll be ****-scared of, now more than ever. It’s easy to forget that they just scraped in against the Lions, who aren’t the Dees by a long long way. Heat up the contested ball, which we’ll do, in fact that’s what we do, and I can’t help but feel bullish. 

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57 minutes ago, Webber said:

Which he’d do well, yet I like the idea of Petty’s competitiveness and under the radar strength and athleticism one-on-one against Naughton. Kid’s a gun, we haven’t seen his full potential yet. 

I thought the same thing. Petty is a good match up for Naughton. 

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43 minutes ago, binman said:

Yep, agree on both points.

It's funny there hasn't been more talk about the impact of Bruce not being in their side.

Even though he has played 20 games to Naughton's 24 he still leads their goal kicking tally with 48 goals, with Naughton on 46 goals.

And structurally Bruce was super important. And not just because he was another tall.

Naughton is still a run and jump player. But Bruce is strong and played an important role creating opportunities for Naughton by wrestling with defenders.

No Bruce means we have more flexibility in how we structure up down back.

 

 

Haven't you heard Schache is the next big thing?

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Doggies had success against anti-power because they were able to successfully isolate their forward line into separate one-on-one contests. Schache was just a spoiler. Watch the replays of the first quarter to see how it worked.

The Dees on the other hand do not allow our backs to be isolated so easily and play a team defence based on clever running and support from team mates.

About half way through last quarter against [censored] cats Petty was caught one out against Hawk and Cameron and was out positioned so that Hawk had a clear shot.

Langdon backed up and harrassed Hawk who dribbled the ball to Cameron who was out classed by Brayshaw. How disciplined and smart is our set up when the two wingers provide back up on the last line of defence and in the blink of an eye are positioning up the ground as targets for clearances?

It's called TEAM and has been a revelation this year.

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3 hours ago, Rocknroll said:

That game they had Bruce to watch as well. 

I doubt the same hustle will work again

It seems that it took a few weeks for the Dogs to reorganise their attack without Bruce and they are now relying on smalls to kick goals while Naughton provides and almost singular marking and contesting target.

First thing first: Aaron Naughton has had 4, 3 and 6 contested marks in the finals. He is their designated target who the Bulldogs rely on as the 'bang it long' option. With the small forwards they have, they know and he knows all he has to do is get the ball to ground.

In contrast, Tim English has had a total of zero and Schache has had two. Schache did prove effective at getting general marks inside 50 and keeping mobile enough to demand attention.

But here's my main point -

Bulldogs goals in finals by tall (190cm+) or small (under 190cm)

vs Essendon

Talls 5 -  Naughton 3, Shache 2

Smalls 8  - Weightman 4, Hannan 2, Smith 1, Vandemeer 1,

vs Brisbane

Talls 2 -  Schache 1, Naughton 1,

Smalls 9 -  Smith 3, Liberatore, 2, Johannisen 1, Macrae 1, Hannan 1, Weightman 1

vs Port Adelaide

Talls 3 - Naughton 2, Schache 1,

Smalls  14 - Smith 4, Hannan 3, Bontempelli 2, Johannisen 1, Treloar 1, other Smith 1, Vandermeer 1, Scott 1,

Did I do better than ol' Kingy?

[binman 38,449]

1 hour ago, Webber said:

 What also fascinates me is that our own forward potency goes largely un-discussed compared to the fawning over Naughton/Weightman. Brown, Tmac, Fritsch (more productive and skilfully potent than Naughton, just differently) and Kozzie. Add in Jackson, and I’m not sure how the Dogs stop us

One of the stranger narratives all year from footy media types when talking about our games against other contenders is how we are going to deal with their strengths.  

It is always acknowledged how great our defensive system is, and of course the individual skill of Gawn, Tracc and Oliver is highlighted.

But it's almost as if they think our incredibly effective midfield and forward line systems are second rate compared to other contenders.

Pre round 11 it was all about how we are going to deal with the devastating midfield and clearance game of the dogs. 

How will we combat the four headed forward line monster of (insert one of the Lions, Cats and Dogs here)?

Goody must love the fact that our forward line is hardly ever talked about as a threat that needs to be quelled.

In the six games we have won since the loss to the dogs in round 19 we have averaged 100.5 points per game. That is padded a bit by the fact we toweled up the Suns and the Crows. But three were against top 4 teams - Cats x 2 and the Lions

In the seven games the dogs have played in that same period they have averaged 81.5 points per game. 

We are far away the most potent team in the AFL in the last two months of football, but yet we have to worry about Naughton? Go figure.

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