PF: Melbourne vs Geelong

[1964_2 2,357]

17 minutes ago, KLV said:

Scott says some pretty dumb things for an intelligent person. So reactive. 
Just ignore Chris. Deep breath, aah, that’s better isn’t?

Scott appears stressed out in recent interviews......this flows through to the players.

goody on the other hand has been cool calm and collected, and saying all the right things....not whinging or complaining about anything, respecting the opponent, remaining humble and saying we are happy to play anywhere, anytime......calming influence and strong mindset for the players to follow! 
 

 

[ben russell 764]

6 minutes ago, faultydet said:

3. To be in front after the last point is scored.

4. No injuries

[Watson11 2,241]

22 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Much as you might expect this to be the case, it isn't true.

Geelong won 14 of 22 fourth quarters in the H&A season. That was one more than us.

They are actually slow starters, only winning 9 first quarters in the H&A season (we won 13).

That’s fair.  But we seem to have got it right recently. In rounds 1-10 we dominated in lots of fourth qtrs and only lost 1 by 1 point, and another by 3 points. Rounds 11-21 we were 4w6l in fourth qtrs but none were blow outs. In the last 3 weeks we have dominated all of the fourth quarters.  

I’m thinking Burgo has got it 100% right after having the luxury of an 11-1 start. We went 2-3-1 through the middle part of the season but have now won 5 straight. It just feels that we are primed fitness wise and in that slump in the middle Burgo was preparing us for now.

[Jibroni 5,009]

I think this game being away from Melbourne does help us. If this was at the G the pressure on them going into the prelim as clear flag favs would be insane, surely a lot of that is not felt being in Perth. 

[DubDee 26,117]

The more I think about it, the more I realise the pressure is really on Geelong. 10 years of ‘success’ but no flags. Hawk is 34. Selwood is past his best etc. they are trying to deflect but a loss is disastrous for the Cats

[Rob Mac...... 638]

Just re-watched our round 23, and I give the Cats 44 point lead more credence than our great comeback. 

Cats didn't finish DESPERATE as they would in a final. 

Betting odds flatter us, we must be rested and come out blazing. 

[picket fence 17,495]

On 9/7/2021 at 10:31 PM, WA Demon Boy said:

Have a feeling Jack Viney is going to destroy players this week. 

I have been harsh on him this year, but I think he's going to come out and absolutely crunch some of their blokes.  

Agree, if ever he needs to it is Friday night

[BDA 22,875]

8 hours ago, hells bells said:

Things I want.

1. a reasonable run with the umpires

2. to kick accurately for goal

3. Win

[1964_2 2,357]

2 hours ago, Rob Mac...... said:

Just re-watched our round 23, and I give the Cats 44 point lead more credence than our great comeback. 

Cats didn't finish DESPERATE as they would in a final. 

Betting odds flatter us, we must be rested and come out blazing. 

agree with this Rob

- but if we took our opportunities could have got a decent lead in first qtr. 
- be some important learnings from the 7 goal in 10 mins onslaught, and I would be highly surprised if we make the same mistakes again

- Even though I agree cats weren’t fighting the game out as hard as possible, to come back from 44 points gives a team belief that can draw on in future weeks

but your overall point is correct. Biggest concern for me would be the players taking too much comfort from a game, that most of the time they would have lost. 

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[binman 43,726]

11 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Much as you might expect this to be the case, it isn't true.

Geelong won 14 of 22 fourth quarters in the H&A season. That was one more than us.

They are actually slow starters, only winning 9 first quarters in the H&A season (we won 13).

I would have thought winning 14 of 22 last quarters for a top 4 team is actually not great.

Particularly one that starts slow. And one that has the benefit of playing at Kardinia Park.

Given we only won 13 last quarters the same argument might be applied to us.

But our modus operandi all season has been to get  a 3-5 goal lead by 3 q time, and play tempo footy in the last and maintain that lead. It is clear our record in the last q is not fitness related (except in the weeks after the bye when we're doing extra loading)

Edited September 8, 2021 by binman

[BigFez 1,462]

I'm not sure I can emotionally recover from a loss to Geelong in a prelim.  Please, Demons, just win tomorrow.

[Engorged Onion 10,223]

Who's are the wildcards for the Prelims?

Edited September 9, 2021 by Engorged Onion

[spirit of norm smith 16,581]

1.  Fair go from umps 

2. Kick straight. 
 

if 1 and 2, then we will win. 
 

if either are horrible, then it starts to be a worry !!! 

[Deemania since 56 6,716]

21 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

Do you speak like this in person?

Is there a problem or a barrier? If so, it is regretted. Otherwise, can I remain free to express my questions on this site, my opinions and my information flows? I do dislike battles of wits, particularly with an unarmed person. 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

6 hours ago, Rob Mac...... said:

Just re-watched our round 23, and I give the Cats 44 point lead more credence than our great comeback. 

Cats didn't finish DESPERATE as they would in a final. 

Betting odds flatter us, we must be rested and come out blazing. 

We could win the flag and people will still say “but they let Geelong get 44 points up in round 23.”

Edited September 9, 2021 by Clint Bizkit

[old55 23,687]

On 9/7/2021 at 1:41 PM, Deemania since 56 said:

I am not saying that he will be playing. I am analysing why he is training with our top squad. This is something that I would like to know, particularly at the training level, to attempt to understand what he is bringing to our preparation (so far, twice in the past week). Alternatively, it may be a decoy to unwelcome observers from Geelong FC or some other purpose, and why? As i stated, inquisitive I do remain whilst also speculative and reasoned in a circumstance where someone on DL might have a more accurate knowledge than my humble reasonings.

 

I'd guess that since the entire squad is in WA that they are all training together - and that's why you see Majak there.   

There has been no match in our week off and we will have been running match simulation, you need a full squad to do that as effectively as possible.

He's ruck depth and he's most likely to be rucking for the B team in match simulations against Gawn and Jackson in the A team.

The club isn't going to be sending non-best 26 players somewhere else to train.

[ucanchoose 1,816]

Here's a good one for you all

[forever demons 2,224]

wondering where Saty is these days

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

The Goody presser was good today. I liked Goodwin's veiled insults back at Geelong saying that experience doesnt matter and ultimately experience in loosing (i.e. cats PF record) can actually be detrimental...

[Demon17 5,202]

12 minutes ago, CYB said:

The Goody presser was good today. I liked Goodwin's veiled insults back at Geelong saying that experience doesnt matter and ultimately experience in loosing (i.e. cats PF record) can actually be detrimental...

What a fantastic, and likely deliberate, phraseolgy in that presser.

"....not having some of the scars associated with Prelim finals..."  Dees being scar-free by association c.f.Cats

Assume he's referring in a veiled manner to the 5 recent losses to the cats.

[Jaded No More 68,972]

Today is R U OK day. 
Ask me tomorrow at 11pm. 

[dazzledavey36 55,316]

This is cool!

 

[Watson11 2,241]

3 hours ago, binman said:

I would have thought winning 14 of 22 last quarters for a top 4 team is actually not great.

Particularly one that starts slow. And one that has the benefit of playing at Kardinia Park.

Given we only won 13 last quarters the same argument might be applied to us.

But our modus operandi all season has been to get  a 3-5 goal lead by 3 q time, and play tempo footy in the last and maintain that lead. It is clear our record in the last q is not fitness related (except in the weeks after the bye when we're doing extra loading)

Cats have had some shocking last quarters.  Not just R23, but earlier in the season Brisbane and Hawks came from a long way back and both should have won.  Sydney came from behind and won.  In R4 against us they were in the game at 3Q time but we did it easy. GWS last week came from a long way back and got within 2 kicks, but after a shocking turnover/goal gws gave up.  

Their best fourth quarter was against port away where they took a small lead into the 4Q. But at the time they rolled the dice and did the hardest front-running I have seen all season. They had defenders rolling the dice and running into forward 50 for 50-50 stoppages on the wing. That can come off but usually doesn’t against good teams.

That said, I can only see them in this game if they roll the dice on offence and it works so still a bit worried.  But at the same time I would not be surprised if we hammer them.
 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

16 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

Cats have had some shocking last quarters.  Not just R23, but earlier in the season Brisbane and Hawks came from a long way back and both should have won.  Sydney came from behind and won.  In R4 against us they were in the game at 3Q time but we did it easy. GWS last week came from a long way back and got within 2 kicks, but after a shocking turnover/goal gws gave up.  

Their best fourth quarter was against port away where they took a small lead into the 4Q. But at the time they rolled the dice and did the hardest front-running I have seen all season. They had defenders rolling the dice and running into forward 50 for 50-50 stoppages on the wing. That can come off but usually doesn’t against good teams.

That said, I can only see them in this game if they roll the dice on offence and it works so still a bit worried.  But at the same time I would not be surprised if we hammer them.
 

I get where you are coming from, but its really difficult to change a game style and be good at it immediately. The stop, start, slow & deliberate ball movement has become second nature to the Cats. To change that so late in the season, i think is just too risky for them i.e. the way Adelaide try to break through our setup. 

The bigger ground will be both an advantage and disadvantage for us. There will be more space for the Cats to play their game but we will be able to cover the ground more effectively with our superior fitness. The simple defensive objective of this game is to stop their forwards taking marks inside 50. They are good at set shots and a large % of their scores last week were from set shots. If we cannot intercept, then we will need to bring the ball to ground and rebound or create a stoppage.