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10 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

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Look, I agree with the premise, especially about our delivery forward, but you're expecting a 60-70m kick here to get to one of them.

 

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    3 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

    Great facts here

    Poor anaylsis though

    The problem for me here is the lack of a forward running towards the ball carrier

    Yes, Viney can improve, but FFS 3 of 3 forward targets stationary calling for a bomb over the top! Lead at the [censored] ball!!

    Fritsch was calling for in the first frame but as usual Viney has no peripheral vision.

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    7 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

    Fritsch was calling for in the first frame but as usual Viney has no peripheral vision.

    They're all calling for it... None of them are in front of their opponents and running at it

    This is what's wrong with our forward line!

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    19 hours ago, picket fence said:

    Garbage player limited skills trade in a heartbeat

    So glad you're  just a fan on demonland. 

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    18 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

    Fritsch was calling for in the first frame but as usual Viney has no peripheral vision.

    Fritsch is 60m away and calling for the kick to go even longer.

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    20 hours ago, olisik said:

    I know his contracted but needs to be considered. He adds nothing to us and clubs like Port are crying out for inside mids, we could make out like bandits.

    I would rather trade you for a Collingwood supporter

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    1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

    Fritsch is 60m away and calling for the kick to go even longer.

    Fritsch would be lucky to be 40m away. Viney could have kicked to his advantage had he seen him. As it is he chose the worst option.

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    5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    If Jack cannot improve his kicking he certainly cannot stay in the middle. 
     

    It is a big problem that must be addressed 

    no good being rewarded for tackling if he just turns over the ball

    If we had that Stance we wouldn't have a midfield, Oliver, brayshaw, Langdon are terrible kicks, Petracca is hot and cold.  That is the issue we have an entire midfield group that struggle to hit target by foot.  

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    18 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    Fritsch would be lucky to be 40m away. Viney could have kicked to his advantage had he seen him. As it is he chose the worst option.

    Clearly more than 40m.

    Here's a 50m line on both pics, allowing for the slight change of perspective.

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    The kick was a miscommunication between him and Jackson. Jackson needed to double back towards the ball and Viney thought he was …. but he didn’t so the kick looked silly even though the idea was right.

    The movement was very poor from the forwards, with all three running back towards goal and none come forwards to separate the defenders. The only option Viney had inside 50 was a bomb to the top of the square to what would have been a pack situation. It was terrible forward play. 

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    34 minutes ago, drdrake said:

    If we had that Stance we wouldn't have a midfield, Oliver, brayshaw, Langdon are terrible kicks, Petracca is hot and cold.  That is the issue we have an entire midfield group that struggle to hit target by foot.  

    JV is the worst of the lot. Whether it is because of his foot problems i am not sure, but he has no power in his kick

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    2 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

    Great facts here

    Poor anaylsis though

    The problem for me here is the lack of a forward running towards the ball carrier

    Yes, Viney can improve, but FFS 3 of 3 forward targets stationary calling for a bomb over the top! Lead at the [censored] ball!!

    Imagine being a forward knowing the bloke kicking to you has next to no chance of hitting you on a lead, if he is aiming for you 

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    1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

    Clearly more than 40m.

    Here's a 50m line on both pics, allowing for the slight change of perspective.

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    I suspect i was looking at Spargo? Thought it was Fritsch. Either way it was a terrible fwd entry AND from a captain.

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    4 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

    Great facts here

    Poor anaylsis though

    The problem for me here is the lack of a forward running towards the ball carrier

    Yes, Viney can improve, but FFS 3 of 3 forward targets stationary calling for a bomb over the top! Lead at the [censored] ball!!

    Well we don't actually know what the other three forwards were doing because they're off screen.

    I certainly didn't mean to slot Viney entirely so my post was poorly worded in that regard, but Viney could have kept running if there was nothing on. I don't know why he chose to kick it at that point.

    4 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

    Look, I agree with the premise, especially about our delivery forward, but you're expecting a 60-70m kick here to get to one of them.

    Keep running, I say. 

    Maybe, as has been suggested, he sees something off-screen that indicates a lead but the sync between him and that person (Jackson, maybe), is out of touch.

    He had more time and space to work with, is my main point.

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    I get the impression by the way he moves and kicks the ball is like he has no toes. His foot injuries have impacted his game for a long time. Still he could have better impact if he made better decisions because he can get a lot of ball in tough situations..

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    Joey Montagna gave him a nice touch tonight (who I think is pretty spot on with most of his opinions) 

    But....

    I gave Viney a huge spray in another 'Viney' thread 

    If he doesn't lift in finals then I'll be off him 

    If so, then I'll hold my tongue 

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    It seems to me that we want Viney majority midfield in finals, so we're essentially rehearsing continuity and connection now. 

    Problem is I think Jack will be much more effective used in bursts through the midfield, but majority forward, like he was earlier in the season.

    It's a bad move, but I reckon the FD are showing their hand on the set up we want for finals.

    IMV, Jack should be forward, Petracca should be more middle, Gus should be on the defensive wing and JJ used as the defensive mid.

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    I actually thought people watched a different game when I came on here post match. He was not the reason we lost. Thought he was our best in the first half and kept fighting all night.

    I don't know what people are expecting. People asked for him to lift after the GWS game where he legitimately looked out of touch and then he is in the thick of the action all game and probably more detractors are on his back.

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    11 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    JV is the worst of the lot. Whether it is because of his foot problems i am not sure, but he has no power in his kick

    Don't know about that Oliver and Brayshaw are terrible kicks. 

    The bottom line is with in our midfield group we dont have anyone that can kick the ball and hit a target consistently.  We jump all over our forward line but the delivery in there isn't good

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    11 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

    Imagine being a forward knowing the bloke kicking to you has next to no chance of hitting you on a lead, if he is aiming for you 

    I played with a similar bloke who used to get it enough but was the worst kick in the side. I used to lead and the ball would land everywhere but to me. So frustrating, in the end I stopped leading when he had it. One day I wasnt even in the scene of play and yet his kick was so bad it ended up with me on an accute angle about 50 out on the boundary. Of course I converted coz I was a magnificent kick. He jogged over to me with a big grin on his face, You know what this bloke said? Great pass eh, spotted you out the corner if my eye and knew you were the best option to kick the goal. 

    Yeah right

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    Yeh, no! Never going to happen! Viney bleeds red and blue.

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    5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

    I played with a similar bloke who used to get it enough but was the worst kick in the side. I used to lead and the ball would land everywhere but to me. So frustrating, in the end I stopped leading when he had it. One day I wasnt even in the scene of play and yet his kick was so bad it ended up with me on an accute angle about 50 out on the boundary. Of course I converted coz I was a magnificent kick. He jogged over to me with a big grin on his face, You know what this bloke said? Great pass eh, spotted you out the corner if my eye and knew you were the best option to kick the goal. 

    Yeah right

    Imagine being Ben Brown a leading key forward looks up to see Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Langdon, Harmes, AVB, ANB and Petracca kicking the ball to him, you have no idea where that ball will go.

    The only Time you lead with confidence is if Salam or Spargo are kicking the footy to you

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    10 hours ago, jnrmac said:

    I suspect i was looking at Spargo? Thought it was Fritsch. Either way it was a terrible fwd entry AND from a captain.

    Yeah 100%, no argument there. We seem to want to get it deep forward in one go rather than think through it. In this scenario, it looks like maybe going short to Brayshaw would have been a good option. Pretty disappointing.

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    9 hours ago, WA Demon Boy said:

    Joey Montagna gave him a nice touch tonight (who I think is pretty spot on with most of his opinions) 

     

    Was going to a post the same thing about Montagna who I rate as an analyst.

    Montagna thought Viney was outstanding and made a point that once a player reaches his fourth game on return from long term injury, they get back to their normal output.

    Viney was far from perfect on Saturday night but it was certainly a step up from the last 3 weeks.

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    21 hours ago, Dr.D said:

    The same supporters that are positive now are the same supporters that would say 'overall the season was a big success' if we come 5th and lose the elimination final. 

     

     

    Tend to agree with this.

    Given our start, and our draw, anything except a top 2 and at LEAST a prelim will be a failure in my view.

    Next year's draw for us will be harder so we won't be afforded the same start.

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