32 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Given he regularly played on the wing when he dominated in 2018 and spent the entire pre season training for that role i'd probably look at knowing what i'm talking about before getting too sarcastic ?

Cracking comment.  

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26 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

Viney and Jackson are best 22. If fit they both come back in.

i thought the Weid was competing with TMac. Reckon its actually one of the Weid or BB. 

If the club consider Chandler best 22 potential then he deserves another go.

I think it best we go no change unless Viney needs a game before we play the dogs

Agree.

BBB just over Weid, need to bring in a small.  Too many talls interfering with each other today.

I think it works ok with Jackson he is good below his knees, otherwise it’s another small or medium for me.

17 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I'm shocked how controversial this is, McDonald trained during the pre season as a wing, his strength was his ability to run hard forward and provide a target. and also push back and help the defense. 

he's doing something very similar now, it's just his starting position is slightly different, he regularly pushes right up the ground and runs forward hard. 

I don’t find it controversial. It’s just a bad idea. He is dominating up forward. In a purple patch with his goal kicking. Leave him fwd

3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I don’t find it controversial. It’s just a bad idea. He is dominating up forward. In a purple patch with his goal kicking. Leave him fwd

I take your point, but we need to figure out the clearances, and Brayshaw is someone capable of helping that. 

and ideally we need to keep Weideman in if we can, but it's going to be hard because of how well McDonald is going, and i think Brown is playing pretty well as well. 

FYI  @DubDee @Patches O’houlihan

To the blokes jibing about TMAC - here are his last 3 heatmaps 

 

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6 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I take your point, but we need to figure out the clearances, and Brayshaw is someone capable of helping that. 

and ideally we need to keep Weideman in if we can, but it's going to be hard because of how well McDonald is going, and i think Brown is playing pretty well as well. 

I hear ya.
I reckon we need to put the heat on Trac, Clarry, Gawn, Kozzi, Jordon etc to figure it out. The first three earn the big bucks, sort it out

1 minute ago, DubDee said:

I hear ya.
I reckon we need to put the heat on Trac, Clarry, Gawn, Kozzi, Jordon etc to figure it out. The first three earn the big bucks, sort it out

Viney back will help, and i've got no doubt Yze, Goody, Richo and Choco are on it, and capable of getting it right, but we've been smacked in there twice in a row now, we allow the dogs to dominate the clearances and it'll be over at 1/4 time. that said if we break even in there or better, we won't lose to anyone imo

No Change unless Viney is ready.

Once they are fit Viney and Jackson come straight back in, from today’s team you would probably have no choice but to drop Chandler and Weid, I’d like to see Weid get one more but  no argument that Jackson is a far superior backup for gawn and more useful around the ground and unfortunately for Weid he didn’t fire a shot in front of goal

51 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Given he regularly played on the wing when he dominated in 2018 and spent the entire pre season training for that role i'd probably look at knowing what i'm talking about before getting too sarcastic ?

Tom McDonald spent a few minutes rotating through the wing in games where we played 3 tall forwards in 2018 in rounds 6-8. Otherwise he played CHF. I doubt it was more than about 100 minutes of total game time.

As well as he's playing now he's also still a suspect field kick at times - see that kick to Fritsch that was a straight helicopter today. Plus he can try to do too much in traffic.

The other issue is Gus on ball hasn't been a solution to clearance problems pretty much ever in his career and certainly not lately. He's really slow to react defensively. Pretty much exactly the opposite of what we need.

All of that said though, I'd look at Tom having a short stint on the wing now because just like 2018 in times we are playing the 3 key forwards. Worth a look now, but not if it messes with Tom's consistency at CHF.

Rough to drop Chandler after one game but wouldnt mind Sparrow getting some time.

I'd probably give Jackson a bit more time unless he's undeniably right. I don't want the 3 key forwards in the same side but another week of Weid at least lets him play with a bit less pressure I guess. Keeps the heat on Benny Brown too.

Sparrow for Chandler probably has to happen. Going with 4 mids leaves too much to too few. Harmes, JJ and Petracca should all spend more time forward and give us fresher legs on ball. Our mids weren't amazing defensively and played well within themselves with attacking play too.

Wasn't ideal conditions for Chandler. I'd like to see him get more of a go in better weather and with a more mobile forward line around him. We rarely moved the ball with any fluency today, which made it hard for the small forwards to find any easy touches.

Geez give Chandler a chance. He has only been in for one game. 

Melk was in for 2 and a bit seasons and did nothing. 

I think Chandler can get another game or so which will give him time to settle in. 

Chandler needs another game. Petty played well today, shows what good a couple games does. Frustrating how easily Weids gets pushed under the ball or out of the contest. Surely he is stronger than he let's on.

No changes for me.

My recollection was they only threw TMac on a wing in 2018 when he was struggling to get near it early in a game.

No issues with that this year.

I'd give Chandler another game. Especially being in SA. A chance to play in front of family. 

Though, another part of me once Sparrow in asap.

Looking at those heat maps, McDonald is already playing a high role anyway. The last two weeks have basically been 50% forward, 50% midfield.

And what wing is he going to take? Brayshaw might be a poor kick but he's defensively crucial. His positioning when defending our own 50, the way he blocks the opposition from switching, and his push in to the back half are all critical. And obviously it's not going to be Langdon's wing.

Assuming Jackson and Viney aren't ready, I'm going with no change. If Viney's ready then Chandler goes out. If Jackson's ready, I'm reluctantly putting Weideman out at this stage.

 

No changes most likely . Daw is probably a better bet than weid and brown as he is more versatile.

31 minutes ago, Youngwilliam said:

Chandler needs another game. Petty played well today, shows what good a couple games does. Frustrating how easily Weids gets pushed under the ball or out of the contest. Surely he is stronger than he let's on.

No changes for me.

I ahven't seen any vision of Weid at Casey but todat looked same as before with pushed out, not 1 grab marks, if any.  I just don't see him improving. Another chance on a dry day at the most for me but that's about all.

Looking like backup.

4 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

I ahven't seen any vision of Weid at Casey but todat looked same as before with pushed out, not 1 grab marks, if any.  I just don't see him improving. Another chance on a dry day at the most for me but that's about all.

Looking like backup.

The mark on 3/4 time (for a behind) was a clear one-grabber. 

I’m not sure if I’d “demerit” a mark for not being one-grabbed anyway. Surely the fact that he marked it is the most important thing.

1 hour ago, Garbo said:

Once they are fit Viney and Jackson come straight back in, from today’s team you would probably have no choice but to drop Chandler and Weid, I’d like to see Weid get one more but  no argument that Jackson is a far superior backup for gawn and more useful around the ground and unfortunately for Weid he didn’t fire a shot in front of goal

IMVHO Weed offered a lot more than BBB today - neither scored a goal but BBB looked fumble and was easily brushed aside, whereas Weed did some ruck work and provided contests around the ground.

 

11 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

I ahven't seen any vision of Weid at Casey but todat looked same as before with pushed out, not 1 grab marks, if any.  I just don't see him improving. Another chance on a dry day at the most for me but that's about all.

Looking like backup.

There weren’t a lot of forwards one grabbing today. The most disappointing moment was the mark he dropped in the last quarter in the pocket. Uncontested and it just slipped straight through. 

I think give LJ another week to get his finger right but Weid needs a big game next week to have any chance afterwards. My gut feeling is that if we put in our first demolition performance next week it will be with either one of those two kicking a bag. 

2 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

 

I was all for getting BBB but he is slow and very clumsy at ground level.

He is 200cm tall.

He may appear slow, but his work at ground level, including tackling is exceptional for his size.

I know it's 1 week at a time, but we are playing a bottom 4 side this week then have two massive 8 point games the following two weeks, I'd really really consider resting some players this week.