Mahoney's Trade Plan

[Redleg 40,926]

4 players delisted. 6-8 more possible trades or delisted. That is 10-12 off the list. Brown in. That is 9-11 spots. AFL reduce lists by 2, that is 7-9 spots. We are drafting 7-9 players? No we are not.

We will pick up a few more players in the next 10 days. We won’t  go to the draft with more than 4-5 selections.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

Mahoney just playing the game? 

[GCDee 3,199]

Give Mahns a break he is just following Goody's game plan when it comes to trade time. 

"Oh [censored] plan A didn't work?" 

"There's always next year I guess" 

Repeat. 

[Pennant St Dee 13,187]

27 minutes ago, Redleg said:

4 players delisted. 6-8 more possible trades or delisted. That is 10-12 off the list. Brown in. That is 9-11 spots. AFL reduce lists by 2, that is 7-9 spots. We are drafting 7-9 players? No we are not.

We will pick up a few more players in the next 10 days. We won’t  go to the draft with more than 4-5 selections.

Can you let those not thinking logically have their rant before you bring such a considered approach to the thread 

[deanox 9,927]

35 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Why would we come out in the media and lay down our cards for getting players. Its doesnt make any sense. Trade period hasnt even started yet.

In saying that if we dont get anymore players (for wing etc) then JM is an [censored].

If he vame out and said "We have identified someone with outside speed as being the missing piece to our puzzle. We missed Smith so we are desperate to target someone else", Demonland would be screaming that Mahoney is too transparent, that we'd lost our bargaining power and that he was a terrible negotiator. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by deanox

[Lucifers Hero 39,827]

While it is tempting to think we can use lowly picks in (for Preuss, OMac, ANB, TMac if they all happen) to go up the draft order; it is easier said than done this year.

There is a clear top 5/6 draftees (recruiters believe there is now a clear group of five players – Logan McDonald, Riley Thilthorpe, Elijah Hollands, Denver Grainger-Barras and Will Phillips draft-s-fantastic-five-shaping-trade-calls) who are unattached to any club.  So clubs with those top 5/6 picks are very reluctant to let them go.  After that picks are a lottery and picks slide dramatically due to all the compromised picks.  Note:  Jamarra Ugle-Hagan tipped to go #1 is tied to bulldgos.

tbh I think there is more chance of us re-contracting Bedord, Jordan and Lockhart as there is using trade in picks to get new players.  So I expect the trade period to be around the fringes than 'big' or 'medium' fish.  And we may not have many list spots available come the end of trade period.

So the club could be keeping its powder dry until draft night and if someone they like slides make draft night pick swaps to get him.

Edited November 3, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[Cards13 9,117]

24 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Mahoney just playing the game? 

Na mate, he’s just at his desk waiting to be #bentoveragain. 

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

9 minutes ago, deanox said:

If he vame out and said "We have identified someone with outside speed as being the missing piece to our puzzle. We missed Smith so we are desperate to target someone else", Demonland would be screaming that Mahoney is too transparent, that we'd lost our bargaining power and that he was a terrible negotiator. 

Damned if you do and don't in a position of mouthpiece eh.

Not once under Mahoney's tenure, (with perhaps Langdon last year as an exception) was it telegraphed what players we were bringing in.

Matter of fact, not sure how this article/interview came about (mandated monthly fluff piece??), but if he had to give something, he gave that.. Josh has more straight bat's than a willow factory when it comes to conjecture.

Edited November 3, 2020 by Engorged Onion

[Gawndog98 364]

I think they were keen on Isaac Smith because they knew they wouldn't have to give up anything to get him with him being an unrestricted free agent. What I don't understand is why we wouldn't be keen on Phillips to fill that position when he's not going to cost much at all or just a swap for Tmac, and he is 8 years younger than Smith. 

[Clintosaurus 7,849]

'specifically' is the key word. If one becomes possible, no doubt we would pursue.

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

18 minutes ago, Gawndog98 said:

I think they were keen on Isaac Smith because they knew they wouldn't have to give up anything to get him with him being an unrestricted free agent. What I don't understand is why we wouldn't be keen on Phillips to fill that position when he's not going to cost much at all or just a swap for Tmac, and he is 8 years younger than Smith. 

They might have asked about Phillips, been told the only way we get him is of we pay full salary and we don't want to pay him the reported $600k he is due. I'm sure we've asked about a lot of guys, but won't destroy future plans (signing Oliver, trac etc.) just to keep a few on here happy

[buck_nekkid 5,866]

Suggest there is two things always in play:  strategic list improvement and opportunistic list improvement.  Brown was opportunistic and we swooped, Smith was strategic, but we got beaten.  Would think we are looking for a small forward and outside midfielder/winger as strategic needs, but we will only take them if they improve our list (compared to what we have) and don’t destroy the salary cap.  If they think Oscar will be better than Phillips at 1/2 the price, then we don't need to act.  If someone is available cheap, then we have a go like we did with Brown.

I like the idea of moving up if we can, but am more and more happy with the Kozzie pick last year.

Mahoney may simply be waiting for opportunities to present themselves (even a Treloar) rather than trying to pick off a player (like the druggies are with Dunkley).

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Of those 4 mentioned, only Baker is an actual wingman in my opinion, and he is still very speculative at this stage.

We shouldn't bring in list cloggers for the sake of it, but surely there are some options available. And we should also be targeting run in the draft as well.

[Crystal Dees 372]

We have already secured a 60 goal a year forward on the cheap and the Trade Period STARTS tomorrow, where we have a good record in recent years. 

[BDA 22,755]

To summarise:

We’ll back in a number of our players:

“We’ll back in a number of players we have on our list currently, and give more opportunities to the likes of Oskar Baker, James Harmes, Jayden Hunt and Adam Tomlinson who can all play a similar type of role”

But consider opportunities should they present themselves -

“Like every Trade/Draft Period, we are looking to improve our list, we are looking at completing some trades during this period, but you never quite know how active you will be until Trade Period starts. There are going to be a lot of scenarios thrown up on the whiteboard, and as we do every Trade Period, we’ll try to walk out at the end knowing our list is stronger and that we’ve given ourselves a good opportunity to be better as a team again next year”

I think he’s just joshing. He's given himself plenty of latitude to chase any targets that emerge without sign posting our intentions to other clubs.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

4 players delisted. 6-8 more possible trades or delisted. That is 10-12 off the list. Brown in. That is 9-11 spots. AFL reduce lists by 2, that is 7-9 spots. We are drafting 7-9 players? No we are not.

We will pick up a few more players in the next 10 days. We won’t  go to the draft with more than 4-5 selections.

Rookie upgrades?

[BDA 22,755]

I'd like to know what @Dr evil take on this is? What's your intel telling you?

[Adam The God 30,261]

10 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

To summarise:

We’ll back in a number of our players:

“We’ll back in a number of players we have on our list currently, and give more opportunities to the likes of Oskar Baker, James Harmes, Jayden Hunt and Adam Tomlinson who can all play a similar type of role”

But consider opportunities should they present themselves -

“Like every Trade/Draft Period, we are looking to improve our list, we are looking at completing some trades during this period, but you never quite know how active you will be until Trade Period starts. There are going to be a lot of scenarios thrown up on the whiteboard, and as we do every Trade Period, we’ll try to walk out at the end knowing our list is stronger and that we’ve given ourselves a good opportunity to be better as a team again next year”

I think he’s just joshing. He's given himself plenty of latitude to chase any targets that emerge without sign posting our intentions to other clubs.

He does have a record of playing a very straight bat. And almost always, we have something on the go in the background.

[Dr evil 1,185]

1 minute ago, Better days ahead said:

I'd like to know what @Dr evil take on this is? What's your intel telling you?

It’s silly season. There is plenty happening. I’m sure there will be surprises 

[spirit of norm smith 16,462]

I think clubs are waiting for the list size to be announced. When will the AFL deliver this.  It will make a difference in how clubs delist or trade in. 

[spirit of norm smith 16,462]

 

surely not Josh !!! 

[Gouga 570]

Maybe Phillips' contract is just worth too much to make him a viable option?

From memory Langdon was coming out of contract when we targeted him... 

 

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

There is absolutely no chance we'd move on as many players as we have, and offer up as many mature players as we have, if we didn't have some things in the works. 

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Patches O’houlihan

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

40 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

There is absolutely no chance we'd move on as many players as we have, and offer up as many mature players as we have, if we didn't have some things in the works. 

 

That makes sense.  Something must be happening.

We are possibly losing all of T Mac, O Mac, Jetta, Hannan and Preuss and all we have coming in so far is B Brown.

[deebug 1,754]

Lets hope we are not going only get one player in, if so it's going to be a very boring trade period for us?