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Farewell Sam Weideman

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20 minutes ago, binman said:

I agree he is not particularly athletic, but i reckon his rick craft is actually pretty good. 

He's done quite bit of ruck at Casey, and not just this season. In 2019 he did a quite bit of back up ruck work, and IIRC was the number one ruck in a few games (i think because of injury to the main ruck).

I remember writing on demonland a few times during that season that i thought Weed's ruck work was quite impressive.

One of things i find interesting about Weed in the ruck is he uses his body and strength better than he does as a forward, and is pushed off the ball less.

My feeling is he often gets pushed off the ball in marking contests because he slightly misreads the flight of the ball and ends up in the wrong spot, or is nudged off line by a defender who has read the flight better.

Reading the flight of the ball is obviously not quite the same issue in the ruck.  And at around the ground ball ups and throw in he can plant his feet and wrestle.

I couple of years ago when he was doing that i though he had a role as the fwd/ruck back up then.  And but only if he can play fwd too.

My Issue the role people want him to play is the Jackson role.  which he can't.  he is fine as a back up but we will get found out if he is taking 40+% of the ruck duties as Jackson was. 

I still dream of a world where he locks down a position in our fwd line for 200 games, i just don't understand how he can't convert it to AFL.  I'll keep dreaming i guess

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    22 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

    To Luci, DeeZone and mo64: I’m sorry guys, but I need to apologise to you. Its been a really slow day, and as I thought Crossley was being perhaps unfairly stereotyped, I made the above info up just for a bit of fun. For all I know he might drink like a fish, smoke like a chimney and eat pizza for breakfast lunch and dinner. Or again, he just might have thyroid issues.

    Well done!  This post gave me a great laugh!

    Must admit I did ponder the 'weight issue' as he looked fine to me...

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    22 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

    What would happen if Weideman went back and Petty went forward? (I'm bored)

     

    We will never know unless we try it 

    I'm a big fan of Petty forward providing it doesn't undermine our back six too much

    I have doubted Weids ability to be a KPD due to his lack of aggression but the more I've thought about it the more I think it's worth a shot 

    Some may disagree with me, but it seems KPD might be a bit easier than KPF a) you are not doubled teamed b) you have to follow your opponent rather than being the play maker - of course it helps if you can read the play and peel off to intercept at times but is seems an easier brief to stop your opponent marking the ball and compete at ground level rather than having to take contested marks and convert shots on goal

    If Grundy comes on board, I think this could be the logical next stop for Weid - it could be the best for him and the team overall if it allows Petty to play forward 

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    3 hours ago, Sydee said:

    We will never know unless we try it 

    I'm a big fan of Petty forward providing it doesn't undermine our back six too much

    I have doubted Weids ability to be a KPD due to his lack of aggression but the more I've thought about it the more I think it's worth a shot 

    Some may disagree with me, but it seems KPD might be a bit easier than KPF a) you are not doubled teamed b) you have to follow your opponent rather than being the play maker - of course it helps if you can read the play and peel off to intercept at times but is seems an easier brief to stop your opponent marking the ball and compete at ground level rather than having to take contested marks and convert shots on goal

    If Grundy comes on board, I think this could be the logical next stop for Weid - it could be the best for him and the team overall if it allows Petty to play forward 

    Good points. Could possibly trial it out next year, I just don't feel he's a good judge of the ball in flight. He gets caught under it so often up forward and not because he's being out strengthed. Out backline prides itself on that aerial ability with the zone. 

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    3 hours ago, Sydee said:

    We will never know unless we try it 

    I'm a big fan of Petty forward providing it doesn't undermine our back six too much

    I have doubted Weids ability to be a KPD due to his lack of aggression but the more I've thought about it the more I think it's worth a shot 

    Some may disagree with me, but it seems KPD might be a bit easier than KPF a) you are not doubled teamed b) you have to follow your opponent rather than being the play maker - of course it helps if you can read the play and peel off to intercept at times but is seems an easier brief to stop your opponent marking the ball and compete at ground level rather than having to take contested marks and convert shots on goal

    If Grundy comes on board, I think this could be the logical next stop for Weid - it could be the best for him and the team overall if it allows Petty to play forward 

    I have been wanting this for a while, I know last year it was probably too late in the game to try it for 2022 but if Weid is staying with us and he has clearly shown he is not an AFL standard forward I think it’s time we try him as a defender/ruck and I would really like to see it free up Petty to go forward. The double advantage is that it might teach him a bit of a different game that could aid in him being a swing man. 

    He’s not making it as a forward, it’s time to try something new. 

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    If we don't end up trading Sam Weideman I certainly think trying Sam as a defender is worth a shot.

    It's basically Sam's last chance of making it in his AFL career. Unless another AFL club such as North Melbourne or even West Coast wanna see if he will make something of it as a forward for them?

    Wayne Carey isn't doing much at the moment. Perhaps he could teach Sam how to play more aggressively?

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    On 10/6/2022 at 10:59 PM, Supreme_Demon said:

    If we don't end up trading Sam Weideman I certainly think trying Sam as a defender is worth a shot.

    It's basically Sam's last chance of making it in his AFL career. Unless another AFL club such as North Melbourne or even West Coast wanna see if he will make something of it as a forward for them?

    Wayne Carey isn't doing much at the moment. Perhaps he could teach Sam how to play more aggressively?

    I'd get him to meet up with Carey at the Casino.

     

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    On 10/6/2022 at 10:59 PM, Supreme_Demon said:

    If we don't end up trading Sam Weideman I certainly think trying Sam as a defender is worth a shot.

    It's basically Sam's last chance of making it in his AFL career. Unless another AFL club such as North Melbourne or even West Coast wanna see if he will make something of it as a forward for them?

    Wayne Carey isn't doing much at the moment. Perhaps he could teach Sam how to play more aggressively?

    Weid is probably better playing as a ruck/fwd. he is certainly big enough. 

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    16 hours ago, chookrat said:

    I'd get him to meet up with Carey at the Casino.

     

    So - all chips in. Who's going to bank roll this?

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    Weid out a solution: Dees-Dons trade could set off dominoes
     
    Melbourne key forward Sam Weideman is poised to move to Essendon for a pick that will enter discussions to try to finalise the Luke Jackson to Fremantle trade and have a cascading effect on a range of other deals.
    As the trade period enters its final days the Demons and Bombers are close to a deal over the former top-10 draft pick for a future third-round selection.
     
    The Bombers have had success in teasing out the best in another unfulfilled top-10 talent in Peter Wright, after he won this year’s club best and fairest two years after a trade from the Gold Coast for a fourth-round pick. The Dons will hope for a similar result with Weideman, 25.
     
    With a draft pick also likely to come in for Toby Bedford moving to GWS – the Giants’ initial offer of pick 44 has been rejected – the Demons will have scope to find a solution to the Jackson deal.
     
    The Dockers have offered pick 13 and their future first-round selection to the Demons. Melbourne want something more for the premiership player, who was pick 3 in the draft three years ago, given the Dockers’ future first-round pick is only forecast to be another selection in the teens.
     
    Freo will be inclined to add a future second-round pick to the two first-round picks if they get a selection back from Melbourne, such as Essendon’s future third they receive for Weideman, or the Bedford pick.

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    Probably makes sense why we may have sounded out Bruce/Schache.

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    Hmm. Not a fan of just getting rid of our only depth for Grawndy.

    Ah well, chips are in or will be soon I guess.

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    15 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:
    Weid out a solution: Dees-Dons trade could set off dominoes
     
    Melbourne key forward Sam Weideman is poised to move to Essendon for a pick that will enter discussions to try to finalise the Luke Jackson to Fremantle trade and have a cascading effect on a range of other deals.
    As the trade period enters its final days the Demons and Bombers are close to a deal over the former top-10 draft pick for a future third-round selection.
     
    The Bombers have had success in teasing out the best in another unfulfilled top-10 talent in Peter Wright, after he won this year’s club best and fairest two years after a trade from the Gold Coast for a fourth-round pick. The Dons will hope for a similar result with Weideman, 25.
     
    With a draft pick also likely to come in for Toby Bedford moving to GWS – the Giants’ initial offer of pick 44 has been rejected – the Demons will have scope to find a solution to the Jackson deal.
     
    The Dockers have offered pick 13 and their future first-round selection to the Demons. Melbourne want something more for the premiership player, who was pick 3 in the draft three years ago, given the Dockers’ future first-round pick is only forecast to be another selection in the teens.
     
    Freo will be inclined to add a future second-round pick to the two first-round picks if they get a selection back from Melbourne, such as Essendon’s future third they receive for Weideman, or the Bedford pick.

    "Once Jackson gets done to Fremantle, which could be as soon as this morning, Melbourne and Collingwood will finalise a trade for Brodie Grundy which will then pave the way for the Magpies to complete trades for Tom Mitchell and Brayden Fiorini."

    could all happen very quickly

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    Jackson, Weideman, M Brown and Daw all out this year decimates our key depth. Will need to pick up a cheap ruck back-up in case Gawn or Grundy go down.

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    I'll wait and see what happens, but if it does end up that we lose Jackson and Weideman, I'm a little worried about our ruck stocks. Weideman would seem to be a handy break glass option as a ruck/forward. It depends if we bring in another break glass ruck as back up to Gawn and Grundy. 

    If Grundy and Gawn happened to miss next year, like Jackson and Gawn did this year, and someone like TMac was still injured, who'd be rucking for us?

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    17 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Probably makes sense why we may have sounded out Bruce/Schache.

    We didn't though did we? The Bruce thing was a made up BF rumour.

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    I don’t like this. We are getting rid of depth we desperately need to satisfy goddamn Freo in a trade for Jackson? Seriously? 

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    Can I just get in front of something...there is every chance Weideman makes a good fist out of a stint at a second club. 

    This does not mean we could have gotten the best out of him - it means he needed the wake up call 

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    1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

    I don’t like this. We are getting rid of depth we desperately need to satisfy goddamn Freo in a trade for Jackson? Seriously? 

    Yes - it doesn't make a lot of sense. We can't get what we want, so instead we lose an important depth player? Surely then we're still short on 'what we want?'

    If Freo have set out to make a rival weaker, they will have succeeded if this is how it goes down. 

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    Will be a shame if it finally clicks for Weid after 7 or 8 years on our list but I guess we've run out of patience.

    If the Weid deal goes through are there any ruck solutions we could go for? Maybe an okayish state league player we could rookie?

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    2 minutes ago, A F said:

    We didn't though did we? The Bruce thing was a made up BF rumour.

    It was?

    Wasn't it initially mentioned on trade radio when a caller rang up to confirm? 

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