1 minute ago, Travy14 said:

Would easily get a better back up.  And it happens every year that back up rucks move clubs. 

If we get Grundy I have no problem with Weid being our back up.  But we then run the risk of if both he and Gawn get injuries then our ruck is Weid,  which I don't like.

 

SO you are happy with him with him as back up, but not happy to have to use him at any stage. 

I think Weideman if he was picked as back up ruck/forward, would be very similar to what we got from LJ this year.....He is just not a pure forward, the hybrid role suits him better. He finds a way to get into the game rather than having a few opportunities in our forward half,  not taking them, and losing confidence , then dropped again.  Has been a cycle that needs to stop.

Much like Silvagni from Carlton.  Would get much more consistent performances if he was in the play more often.   He is creative enough with handballs etc to make the role work.  Unfortunately i think he has been pigeon-holed into a role that does not suit him.

Personally i think he still has a bit to offer, just currently not being utilised at all well.

Yes it’s really up to Sam. He’s such a great young man. Very nice. Very respectful. Too nice really for a competitive AFL. You couldn’t wish for a truer friend or bloke to have a nice cold Stone and Wood pale ale or Gin & Tonic with.  
 

But his role at MFC?  Tall forward. Hmmm. He still gets sucked under the footy in marking contests and has too many fumbles.  His kicking is generally very good. But he’s had so many chances. One reasonable game. Two poor games. Dropped.  That’s the form chart. 
 

Backup ruck? Maybe.  But just maybe.  He was strong at Casey versus young inexperienced VFL rucks. But old man Crossley at Southport either was a break even or Crossley slightly ahead.  Sam’s not physical enough and would only be plan B or C if Grundy comes in.  
 

Who would be interested in Sam? GWS?? 🤮Collingwood??? Yes given his family link but they’ve already got 6 players lined up to come in (Hill, Mcstay, Fiorini, Hayes, Mitchell, Frampton. Huh!! ) .
 

Sam’s a free agent next year after his contract so he’ll probably go on at MFC.  

16 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes it’s really up to Sam. He’s such a great young man. Very nice. Very respectful. Too nice really for a competitive AFL. You couldn’t wish for a truer friend or bloke to have a nice cold Stone and Wood pale ale or Gin & Tonic with.  
 

But his role at MFC?  Tall forward. Hmmm. He still gets sucked under the footy in marking contests and has too many fumbles.  His kicking is generally very good. But he’s had so many chances. One reasonable game. Two poor games. Dropped.  That’s the form chart. 
 

Backup ruck? Maybe.  But just maybe.  He was strong at Casey versus young inexperienced VFL rucks. But old man Crossley at Southport either was a break even or Crossley slightly ahead.  Sam’s not physical enough and would only be plan B or C if Grundy comes in.  
 

Who would be interested in Sam? GWS?? 🤮Collingwood??? Yes given his family link but they’ve already got 6 players lined up to come in (Hill, Mcstay, Fiorini, Hayes, Mitchell, Frampton. Huh!! ) .
 

Sam’s a free agent next year after his contract so he’ll probably go on at MFC.  

crossleys not an old man and IMO should still be on an afl list, only left the suns coz of his coke ban, we should rookie him. gawny will straighten him up

18 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

SO you are happy with him with him as back up, but not happy to have to use him at any stage. 

I think Weideman if he was picked as back up ruck/forward, would be very similar to what we got from LJ this year.....He is just not a pure forward, the hybrid role suits him better. He finds a way to get into the game rather than having a few opportunities in our forward half,  not taking them, and losing confidence , then dropped again.  Has been a cycle that needs to stop.

Much like Silvagni from Carlton.  Would get much more consistent performances if he was in the play more often.   He is creative enough with handballs etc to make the role work.  Unfortunately i think he has been pigeon-holed into a role that does not suit him.

Personally i think he still has a bit to offer, just currently not being utilised at all well.

He has not got the athleticism of either of those guys,  and would have to go with a Jackson, TDK, English ect.  He won't be able to keep up and compete.  

He isn't a ruckman,  it's not a craft you learn in 1 year.  

2 hours ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

SO you are happy with him with him as back up, but not happy to have to use him at any stage. 

I think Weideman if he was picked as back up ruck/forward, would be very similar to what we got from LJ this year.....He is just not a pure forward, the hybrid role suits him better. He finds a way to get into the game rather than having a few opportunities in our forward half,  not taking them, and losing confidence , then dropped again.  Has been a cycle that needs to stop.

Much like Silvagni from Carlton.  Would get much more consistent performances if he was in the play more often.   He is creative enough with handballs etc to make the role work.  Unfortunately i think he has been pigeon-holed into a role that does not suit him.

Personally i think he still has a bit to offer, just currently not being utilised at all well.

Could not agree more on LJ this year particularly the second half of the year.

2 hours ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

SO you are happy with him with him as back up, but not happy to have to use him at any stage. 

I think Weideman if he was picked as back up ruck/forward, would be very similar to what we got from LJ this year.....He is just not a pure forward, the hybrid role suits him better. He finds a way to get into the game rather than having a few opportunities in our forward half,  not taking them, and losing confidence , then dropped again.  Has been a cycle that needs to stop.

Much like Silvagni from Carlton.  Would get much more consistent performances if he was in the play more often.   He is creative enough with handballs etc to make the role work.  Unfortunately i think he has been pigeon-holed into a role that does not suit him.

Personally i think he still has a bit to offer, just currently not being utilised at all well.

The Weed will kill it if plays 2nd ruck or forward ruck. He'll grow in confidence and kick goals

Weid had his opportunity in 2022.

 

According to Tom Browne St Kilda have shown interest in Weideman. 

4 hours ago, cantstandyasam said:

The Weed will kill it if plays 2nd ruck or forward ruck. He'll grow in confidence and kick goals

Agree and we should play him Round 1 and continue to play

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

According to Tom Browne St Kilda have shown interest in Weideman. 

Straight swap for Borat 

20 hours ago, Turner said:

crossleys not an old man and IMO should still be on an afl list, only left the suns coz of his coke ban, we should rookie him. gawny will straighten him up

Liked the look of him that day. Would consider.

Saints now rumoured to be gunning for him.

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Saints now rumoured to be gunning for him.

Didn't Lamb say he's not going anywhere?

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Saints now rumoured to be gunning for him.

First round or no deal 

16 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Didn't Lamb say he's not going anywhere?

Yes he did.

I am not against trading Sam Weideman to the Saints.

A fresh change of scenery may do him good?

The only question is what would be a fair trade in return? 🤔

10 minutes ago, Supreme_Demon said:

I am not against trading Sam Weideman to the Saints.

A fresh change of scenery may do him good?

The only question is what would be a fair trade in return? 🤔

Very little. He is worth more to keep.

Edited October 4, 20222 yr by old dee

If we let Weideman go, who do we have as a backup ruck at Casey?

Lose 3 ruckman (Jackson, Daw, Weid) and gain 1 (Grundy). We'd need 2 additional ruckmen on our list should Weid go.

I would understand him leaving, however would you go to the saints? It's still not impossible for him to play in a Gf at the Dees. 

He played some good footy at Casey in the second half of the season. When in the ruck he showed some composure in tight situations and was able to get an effective kick or handball away. Whether this will translate to the top level is the question but , as he is under contract, hopefully we will get the opportunity to see.

11 minutes ago, mo64 said:

If we let Weideman go, who do we have as a backup ruck at Casey?

Lose 3 ruckman (Jackson, Daw, Weid) and gain 1 (Grundy). We'd need 2 additional ruckmen on our list should Weid go.

We have backup rucks at Casey in Bell, Valentine and Smith etc, but would have no AFL backup to Gawn and Grundy.

We could Rookie an experienced ruckman, until the son of you know who, that you don't want me to mention, is drafted and matures. 

However I am not saying clear Weid, only posting the rumour.

He’s worth more to us at Melbourne than anything we could get in a trade with St Kilda. 

Surely?

45 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Didn't Lamb say he's not going anywhere?

Possibly correct at that point in time.

We cannot just trade everyone... We still need to maintain depth to cover injuries. Mind you if he wants to get games, he needs to put the effort in.

Yeah really no point trading Weid. Back him in for his last contract year I guess.