Hore & Spargo Ink New Deals

[Sydee 4,420]

27 minutes ago, Spargonicus said:

Ok, bold prediction: I reckon young Spargo will be one of our undisputed best players by the tail end of next season/first half of 2022. Barring injury, of course.

Welcome to the board Charlie and good luck with that prediction :)

[Altona-demon 321]

Great to have Spargo-pants signed for another year.  Great football IQ, Kozzie could learn from him on how to position for the fall of the ball from contested possessions in forward 50.  Tackling pressure needs to increase, but thats nothing new for our forward line. 

[Deemania since 56 6,635]

20 hours ago, poita said:

I really don't see where Hore adds value as a third or fourth defender behind Lever, Hibberd, Smith, Rivers and others, but at least it is only for one year.

Spargo doesn't have the physical attributes to be a decent AFL player, but clearly the coach is a fan. File him alongside Melksham and Vandenberg for plenty of undeserved games in 2021.

The cleanout of the bottom third of our list that I was hoping for doesn't seem likely to happen this year. We'll never be a good side until we develop the sort of depth that Richmond has, and that is not going to happen while we persist with players who aren't up to it.

With Jetta at a sunset, I'd see Hore making a good play in the back-pocket role due to his mobility and keen attitude towards opponents. 

[spirit of norm smith 16,450]

Spargo in a two year deal   - really !!! Ffs

 

[dworship 3,342]

On 10/29/2020 at 3:02 PM, old dee said:

The guy is small, to succeed at AFL level if you are small  you have to be very good in at least one skill. He is not very good at any skill. 

I'd argue his football IQ is higher than most and certainly higher than the average D'lander

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,775]

6 minutes ago, dworship said:

I'd argue his football IQ is higher than most and certainly higher than the average D'lander

Easy to argue

Hard to substantiate!

[dworship 3,342]

1 minute ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Easy to argue

Hard to substantiate!

If you mean the Demonlander bit  ... then I think there is plenty of evidence.

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,242]

Useless fact #344

I met Marty briefly last year ... or was it the year before?

He is a charming young man.

 

[58er 6,432]

25 minutes ago, dworship said:

I'd argue his football IQ is higher than most and certainly higher than the average D'lander

Biggest skill is disposal / team play ie something happens ie a score (GOAL) when Charlie passes the ball or handpass 

Most Demonlanders are besotted with stars if players of 25 and20 possessions. No regard fir the skill of disposal or team play.

About time Jayden Hunts 4 goals Few possessions Charlie's games vs Pies and Giants of 2 and 3 goals and 12 possessions Are held as match winning contributions.

Ftitta will start kicking 2,3and 4 more regularly I am certain from 12/15 disposals and will be lauded.

It is a team game and that's how we will win a flag with 12 out if the 22 contributing a role in the overall Picture. 

[old dee 23,788]

54 minutes ago, dworship said:

I'd argue his football IQ is higher than most and certainly higher than the average D'lander

IQ means nothing if you don't get the ball. 

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,775]

30 minutes ago, dworship said:

If you mean the Demonlander bit  ... then I think there is plenty of evidence.

I meant the use of Footy IQ as a justification for giving a barely average footballer a two year contract

It's carries about as much weight as using Caled Daniel as a comparison based on the fact their both short a~ses

Spargo's performace doesn't provide an objective basis for a two year contract. Hence a requirement to draw upon baseless garbage to justify it.

2018 stats*

3.1 tackles per game (above average)

14.4 pressure acts p/g (average)

2020 stats*

1.4 tackles per game (below average)

10.8 pressure acts (below average)

* AFL App

[Pates 9,660]

I’m not unhappy with these deals, Hore gives us backline depth so one year is about right. 

Spargo is clearly the polarising one though, after his game vs WC this year I honestly wasn’t sure I could see him breaking into the team again. We’ve seen some stinkers over the years but he was just horrendous. 

But he worked hard, and in a year with no VFL he still managed to do enough to earn his place back and when he did come back he was hardly the worst player in the team. In fact I would imagine he became one of the most efficient. 

I know Goodwin loves him, and he’s always looking to be damaging and creative in the forward 50. I think two years for a bloke who’s 21 and had a great first season in 2018 during our finals run is not the worst decision we’ve made. I am concerned as to whether that means Hunt maybe pushed out as I still think he has more upside. 

[The Jackson FIX 3,104]

Nothing more disappointing than when you’ve been offline all day then check in on Demonland to see what has transpired in Day 1 of the trade period and the top topic is ‘Hore & Spargo ink new deals’

[deanox 9,914]

12 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

I meant the use of Footy IQ as a justification for giving a barely average footballer a two year contract

It's carries about as much weight as using Caled Daniel as a comparison based on the fact their both short a~ses

Spargo's performace doesn't provide an objective basis for a two year contract. Hence a requirement to draw upon baseless garbage to justify it.

2018 stats*

3.1 tackles per game (above average)

14.4 pressure acts p/g (average)

2020 stats*

1.4 tackles per game (below average)

10.8 pressure acts (below average)

* AFL App

I actually disagree.

I really feel like his stats in debut year, and again in the back half of this year, demonstrated his ability to provide AFL standard "connection" and "score generation".

As a third year player, he has shown enough for further development. In his limited 3 years with us we had a terrible 2nd year with substantial injuries leaving him exposed and unsupported as a junior player, and his 3rd year was covid interupted with no seconds comp for form development.

Kids need devlopment. Kids with smarts, deserve a chance to development. 2 years is not unreasonable.

 

I'd actually say that flashy speed without smarts (Hunt) or athletic endurance without skills (ANB) are less reasons to give extensions. 

Edited October 30, 2020 by deanox

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,775]

30 minutes ago, deanox said:

feel like his stats in debut year, and again in the back half of this year, demonstrated his ability to provide AFL standard "connection" and "score generation".

 

I'd actually say that flashy speed without smarts (Hunt) or athletic endurance without skills (ANB) are less reasons to give extensions. 

Again wafty concepts like "Connection" and "Score Generation" are both baseless and subjective terms that can't been measured or compared

And as for your observations. The one you outline for ANB is a shocker and simply contradicted by the objective facts, let alone any sense of "vibe" from watching on

"Athletic endurance without skills"

Disposals:  Spargo 8.1  /  ANB 9.0

Disposal Efficiency:  Spargo  70.8%  /  ANB  74.6%

Score Involvements:  Spargo  3.4  /  ANB  3.6

Pressure Acts: Spargo  10.8  /  ANB  16.6

Tackles:  Spargo  1.4  /  ANB  2.4

As for the observation for Hunt. It's clear he has struggled to get enough game time, but the last three games in a row showed the damaging scoring impact of his speed, playing deeper forward and leveraging his speed, averaging 2 goals a game.

[Matt 424]

Some will probably disagree, but I think Spargo might end up a half decent player.

[ProperDee 1,698]

Those of you bagging Marty Hore clearly don’t understand the asset that he is. He is a wonderful reader of the ball/play which is an essential ability for a defender and not particularly common. He will complement May and Lever very well.

As for Charlie Spargo, I can see a footy brain there but he needs to add 10 metres to his kicks and develop opposite side skills. Some extra upper body strength would help to stick more tackles too. Can be good if he works hard enough.

Edited October 30, 2020 by ProperDee

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

4 hours ago, bingers said:

Useless fact #344

I met Marty briefly last year ... or was it the year before?

He is a charming young man.

 

Yes I agree. Met Marty at Family Day last year. Extremely personable young man. Glad he gets another chance next year.

[D4Life 2,469]

8 hours ago, ProperDee said:

Those of you bagging Marty Hore clearly don’t understand the asset that he is. He is a wonderful reader of the ball/play which is an essential ability for a defender and not particularly common. He will complement May and Lever very well.

As for Charlie Spargo, I can see a footy brain there but he needs to add 10 metres to his kicks and develop opposite side skills. Some extra upper body strength would help to stick more tackles too. Can be good if he works hard enough.

Demonland constantly highlights how we see players through a different lens! Hore to me is slow In speed and decision making, fumbles but can take a grab. 
Personally I would delist him, but can just accept him as a rookie, would prefer we rookie a young kid this year, as if there is a year for a player to slip through the cracks in the draft, it will be 2020!

[Demons1858 1,760]

Both good signing. Not every player we sign can be star. We have what is called a salary cap. I'm sure they aren't costing us a heap of coin. Spargo still has some potential to have a break out year and has good attributes. While Hore was playing regular footy and doing ok before his run of injuries - a handy backup with O&Tmac looking to move on.

Edited October 30, 2020 by Demons1858

[BDA 22,751]

Hore provides depth and is inexpensive but I always worry for players who miss a year (likewise Petty)

Spargo has shown just enough to persist with although the 2^nd year is generous imv. Decent with ball in hand but needs to find it more. Needs to up his pressure game as well. We have enough slackers as it is.

[Kent 2,909]

Much rather Marty than Smith. Marty is a real footy player

Very Very happy he is back on board.Welcome return Marty!!