it's depressing when you tend to agree with lloyd and kornes

35 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

it's depressing when you tend to agree with lloyd and kornes

Why, they know what they are talking about. I actually think they are two of the best. Know the game, know the players, know culture, speak to players, know what is needed. 

They have nailed those 2

 

42 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

it's depressing when you tend to agree with lloyd and kornes

Agreed. They named what  has been said on here for a while ie We seem to have fallen into being a team of champions , especially in the middle.  Let’s hope this can be turned around. 

15 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Agreed. They named what  has been said on here for a while ie We seem to have fallen into being a team of champions , especially in the middle.  Let’s hope this can be turned around. 

What is concerning is we as the keyboard warriors watching through our TV's can see this yet our coaches don't or do try to fix and players ignore instructions or do and don't think it is an issue 

Hard to find fault with anything Lloyd and Cornes have said here.

Interesting comments from Lloyd on Eddie Betts and how he has been instrumental in attracting Martin and Williams to the club. Great example of how the value a senior player brings goes beyond on-field performance. Very smart from Carlton. Jones detractors take note please.

3 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

Interesting comments from Lloyd on Eddie Betts and how he has been instrumental in attracting Martin and Williams to the club. Great example of how the value a senior player brings goes beyond on-field performance. Very smart from Carlton. Jones detractors take note please.

Not a detractor of Jones, but I don't think Betts and Jones are related at all ;). If this was precedent then this year players would be wanting to join Melbourne because Nathan Jones was here haha. I think Jones will be playing VFL and helping mentor/coach younger developing players rather than winning games in the AFL for us. So as a prospective player he would rate very very low on my desire to come to Melbourne, potentially not at all.

1 hour ago, Wells 11 said:

Agreed. They named what  has been said on here for a while ie We seem to have fallen into being a team of champions , especially in the middle.  Let’s hope this can be turned around. 

Hmm can you tell me which of our mid field is a champion please? I see some good players but I would not call any of them champions. 

13 minutes ago, Wunders said:

Not a detractor of Jones, but I don't think Betts and Jones are related at all ;). If this was precedent then this year players would be wanting to join Melbourne because Nathan Jones was here haha. I think Jones will be playing VFL and helping mentor/coach younger developing players rather than winning games in the AFL for us. So as a prospective player he would rate very very low on my desire to come to Melbourne, potentially not at all.

Agree re Jones role in 2021

My point was more that on-field performance was not the sole consideration when giving Jones an extra year 

"Oscar (McDonald) has been squeezed out. At his age I am hoping he could be a delisted free agent if a trade can't get done" - Alex McDonald

"Tom (McDonald) did start his career in defence. His breakout year was a bit of wing, ruck and forward. If Ben (Brown) came in, it would mean that Tom would have to move back to another position or perhaps find another club" - Alex McDonald

"Tom has two years to go on his contract. Probably the way Melbourne have structured up with Weideman and Jackson meant his opportunities were limited. He wants opportunity moving forward" - Alex McDonald

"It's fair to say Tom's (Phillips) role has dried up in his traditional wing spot. He has a year to go on the contract. The club has been great and said there could be game. If he wants to play wing we might need to see if there's better options elsewhere" - Alex McDonald

player manager alex mcdonald just spoke to damo and sos

Edited October 29, 20204 yr by Turner

Does McDonald manage McDonald and McDonald?

 

3 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

Hard to find fault with anything Lloyd and Cornes have said here.

Interesting comments from Lloyd on Eddie Betts and how he has been instrumental in attracting Martin and Williams to the club. Great example of how the value a senior player brings goes beyond on-field performance. Very smart from Carlton. Jones detractors take note please.

Has Nate Jones been instrumental in attracting key players? Which ones exactly?

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

Has Nate Jones been instrumental in attracting key players? Which ones exactly?

see my response to wunders (scroll 3 posts up)

2 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

see my response to wunders (scroll 3 posts up)

Ah yeah. Gotcha.

4 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

Hard to find fault with anything Lloyd and Cornes have said here.

Interesting comments from Lloyd on Eddie Betts and how he has been instrumental in attracting Martin and Williams to the club. Great example of how the value a senior player brings goes beyond on-field performance. Very smart from Carlton. Jones detractors take note please.

Think Eddie and Jones are in very different leagues regarding their standing in the game. No disrespect to Jones

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trades-2020-isaac-smith-to-geelong-cats-free-agent-decision-hawthorn-melbourne-chris-scott-pitch-offer-news/news-story/0357c0a874428305fc989199d5e1645a

2 minutes ago, BW511 said:

Think Eddie and Jones are in very different leagues regarding their standing in the game. No disrespect to Jones

See my response to wunders and moonshadow (I could have phrased my original post much better)

10 minutes ago, adonski said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trades-2020-isaac-smith-to-geelong-cats-free-agent-decision-hawthorn-melbourne-chris-scott-pitch-offer-news/news-story/0357c0a874428305fc989199d5e1645a

Thought this was interesting:

"All three deals Smith has been weighing up are similar financially, though as mentioned Melbourne’s is one year longer".

I'd take the 2 year contract if the $ were similar in total to 3 years and avoid putting in an extra years work. 

And if a 4th flag is important then Geelong is a much better prospect. By the time we make a GF he may not even be selected or even be at the club.

All roads lead to Geelong.

Edited October 29, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

And if a 4th flag is important then Geelong is a much better prospect. By the time we make a GF he may not even be selected or even be at the club.

Not so sure...think 2020's short quarters may have been to Geelong's advantage; kinder to 'older legs'.

Guess we'll be in a better situation to gauge that next year.

9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'd take the 2 year contract if the $ were similar in total to 3 years and avoid putting in an extra years work. 

I'd take that as meaning all three clubs are offering the same $ per year.

Just now, TRIGON said:

Not so sure...think 2020's short quarters may have been to Geelong's advantage; kinder to 'older legs'.

Guess we'll be in a better situation to gauge that next year.

I would still back Geelong's chances of winning a flag as being higher than ours during Smith's remaining playing years which are probably 2021/22.  In his 3rd contract year with us, 2023 he may no longer be best 22.

3 minutes ago, demonstone said:

I'd take that as meaning all three clubs are offering the same $ per year.

Why?

I took it as ours is probably a bit higher than others and/or there are some sweetners in our deal eg a better spread across the contract years, extra amounts if he exceeds certain number of games etc etc.

Edited October 29, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

6 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

"Sam Weideman needs to have the toughest pre-season of his life. Toughen up, Sam. You have all the talent in the world, but you need to get stronger and harder." - Matthew Lloyd

Spot on.

Weid should be aiming for 50+ goals next season.

4 hours ago, old dee said:

Hmm can you tell me which of our mid field is a champion please? I see some good players but I would not call any of them champions. 

I would say Clarry is very close or on the cusp OD but that's about it.  Tracc not too far away but still a bit of consistency needed yet.

In my view a champion is one who can give an A grade, or very very close to it, performance 8/9 out of 10 matches or thereabouts. 

Clarry is definitely performing in that sense most weeks, regardless of how well the others are doing.  Ok so not at a match winning level a la Martin when he turns it on or a Danger.  But in a slightly offbeat way vs those two he does turn it on week in and out for us with very few exceptions.  He was easily the most consistent player for us this year and IMHO should have easily taken out another Bluey.

If we put him in a top fourish side he would be taking his finish and game to a slightly higher level again or would be getting the extra assists to do so imv.

In that instance he would also be getting the additional kudos and probably star status that we don't see / hear too much about at the moment as he is playing with a pretty ordinary side which doesn't win very often.  And in the end that's pretty much all the scribes/crtics care about, and most of the fans too.  One could argue this was a significant contributing factor as to why Robbie never won a brownlow.

4 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

Hard to find fault with anything Lloyd and Cornes have said here.

 

Must admit, I'm really enjoying Damo's segment with SOS & Matt Rendell. There's a tonne of list management experience and knowledge that comes through (despite the odd Rendell gaffe).