Offer him a 1 year deal or nothing.  A three year deal would be yet another slap in the face to supporters.

6 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Offer him a 1 year deal or nothing.  A three year deal would be yet another slap in the face to supporters.

He’s not coming on a one year deal

14 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

Look I'm Pollyanna and there are a 1000 Henny Pennys.

Because the next 2 years are part of those 5 years - we need to be playing finals next year.  If we are and regularly contending then those FAs will re-sign and we'll be able to sign other teams  FAs because we'll be an attractive destination e.g. go well next year and Zac Merrett may come across.

I think we've got the oar in the water for Smith and Phillips - Smith is a better player and Phillips is younger.

WHAT ABOUT THE LAST TWO YEARS  POLLY?

They arn't part of the 5 years? They were supposed to be wern't they?

56 minutes ago, Kent said:

WHAT ABOUT THE LAST TWO YEARS  POLLY?

They arn't part of the 5 years? They were supposed to be wern't they?

There's "reasons", but I know "excuses".

8 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Offer him a 1 year deal or nothing.  A three year deal would be yet another slap in the face to supporters.

Don't know if this has been stated before, but a friend with Hawthorn connections has said Smith is 99% going to Melbourne

2 minutes ago, Melb-A-Toast said:

Don't know if this has been stated before, but a friend with Hawthorn connections has said Smith is 99% going to Melbourne

I suppose the 1% is if he isn’t, so as to not be wrong. Thanks for the info anyway, the rumours are great this tone of year.

Just want to mention that the 'less miles on the legs because he didn't play AFL level until 21' is completely irrelevant to how likely it is that he picks up soft tissue injuries or loses speed now that he is 31. 

17 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

Look I'm Pollyanna and there are a 1000 Henny Pennys.

Because the next 2 years are part of those 5 years - we need to be playing finals next year.  If we are and regularly contending then those FAs will re-sign and we'll be able to sign other teams  FAs because we'll be an attractive destination e.g. go well next year and Zac Merrett may come across.

I think we've got the oar in the water for Smith and Phillips - Smith is a better player and Phillips is younger.

the only reason anyone thinks smith is better is because he's won 3 flags, thats it its the only reason

what had smith achieved as an individual player that phillips has not by his age. phillips got squeezed out of one of the best sides in the comp, no shame in that. you go to the afl website side by side compare phillips and smiths output and tell me without putting a picture/name to a list of stats you actually rank smith higher. its extremely even and then you take in age and wage demands and phillips becomes such a logical choice. 

people saying richmond went out and added prestia caddy nank all this, none of them were "stars' at the time but they thrive in the system. we need a left footed winger so get the one whos gonna be around for the success and grow with the group together rather than delaying the problem for two years 

15 hours ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

I don't get how people can honestly judge a coach to be the difference between success or failure. They could be but how are people so sure this is the case. What's the evidence? Is it in the result?

The evidence is before us. We have recruited well in the past two years (in particular) and player frustrations with our meagre but corresponding results have only stimulated some players to 'lift their game' (Tracca is a prime example of this).

Our player development, in particular, is generally disappointing across the board; given improved coaching focus and capabilities, our player development could be further enhanced for 2020 and beyond. After all, this is the premier state of the game (the AFL seniors competition) so as members, fans, spectators and idol worshippers, we have somewhat of a right to expect improvements across the football department and to so comment if these expectations are not achieved, despite a great longevity in our loyalty and support to/of the Club.

As we sit competing in such a premier league level, we appear to have not appointed a coaching panel and its diversification, its breadth, and its inspirational strategies and leadership to warrant or extend such a series of responsibilities. Resolute patience with the coaching mantras have not produced the results anticipated or achieved. 

22 minutes ago, Turner said:

the only reason anyone thinks smith is better is because he's won 3 flags, thats it its the only reason

what had smith achieved as an individual player that phillips has not by his age. phillips got squeezed out of one of the best sides in the comp, no shame in that. you go to the afl website side by side compare phillips and smiths output and tell me without putting a picture/name to a list of stats you actually rank smith higher. its extremely even and then you take in age and wage demands and phillips becomes such a logical choice. 

people saying richmond went out and added prestia caddy nank all this, none of them were "stars' at the time but they thrive in the system. we need a left footed winger so get the one whos gonna be around for the success and grow with the group together rather than delaying the problem for two years 

Here's the comparison at the same age.  If you can't see that Smith is clearly superior you are not looking hard enough.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=11&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&type=A&pid1=3464&pid2=4214&fid1=O&fid2=O

Last season Smith was better too:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=11&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&type=A&pid1=3464&pid2=4214&fid1=S&fid2=S

Edited October 20, 20204 yr by Pollyanna

12 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

Here's the comparison at the same age.  If you can't see that Smith is clearly superior you are not looking hard enough.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=11&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&type=A&pid1=3464&pid2=4214&fid1=O&fid2=O

Last season Smith was better too:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=11&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&type=A&pid1=3464&pid2=4214&fid1=S&fid2=S

compare the season before when phillips actually played wing not HF, yes smith is more favourable in some stats but its much more even

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=11&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&type=A&pid1=3464&pid2=4214&fid1=P&fopt1=2011&fid2=P&fopt2=2019

Edited October 20, 20204 yr by Turner

All quiet on the Western Front here... seems a done deal according to most. 3 years is probably a stretch, but it will be good to have another player from that successful Hawthorn environment teaching our youngsters.

16 minutes ago, Turner said:

compare the season before when phillips actually played wing not HF, yes smith is more favourable in some stats but its much more even

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=11&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&type=A&pid1=3464&pid2=4214&fid1=P&fopt1=2011&fid2=P&fopt2=2019

Look I'm fine with either or as @A F says, both.

1 minute ago, Pollyanna said:

Look I'm fine with either or as @A F says, both.

1 + jordon clark would be ideal and some more, rivers and clark off hb/wing would make me drool

He will be 32 going into next season.

3 year contract is not a smart move.

2 years to get him across the line would be great.

Edited October 20, 20204 yr by BAMF

32 minutes ago, BAMF said:

2 years to get him across the line would be great.

I suspect 2 years wouldn't get him across the line.

I’m ok with 3 years.

Smith playing mostly VFL footy in the 3rd year is no worse than having the Wagners and KK on the list in 2020. And a 3 time premiership player can still provide a little more off field leadership and mentorship than say the Wagner brothers. 

47 minutes ago, bing181 said:

I suspect 2 years wouldn't get him across the line.

2 years + 1 as a assistant couch 

Edited October 20, 20204 yr by Rednblueriseing

It's a no brainer offering him a 3 year deal, particularly given that:

• it seems 2 years won't get him across the line;
• he'll most likely be good for another 3 years, particularly with Burgess managing him; 
• we have a desperate need for the bloke; and
•  like Lewis, he'll bring much needed on-field coaching knowledge and experience.

I will be absolutely stoked if we land this guy.

 

On 10/20/2020 at 10:39 AM, Lord Travis said:

All quiet on the Western Front here... seems a done deal according to most. 3 years is probably a stretch, but it will be good to have another player from that successful Hawthorn environment teaching our youngsters.

Do you really think we would mind if we won a flag in 2022 and Smith was not up to It in 2023.

Small point at that stage to work around I would think.

On 10/19/2020 at 9:32 PM, binman said:

We are in our premiership windows. Top 4 should be the expectation next year. And I'm confident we can meet it.

Top 4 was the expectation this year. not next year. this year we showed we're not a top 8 team. I don't see where the improvement is coming from. Goodwin is still there.

6 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I’m ok with 3 years.

Smith playing mostly VFL footy in the 3rd year is no worse than having the Wagners and KK on the list in 2020. And a 3 time premiership player can still provide a little more off field leadership and mentorship than say the Wagner brothers. 

People are prepared to accept Jones going round again, but won't cop someone that actually improves our side. The wing has become a very important position in modern footy and I'd rather a crippled Smith, who has excelled in this position, than every other gap filler we have tried

9 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I’m ok with 3 years.

Smith playing mostly VFL footy in the 3rd year is no worse than having the Wagners and KK on the list in 2020. And a 3 time premiership player can still provide a little more off field leadership and mentorship than say the Wagner brothers. 

Yup while those wagners boys might have been considered ripping fellas not really hearing much about them driving higher standards....

On 10/20/2020 at 10:49 AM, Redleg said:

I suppose the 1% is if he isn’t, so as to not be wrong. Thanks for the info anyway, the rumours are great this tone of year.

Lock of the week?

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=6MhAmmge-Xk