POSTGAME: Rd 16 vs Fremantle

[Jerry Lundergard 420]

12 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I wasn’t watching but I’m just laughing about the fact that people were upset that Lyon wasn’t more positive after we beat North Melbourne I think it was a few weeks ago.

Agreed. We were poor against Crows and North for a large portion of those games, and now when we've come up against some sides who can execute a plan as a team for 4 quarters, we've been found out.  I think the Hawthorn game was the only game all season we've looked good for most of the game, but even then, they had a stretch in the 3rd quarter. You never feel good as a Melbourne supporter with our level of play.

Edited September 7, 2020 by Jerry Lundergard

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

9 minutes ago, Demondan75 said:

I think I'm going to get some long overdue sympathetic action from the missus tonight. I hope I go better than my team.

Just remember. Conditions are going to be wet and slippery. Ball handling will be at a premium. Get in and under, then work it out the back. It could get tight at the finish, and finally, it ain't over til the [elided] lady starts singing.

[roy11 3,968]

Sometimes it seems like Garry is negative and being over the top to look impartial, but good comments from him tonight. 

[jnrmac 20,276]

It has been obvious since 2017 Goodwin can't coach. we lucked out with 4 good games in 2018 after being soundly beaten by the Swans in Rd 21. Hopefully there'll be many apologies forthcoming now for the bile that was spilled at those who could plainly see how hopeless he was.

People laughed at the Camp but the decision of the players to go the AFLPA was a disgrace and showed the lack of leadership at the club. And a real knock on Goodwin. Sadly we didn't take his resignation at that point.

And in the crunch games we repeatedly stunk it up with poor efforts and zero footy smarts. Poor scores kciking wi th the wind, trying to play champagne football in the soaking wet like tonight, no one standing on a goal line for a 50m shot on goal. Under 12 stuff. 

People excused 2019  but it wasn't an abberation. The same old problems and lack of cohesion, game plan, etc were obvious.

This year there is simply no excuse. We were the fittest we had ever been, had a full list to choose from, played every team once and just stank it up repeatedly.

The players dont buy the game plan. They're confused and have no idea what to do with ball in hand and no idea what to do when they don't have the ball. Its not that hard.

We got beaten the same way too many times, Chip kick keepings off, switch play, sit on the outside and pressure the ball carrier and they'll turn it over with handball. Rinse and repeat.

We have talent and a good coach would get this team humming. Goodwin aint it.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

4 minutes ago, Yze_13 said:

Sure - I get it. I'm hurting too. I'm not happy about how they fell away against two mediocre teams either. 

But was I happy with where we sat, all things considered, before the last two matches? Absolutely. 

Thats like saying the Germans were happy with how they were going in WW11 before they lost the war. Absolute rubbish.

[DeeZee 7,445]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

We had ruthlessness and Brutality in 2018, and somehow have completely lost it since.

Its called being happy with yourselves.

False smugness

[pewpewpew 738]

The coach has to go because he can't get the players mentally prepared or prepared for the conditions. Two weeks in a row.

BUT the blame also has to sit with the players. Mentally weak and did not turn up to play until halfway through the last quarter. Pathetic.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,448]

37 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We signed him to a 2 year deal last year.

That's debacle list management at its best.

Josh Mahoney pack your [censored] bags as well. How he has lasted more than a decade here is astounding.

[Jaded No More 68,975]

1 minute ago, Demon3 said:

Goodwin copping it a lot on here and as he should, but players cannot be let off teh hook. We need a list re invigoration, not a great time to refresh a list but we need to be pro active. Brayshaw, Tom Mcdonald, they are not winning us finals, but they will net a return. Do it.

Of course the players should be blamed for the loss as well. 
But I ask this, we gambled away everything on two defenders and gave away this year’s first round pick. You don’t make those list decisions if you don’t believe you are in a position to push for a flag. So who was wrong here and who takes the blame?

[KLV 1,768]

2 minutes ago, Soidee said:

Roos changed up things for a while and Jackson was terrific.  Then Pert came along and it’s a total mess again.

i don’t know what to say about the list anymore, It’s the toxic culture combined with poor choice of coach.  The football department is a failure under Mahoney and Goodwin cannot harness talent.

Its easy to make a difference bringing a club from the bottom to being mediocre, but a lot more difficult to progress to being a consistent, good team. Ask Carlton, Essendon, freo, St Kilda fans. 
Throwing out the coach without a plan of correcting what’s wrong is a waste of time, the problem isn’t just Goodwin. Even though he is part of it.

[Yze_13 301]

Just now, Jaded said:

I suppose we have different expectations then. Winning against poor teams does nothing for me 2 years on from a prelim. 
If in 2018 after that mega prelim loss you were told in 2020 we would battle to make the 8 after finishing 17th the year prior, would you take it? Would Goodwin get an extension off the back of that? The answer is hell no. 
 

We should be better. 

Sure - if you look at everything that's happened since with the expectation of 2018 levels all the time you'd be disappointed. Much more so in 2019 than in this year.

As I said in an earlier post, I'd rather this than 2012.

I didn't think it was realistic to make top 4 with the list we had at the start of the season, and I still don't. It's not that good a list - perhaps more imbalanced than anything - with an over-reliance on inside mids and not enough good outside ball users.

I guess we all want the same thing - to win every game by 10 goals and the GF by 20 goals. Just never going to happen.

[Cards13 9,117]

38 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We signed him to a 2 year deal last year.

That's debacle list management at its best.

Mahoney needs to go as well as the coach  for signing that off. 

[Jack7 528]

Paying out Goodwin will cost less than the members we lose over 2 years,not to mention the sponsors,imagine putting your Business name to this rabble,you'd be Bankrupt in months!!!

[SFebes 4,884]

After last week I drafted an email to Glenn Bartlett, I've tried to cool off but tonight I've sent it. I'm not putting up with this rubbish in 2021 and neither should anyone else, enough is enough. Whether its Goodwin or Mahoney and his stupid contract extensions, he needed to hear it. I'm off to bed, [censored] this. 

[Happy Jack 197]

1 minute ago, DeeZee said:

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

We had ruthlessness and Brutality in 2018, and somehow have completely lost it since.

Its called being happy with yourselves.

False smugness

Give you two words - Jordan Lewis. Hated him as a Dawks player but he gave us spine

[Watts the matter 1,235]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Josh Mahoney pack your [censored] bags as well. How he has lasted more than a decade here is astounding.

He MUST go.

[dimmy 1,308]

GAry Lyon was very constructive tonight (and hurting) . He summed it up that we have a very strong midfield group who try (possibly) too hard and as a result dor not play as a team. Hark back to 2018 when Brayshaw was part of that group and was being used better the team played better because the ball was moving, not going around in circles. The three games that we won and until he did his ankle Gus was getting to his better level and the team was performing a lot more cohesively.

Look I think Clarrie &  Jack are sensational players, but they must bring players into the game. I also think that Trac has to tighten up his decision making and he will be a super, super star. This year has been his standout.

Our forward line has got to be more flexible. Again back to 2018 , Hogan and Mc Donald & then Weideman were felxible and provided targets. At the moment we are looking for Weid to be the main man and when he is covered we are not being as hungray on the ground to get results. Again , play Jack as a small fwd and see what difference the contestability is up there.

Disappointed and I will scream if Scotrump comes out tomorrow and blames Melbourne for the mess we are in again !!!

[Demon Disciple 12,452]

1 minute ago, SFebes said:

After last week I drafted an email to Glenn Bartlett, I've tried to cool off but tonight I've sent it. I'm not putting up with this rubbish in 2021 and neither should anyone else, enough is enough. Whether its Goodwin or Mahoney and his stupid contract extensions, he needed to hear it. I'm off to bed, [censored] this. 

Would love to see a copy of that email @SFebes

[Yze_13 301]

6 minutes ago, praha said:

4 years into a coaching career and barely holding onto a finals spot with a health list. that's where we were 2 weeks ago. and it's not like these losses are shocking and surprising. goodwin has form and so does this team. 

Yep - I'm not saying he's got a job for life. All I'm saying is in my view he'll be given a 'normal' year with 'normal' footy to lift the bar, and after 5 years, if it doesn't happen, the Board will move then.

I'm sure everyone here would say Daniher was a far more successful coach than Goody. Interestingly though Goody's winning percentage is better. And Neale got 10 years.

[praha 11,253]

4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

It has been obvious since 2017 Goodwin can't coach. we lucked out with 4 good games in 2018 after being soundly beaten by the Swans in Rd 21. Hopefully there'll be many apologies forthcoming now for the bile that was spilled at those who could plainly see how hopeless he was.

People laughed at the Camp but the decision of the players to go the AFLPA was a disgrace and showed the lack of leadership at the club. And a real knock on Goodwin. Sadly we didn't take his resignation at that point.

And in the crunch games we repeatedly stunk it up with poor efforts and zero footy smarts. Poor scores kciking wi th the wind, trying to play champagne football in the soaking wet like tonight, no one standing on a goal line for a 50m shot on goal. Under 12 stuff. 

People excused 2019  but it wasn't an abberation. The same old problems and lack of cohesion, game plan, etc were obvious.

This year there is simply no excuse. We were the fittest we had ever been, had a full list to choose from, played every team once and just stank it up repeatedly.

The players dont buy the game plan. They're confused and have no idea what to do with ball in hand and no idea what to do when they don't have the ball. Its not that hard.

We got beaten the same way too many times, Chip kick keepings off, switch play, sit on the outside and pressure the ball carrier and they'll turn it over with handball. Rinse and repeat.

We have talent and a good coach would get this team humming. Goodwin aint it.

100%

If Round 23 2017 didn't open people's eyes, and if the Hawthorn loss in round 4 2018 didn't, if that Swans loss didn't, if that Prelim didn't, if last year didn't, and if this year hasn't opened your eyes... you must be dead!

[dazzledavey36 55,892]

17 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

14 Melbourne players with 7 or less kicks

206 to 98 uncontested possessions to Freo

74 to 32 marks to freo

 

Embarrassing, inept, disgusting, putrid

 

Goodwin's last game

That's borderline 2013 Mark Neeld stats.

How the.[censored] have we gotten to this point.

[Earl Hood 6,142]

Yep many of the first round decisions have reflected that we thought we were in the window, early picks for Lever and May etc. now we find ourselves well outside finals with [censored] all draft picks. Great. 

[Yze_13 301]

6 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Thats like saying the Germans were happy with how they were going in WW11 before they lost the war. Absolute rubbish.

Fair enough. Thanks for your contribution.

[Demon Jack 7,141]

Our inability to adjust to the conditions never ceases to amaze. Who'd have thought that lightning quick chains of handballs don't tend to work all that well when its pelting down with rain?

 

 

[Demon3 2,541]

6 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Of course the players should be blamed for the loss as well. 
But I ask this, we gambled away everything on two defenders and gave away this year’s first round pick. You don’t make those list decisions if you don’t believe you are in a position to push for a flag. So who was wrong here and who takes the blame?

Yep, preaching t the converted, the FD has a lot to answer for.