Serong/Pickett trade

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43 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Jackson and Rivers are but Pickett isn’t. 

unfortunately so is rowell, and if can get thru half a season he's got it sewn up

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7 hours ago, olisik said:

We traded pick 8 (Serong) to Freo for pick 10 (Pickett) and Pick 32 (Rivers)

Looks like a win win trade to me.

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8 hours ago, olisik said:

Difference here is that Cripps still got votes

To be fair, so did Koz....

2020 AFL RISING STAR LEADERBOARD

1. Caleb Serong (Fremantle) — 48 votes

2. Noah Anderson (Gold Coast Suns) — 39

3. Max King (St Kilda) — 28

4. Izak Rankine (Gold Coast Suns) — 16

5. Will Day (Hawthorn) — 12

6. Brandon Starcevich (Brisbane Lions) — 6

7. Kysaiah Pickett (Melbourne) — 1

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8 hours ago, DubDee said:

Yep, the next Rhys Palmer 

The award means little. Rowell is clearly the biggest rising star in the game 

The award does mean a bit look at the list of rising Star award winners, up until 2012 the only player that did not become a very good play was Phys Palmer, only 12 % of players play 100 games all of them played over that. But we do not need another inside mid, kossie will become a very good player, runs all day and both ways.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,878]

9 hours ago, olisik said:

Well there you have it. Serong named Rising star for 2020.

Who should we pick up in this years draft mate, who’s going to be the best? 

[dazzledavey36 55,004]

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Who should we pick up in this years draft mate, who’s going to be the best? 

Yep, glad you're bringing this up. Can't wait to tap into his insight knowledge again. He does his best work in here ?

Truth is Goodwin continues to talk about contested ball and we continue to draft players like Sparrow and Spargo while playing inside mids like Jones and Brayshaw on the wing and flank positions.

Taking Serong would be a disaster.

We went from prelims to 17th. Let’s that soak in.

Edited September 24, 2020 by dazzledavey36

[Ethan Tremblay 30,878]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yep, glad you're bringing this up. Can't wait to tap into his insight knowledge again. He does hus best work in here ?

Truth is Goodwin continues to talk about contested ball and we continue to draft players like Sparrow and Spargo while playing inside mids like Jones and Brayshaw on the wing and flank positions.

Taking Serong would be a disaster.

We went from prelims to 17th. Let’s that soak in.

A true hindsight hero is Olisik. Nice find DD. 

Edited September 25, 2020 by Ethan Tremblay

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9 hours ago, olisik said:

We traded pick 8 (Serong) to Freo for pick 10 (Pickett) and Pick 32 (Rivers)

Aside from the general problems I have with your posting/complaining, I just cannot see how anyone can look at this trade and be upset.

Rivers fits our needs more than Serong does (bearing in mind you yourself said during the lead up to last year's draft that we had no need for another inside mid like Serong) and has shown more than enough this year to suggest he'll be a really strong long-term player for us.

And then we get Pickett on top of that (and also a 4th round pick this year, which I suppose we could still use).

As far as I'm concerned it's a great result for us.

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33 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Aside from the general problems I have with your posting/complaining, I just cannot see how anyone can look at this trade and be upset.

Rivers fits our needs more than Serong does (bearing in mind you yourself said during the lead up to last year's draft that we had no need for another inside mid like Serong) and has shown more than enough this year to suggest he'll be a really strong long-term player for us.

And then we get Pickett on top of that (and also a 4th round pick this year, which I suppose we could still use).

As far as I'm concerned it's a great result for us.

It turned out to be a great result for both clubs.

Good on Serong for winning the award, but I'm more than content with our outcome from that draft as well.

[Lord Travis 10,743]

The trade was fine. Yes Serong looks a gun, but we got multiple players who have shown they can play their required roles for us long term.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

10 hours ago, olisik said:

Difference here is that Cripps still got votes

Missing the point mate. The Rising Star award doesn't define a players career or the context of what their importance to their team is and will become.

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Freo will be hoping their latest Rising star winner ends up being a Paul Haselby and not a Rhys Palmer

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13 hours ago, Pates said:

Cheers, for me since we got both Rivers and Pickett I’m pretty comfortable with the trade. Pickett’s biggest issue for me is his finishing, got himself into good spots plenty of times but failed to put it through the big sticks. 

Technically Rivers shouldn’t be part of the equation as we gave up a 2nd rounder as part of the pick swap (2019 2nd and 2020 first for pick 8).

We would have been able to draft him either way if we hadn’t done the swaps. It’s really down to just picket/serong

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23 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Freo will be hoping their latest Rising star winner ends up being a Paul Haselby and not a Rhys Palmer

Edit - misread and agree with you.

Edited September 25, 2020 by Watts the matter

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8 minutes ago, olisik said:

Technically Rivers shouldn’t be part of the equation as we gave up a 2nd rounder as part of the pick swap (2019 2nd and 2020 first for pick 8).

We would have been able to draft him either way if we hadn’t done the swaps. It’s really down to just picket/serong

That doesn't make any sense.

We would not have had the option of taking Rivers without trading the pick for Serong.

You are getting confused. You are talking about keeping our 2020 first rounder which means we still would not have Serong.

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On 9/25/2020 at 8:00 AM, don't make me angry said:

The award does mean a bit look at the list of rising Star award winners, up until 2012 the only player that did not become a very good play was Phys Palmer, only 12 % of players play 100 games all of them played over that. But we do not need another inside mid, kossie will become a very good player, runs all day and both ways.

There's a solid set of Rising Stars who go on to be just 'good' players rather than best of their draft. 

Just since Palmer you can point to Stephenson, Mills, Hogan, McGrath, Taylor, O'Meara, Talia.  I doubt their clubs are regretting drafting them (not even Melbourne, who ended up with May despite everything) and I doubt Fremantle will regret having Serong.

It's a shame Kysaiah played over the ten games in his first season and isn't eligible, or he could have mimicked his uncle and grabbed the award in his second year.  Of course, ol' uncy Byron turned out OK despite only getting two disposals in his first season.

With the condition Pickett seems to be in, there's a real chance he'll be twice the player he was in 2020.  Being involved in that many more contests, being that little bit less fatigued when taking shots, being that little bit harder and heavier when tackling.  We all know he's got the alertness and initiative to be great.

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On 9/4/2020 at 9:18 AM, Dr.D said:

im worried about pickett. he fumbles, he falls over, he goes too quick for his own good, he lacks composure, he can't read the play, his tackling is poor. Not sure he has the tools to make it.

Noticed any positive traits yet? ?

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21 hours ago, Grapeviney said:

Noticed any positive traits yet? ?

by far his best game and I'm glad to finally see him convert and apply better pressure around the ground. Credit where credit is due, he improved in a lot of these facets of the game in this game.  I definitely haven't seen this sort of performance in him until now so lets hope he backs it up. 

Another game where Jackson has shown not to be a forward though. So im still correct on that front. 

Edited March 28, 2021 by Dr.D

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1 minute ago, Dr.D said:

by far his best game and I'm glad to finally see him convert and apply better pressure around the ground. Credit where credit is due, he improved in a lot of these facets of the game in this game.  I definitely haven't seen this sort of performance in him until now so lets hope he backs it up. 

Another game where Jackson has shown not to be a forward though. So im still correct on that front. 

So another week and you still haven’t learnt to write off immensely talented 19 year olds..?

 

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38 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

So another week and you still haven’t learnt to write off immensely talented 19 year olds..?

 

He's right until he's wrong and then he moves on to being right about something else so he's only ever wrong for a moment.

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9 hours ago, Dr.D said:

by far his best game and I'm glad to finally see him convert and apply better pressure around the ground. Credit where credit is due, he improved in a lot of these facets of the game in this game.  I definitely haven't seen this sort of performance in him until now so lets hope he backs it up. 

Another game where Jackson has shown not to be a forward though. So im still correct on that front. 

If you were capable of learning lessons, the bolded bit is the key here, and would impact your final line.

[DubDee 25,921]

No doubt in my mind this will go down as a genius trade. Pickett is exactly what this club needs for so many reasons. 

and Rivers will play 200 games. Making a few errors but he will settle in. He has such confidence. 

Where would we play Serong if we had him anyway? 

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Soooooooooooooooooo very glad we have both Kossie and Riv playing for us?

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17 minutes ago, DubDee said:

No doubt in my mind this will go down as a genius trade. Pickett is exactly what this club needs for so many reasons. 

and Rivers will play 200 games. Making a few errors but he will settle in. He has such confidence. 

Where would we play Serong if we had him anyway? 

Pickett will be a gun and fills a massive need for us. Serong is a fine young player and will form part of a formidable Freo midfield unit for years to come. Both parties will be perfectly satisfied with this trade i reckon.

I guess we should acknowledge and thank North for facilitating the initial pick swap. They’ve netted Tom Powell this year but too early to tell if he’ll make it.