1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

I wasn't saying were are a good side.  I'm just saying the good sides know exactly how we will play and counter it with ease.  

Thats also my point 

We aren't a good side. So maybe your expectations are wrong?

Just saying

5 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I'm not one for going over the top.  I like to think I'm relatively measured in my responses.

But there was something deeply, deeply concerning about tonight's game.  It was almost like a car crash that you couldn't look away from.  Every time I went to turn it off I couldn't bring myself to do it.  I had to keep watching.  Just what in the world was going on here?

While we can blame the players and their skills and decision making, this one was lost in the box more than anything.  Goody is a very stubborn bugger and tonight it showed.

Example one - why, in such slippery conditions, would you play three tall forwards?  What was he hoping to achieve?  Was he trying to keep Tom happy by playing him?  Did he just think our bombing tactics would work no matter what?  By playing three talls, two of which are awful at ground level, he took away our pressure game somewhat and we got smashed when the ball hit the deck.  Too often Port waltzed it out and made us look silly going the other way.  It was a dumb, dumb decision.  

Example two - favourtism.  While I think some players get a run over others sometimes based on their skills and what they can bring to the side, he has stuck by too many for too long and I can't work out why.  Melksham stunk it up again.  Brayshaw had just 11 touches. Hannan had no influence again.  Jones looks absolutely cooked.  By playing a few of these guys our team is totally out of whack.  He is happy to cut someone like Tomlinson, who was no worse than those mentioned above, but he sticks by others who are in the same boat or worse.  Why?  What does he have to gain from it?  It sends a horrible message.

Example three - the gameplan.  Now, our players can take some responsibility here.  Their skills and decision making under pressure can be catastrophic.  But good sides work us out and we have no comeback for it.  For not the first time in Goodwin's time as coach, we went goalless in a quarter while having an absolute bucket load of inside 50s.  We had heaps and didn't look like scoring from one.  We kick to the wrong places, our forwards don't lead enough and we don't get enough numbers around the ball to keep it in there.  He might have changed the personnel a little, but the game plan remains the same.  It looks poor and we are our own worst enemy.

I'm hurting, like you all are, tonight.  I'm not going to call for Goodwin to be sacked, or to fling [censored] everywhere, but tonight was one of the worst performances we have put in for a long time.  Some might say the four day break hurt, but Port had one extra day plus travel and they had to deal with injuries.  We had to do neither.

I'm really worried right now about the direction of the club under Goodwin, and for the first time under his coaching, I'm not sure he can get us out of it.

Goodwin is not up to it. These are games that must be won. 
it was over in the first 2 minutes 

This Club needs the best Coach in the land, losing is so deeply ingrained. 
 

Ratten would have been good but that opportunity has gone

Goodwin has had his chance

Oscar McDonald got torched by a 3rd gamer.

And now getting an absolute serve by Lyon for his weak effort in the opening 5 minutes.

If I have to watch Tom McDonald attempt to football again I’m gonna throw up.

Not figuratively speaking either.

I will physically vomit as he lumbers out onto the ground.

He can take an uncontested mark. Provided he doesn’t have to jump more than half a foot in the air. And he can run a long distance. Very, very slowly.

That’s it. That’s all that is left of T Mac the footballer. Everything else is beyond him.

Please god. Please. God. No more. 

I turned it off after 10 minutes and checked the scores a bit later on. I feel pretty nonchalant about it, maybe I was expecting that performance, who knows. 

3 minutes ago, dimmy said:

Unfortunately our most prolific ball getters are among our worst disposal / decision making.  Therein lies our problem

Worth repeating.

So many turnovers, so many chains of possession that broke down. The once or twice we were able to string together a few possessions, we looked like a side. At least. DE of 66% (against their 78%) is always going to land you in a heap of trouble. Whatever else is happening, and you end up playing chase/catch-up footy.

 

I feel dirty but I felt sorry for the commentators. When you're supposed to be narrating a contest between 2 opponents and one of them decides it's in the too hard basket from the first bounce it must be very difficult to try to make your way through.

Someone like Luke Hodge who spent a career competing should never be made to commentate on that group of pea-hearted non competitors again.

8 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I'm not one for going over the top.  I like to think I'm relatively measured in my responses.

But there was something deeply, deeply concerning about tonight's game.  It was almost like a car crash that you couldn't look away from.  Every time I went to turn it off I couldn't bring myself to do it.  I had to keep watching.  Just what in the world was going on here?

While we can blame the players and their skills and decision making, this one was lost in the box more than anything.  Goody is a very stubborn bugger and tonight it showed.

Example one - why, in such slippery conditions, would you play three tall forwards?  What was he hoping to achieve?  Was he trying to keep Tom happy by playing him?  Did he just think our bombing tactics would work no matter what?  By playing three talls, two of which are awful at ground level, he took away our pressure game somewhat and we got smashed when the ball hit the deck.  Too often Port waltzed it out and made us look silly going the other way.  It was a dumb, dumb decision.  

Example two - favourtism.  While I think some players get a run over others sometimes based on their skills and what they can bring to the side, he has stuck by too many for too long and I can't work out why.  Melksham stunk it up again.  Brayshaw had just 11 touches. Hannan had no influence again.  Jones looks absolutely cooked.  By playing a few of these guys our team is totally out of whack.  He is happy to cut someone like Tomlinson, who was no worse than those mentioned above, but he sticks by others who are in the same boat or worse.  Why?  What does he have to gain from it?  It sends a horrible message.

Example three - the gameplan.  Now, our players can take some responsibility here.  Their skills and decision making under pressure can be catastrophic.  But good sides work us out and we have no comeback for it.  For not the first time in Goodwin's time as coach, we went goalless in a quarter while having an absolute bucket load of inside 50s.  We had heaps and didn't look like scoring from one.  We kick to the wrong places, our forwards don't lead enough and we don't get enough numbers around the ball to keep it in there.  He might have changed the personnel a little, but the game plan remains the same.  It looks poor and we are our own worst enemy.

I'm hurting, like you all are, tonight.  I'm not going to call for Goodwin to be sacked, or to fling [censored] everywhere, but tonight was one of the worst performances we have put in for a long time.  Some might say the four day break hurt, but Port had one extra day plus travel and they had to deal with injuries.  We had to do neither.

I'm really worried right now about the direction of the club under Goodwin, and for the first time under his coaching, I'm not sure he can get us out of it.

Agree with all... except your assessment of Jones. He was prob the only one with any poise tonight. 

Worst thing is.. this is it.. no high end talent waiting to come in, nothing to look forward to.. this is our best team!! 
 

Pathetic 

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Goodwin is not up to it. These are games that must be won. 
it was over in the first 2 minutes 

This Club needs the best Coach in the land, losing is so deeply ingrained. 
 

Ratten would have been good but that opportunity has gone

Goodwin has had his chance

Yes we have a history of knocking off the top to table sides

How dare he

appalling.

disgusting.

thats it.

I'm done. I'm leaving forever.

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I turned it off after 10 minutes and checked the scores a bit later on. I feel pretty nonchalant about it, maybe I was expecting that performance, who knows. 

Doesn’t count if your eyes didn’t bleed watching every minute of it. Weak ?

Well else you say but that was [censored]!! 

If we continue this should we look at trading Max to GWS for two of their guns?

Would be nice to let Max play finals and might give us a chance to get a player with skills.

We are souless so you wouldn't even rip our soul out by trading him.

2 minutes ago, P-man said:

If I have to watch Tom McDonald attempt to football again I’m gonna throw up.

I don't want to be one of those people who jumps the gun, as there are still plenty of games to be played, but if the club had some courage they would make some tough decisions at years end.

Where is Tom at?  Is he worth sticking with or moving on?

What about those who are just 'going'?  Harmes, Salem, Brayshaw... are they up to it or do they need a fresh start elsewhere, while we look at others or pocket a draft pick or two?

Do we nicely send Jones and Jetta off in to the sunset and look to the kids?

And, depending on how 2020 finishes, do we need to look very, very closely at Goodwin's job?

Who knows what next week will bring, but I'd wager that some tough decisions are coming.

4 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Good.  He is probably saying everything we wish we could be saying if a microphone got shoved in front of our face right now.

Garry annoys me sometimes, but he still loves the club, and that would have hurt to watch.

Let's have him choose our next coach

So much to be gutted by. Too raw to be get my head around that.game.

So I've just got one thing.

Tom McDonald is not in AFL shape. Physically. Or mentally. He is miles off.

It's not a form thing. It's a physically not up to an elite sport thing.

He was beyond a liability tonight. On a fast deck his complete lack of mobility and speed was shocking.

Exhibit A of an alphabet of examples. His inability to get close to marking that pass in the second quarter from Salem was laughable.

Sure it was yet another rubbish kick but he would have got to it in 2018

Which is not my issue. If he is not in shape  he is not in shape.

Allll of the above had to have been apparent to goody.

As fans we trust the club to know that as we cant watch him.train or plsy VFL. I fully expected him to be in ripping nick and raring to go. Or why else pick him?

My issue is how could goody arrive at the decision to pick him ? 

We had a near full list to choose from. And we pick a player not in shape. And a third tall firward to boot.

I simply don't understand.

Edited July 30, 20205 yr by binman

10 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

This is soul destroying. We won't come back from this. We need to get rid of the coach and start again. Get rid of some big names. Jones must have played his last game. Retire immediately. Salem, the McDonald's, Brayshaw, Weideman and even Oliver has to be on the trade table. We must go for Daniher Weideman is not up to it.

You've lost the plot. Daniher is an injury prone hack.

2 minutes ago, pinkshark said:

appalling.

disgusting.

thats it.

I'm done. I'm leaving forever.

You're not 

and you know it. Youre a lifer otherwise why would you be here posting?

Ahhh....Queensland. Beautiful one day. Disaster zone the next.

13 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I thought T Mac built into the game nicely.

Pathetic game for TMac. OMac was bloody useless, again. 

For OMac, just too slow for the one-on-ones on six occasions in the first quarter, alone. Four of these were goals to Port. Scaredy Cat in four contests as well in the same quarter and again, outside the packs to be out of harm's way without physical danger. GET RID OF HIM!

 

This is what happens when you have an assistant coach acting as GM for your club (Mahoney).

No forward coach, 2 picks for lever, drafting a basketballer, Richardson, Chaplin, Preuss, the list of poor decisions goes on and he continues to hide in the shadows.

Edited July 30, 20205 yr by olisik

1 minute ago, Giles said:

Let's have him choose our next coach

Worked out well last time

1 minute ago, binman said:

So much to be gutted by. Too are to be get my head around that.

So I've just got one thing.

Tom McDonald is not in AFL shape. Physically. Or mentally. He is miles off.

It's not a form thing. It's a not physically up to an elite sport thing.

He was beyond a liability tonight. On a fast deck his complete lack of mobility and speed was shocking.

Exhibit A of an alphabet of examples. His inability to get close to marking that pass in the second quarter from Salem was laughable.

Sure it was yet another rubbish kick but he would have got to it in 2018

Which is not my issue. If he is not in shape  he is not in shape.

Allll of the above had to have been apparent to goody.

As fans we trust the club to know that as we cant watch him.train or plsy VFL. I fully expected him to be in ripping nick and raring to go. Or why else pick him?

My issue is how could goody arrive at the decision to pick him ? 

We had a near full list to choose from. And we pick a player not in shape. And a third tall firward to boot.

I simply don't understand.

Im disappointed the cheer squad can't make banners.

What has the world come to?