Kick outs

[Elegt 872]

Its ridiculous how predictable our kick outs are. Other teams vary their kick outs and always seem to get it to the 40m mark uncontested before having to kick to a contest. Our kick out strategy has been the same since the Jamar days (kick long to the flank to the ruckman). Brisbane obviously knew this as they were stacking the gawn flank tonight.  We need variation. Its costing us goals 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Go to bed.

[DeeSpencer 24,816]

Well we tried the middle twice and that didn't work either.

Tried short and linking handballs and that wasn't great.

A lot of teams going the 2 short kicks around the boundary below the long kick but that creates 2 issues:

1. You have to defend a more open back 50 if it comes back in
2. The other side has even more time to roll numbers to the boundary, and to set up their zone deeper behind that.

We try to go to Gawn quickly, knowing that if we lose it we're still got numbers in the backline and if we win it we've got room to hit the wings and run forward.

[spirit of norm smith 15,326]

13 hours ago, Elegt said:

Its ridiculous how predictable our kick outs are. Other teams vary their kick outs and always seem to get it to the 40m mark uncontested before having to kick to a contest. Our kick out strategy has been the same since the Jamar days (kick long to the flank to the ruckman). Brisbane obviously knew this as they were stacking the gawn flank tonight.  We need variation. Its costing us goals 

Agree 100%.  It’s the same each time.  Even the one try to kick long was to Gawn.  It’s so predictable that other clubs just crowd around Gawn and actually outnumber us.  
 

Answer.  More movement.  I watched the Eagles yesterday and their kick ins are sharp and creative. They used it to rebound often to the wing and beyond. Not always to the ruckman!!  

[Nasher 33,607]

They’re predictable by design: so the players know how to set up. Sit down and watch a neutral game and focus on kickouts, and I think you’ll see all the teams only have one or two variations on their kickins.

We do actually seem to have a couple of plays in the book: May long to Gawn on a flank, May long to Gawn in the middle, and a Salem driven short kick navigation out. Kicking it to Gawn seems like a pretty high percentage play I think.

Last time we had a player who wasn’t predictable with kickins, we had Gawn saying in the media afterwards, “he forgot to tell us he was going long”, it lost us the game and the next time said player took to the field again, it was in a Collingwood jumper.

[titan_uranus 24,755]

Where's @Jumping Jack Clennett? His favourite topic!

The reality is going to Gawn on the flank is a safe option provided we set up properly. We occasionally get funky, and we have the short kick to the pocket option which we use a bit too.

I'm comfortable enough with it.

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,751]

Here I am, Titan!!!

When we are  less than a goal behind, with very little time to go, Gawn should do a dummy lead out wide, taking the opposition's spoilers and crumbers with him.

Another marking tall(??Petracca Weed or TMac) and lots of our crumbers should lead to the centre circle.  It's mandatory for the defenders  to go straight up the centre  in these circumstances. Our guys should be drilled in this basic set-play.

I reckon the "safe" option of kicking wide to Gawn works only about one in 5 to 10 tries.

Another of my hobby-horses is the necessity for our players to know there's less than 20 sec or so before a quarter or half, time break, and especially before the end of the game. It's frustrating when one of our players has the ball in the centre, there's 15 sec to go, and he does a short kick back or wide. There's no downside or risk to ROOSTING the thing toward the goalsquare under these circumstances. If the oppsition get it, there isn't time for them to rebound up the other end.        20 sec to go could be signalled with a red light or placard from the interchange area.

 

[Elegt 872]

On 7/26/2020 at 11:24 PM, Lord Nev said:

Go to bed.

Yep. Second goal tonight perfect example

[Elegt 872]

Seemed like we continued with the same theme tonight as we have for the past 5 years (kick long to Gawn on the flank). Desperately need some variation, this is one of my quips with goodwin, no structure

[DeeSpencer 24,816]

13 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Seemed like we continued with the same theme tonight as we have for the past 5 years (kick long to Gawn on the flank). Desperately need some variation, this is one of my quips with goodwin, no structure

Your concern we have no structure when we keep playing the same well drilled structure?

I think we should take the short to the pocket to kill more time and get further down the wing, but unless we get more defenders with good skills and some hard running, big, gun kicking mids we're likely to play it safe and play to our strengths.

[Elegt 872]

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Your concern we have no structure when we keep playing the same well drilled structure?

I think we should take the short to the pocket to kill more time and get further down the wing, but unless we get more defenders with good skills and some hard running, big, gun kicking mids we're likely to play it safe and play to our strengths.

its just predictable thats all, good teams know to crowd the flank with gawn on it

[Stevienic23 1,183]

Bring back the huddle!

[Gorgoroth 12,717]

Surely you have Brown or Weid run the other flank and split their defenders, I know we want a re set but gee teams get a lot of repeat entries from our kick outs.

[Redleg 40,293]

24 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Surely you have Brown or Weid run the other flank and split their defenders, I know we want a re set but gee teams get a lot of repeat entries from our kick outs.

That is a definite area that needs work. Why do we not use empty ground space up the corridor or on the other side to Gawn. I don’t think Gawn took one mark from the kickoff last night and it did lead to repeat opposition entries. 

[Gorgoroth 12,717]

27 minutes ago, Redleg said:

That is a definite area that needs work. Why do we not use empty ground space up the corridor or on the other side to Gawn. I don’t think Gawn took one mark from the kickoff last night and it did lead to repeat opposition entries. 

If we do it a few times then switch it up to the other side in a planned move to have say, Hunt, Bakker, Langdon on that side alone and to kick it past them and let them run onto it, not many catch them if it gets out the back.

[dees189227 12,244]

This has been my bug bear for years. The same kick out has been happening the same way. We kick it to the ruckman out near the boundary.

Someone needs to change it. We never look at other options. I also look at other teams and how they manage to kick it out easily, quickly and find a target. 

[low flying Robbo 979]

I noticed 1 time where we stacked the field to go right late in the game last night, then Hunt made a gut busting sprint out to the left. May thought about going to him but he must have thought he didn’t have enough separation from his man. Good to see Kossie saw this too and took off to the same wing further down to be the next man in the potential play

[pineapple dee 2,892]

53 minutes ago, low flying Robbo said:

I noticed 1 time where we stacked the field to go right late in the game last night, then Hunt made a gut busting sprint out to the left. May thought about going to him but he must have thought he didn’t have enough separation from his man. Good to see Kossie saw this too and took off to the same wing further down to be the next man in the potential play

 

53 minutes ago, low flying Robbo said:

I noticed 1 time where we stacked the field to go right late in the game last night, then Hunt made a gut busting sprint out to the left. May thought about going to him but he must have thought he didn’t have enough separation from his man. Good to see Kossie saw this too and took off to the same wing further down to be the next man in the potential play

I wondered who it was who ran 80 metres at full tilt to present an alternative to May at that moment. 

Doesnt really surprise me that it was Hunt. Loved seeing that

[old dee 23,506]

Why is there still a ten metre goal square on the ground?

Edited September 13, 2020 by old dee

[bandicoot 1,395]

This typifies goodwins lack of coaching skill. 4 years into a role and still doesn’t have a plan for kick outs.. 

[Fat Tony 5,105]

25 minutes ago, old dee said:

Why is there still a ten metre goal square on the ground?

6,6,6 rule requires one in the square. 

If you take a mark in the square the angle of the kick is straight in front.

Also, the square is a starting point for where you need to be before a kick in. 

[FireInTheBennelly 4,060]

I don't mind the consistency/safety of it, but what is extremely painful is the ignoring of other easy options. Several times each game we'll have an unmarked player straight up the ground and not even consider the option. Team rules are good, but they need to be flexible if other options present.

[Skuit 9,983]

I don't understand why teams haven't come up with a better strategy for kicking straight down the guts. I get the angles create a risk, but if you were well-drilled to set up both defensively and offensively for the kick then I think it could be a huge advantage. Even with even numbers it never seems to come off in favour of the attacking team. 

[Redleg 40,293]

2 hours ago, low flying Robbo said:

I noticed 1 time where we stacked the field to go right late in the game last night, then Hunt made a gut busting sprint out to the left. May thought about going to him but he must have thought he didn’t have enough separation from his man. Good to see Kossie saw this too and took off to the same wing further down to be the next man in the potential play

This type of play would make us a more dangerous side and increase scoring opportunities, but for some unknown reason it is not in our play book.

[Biffen 12,870]

We need to attack through the centre more with runners each side of the target.

We need to attack through the centre more in general if we are playing to win.