3 hours ago, DeeZone said:

CF I doubt that he would still be there if he was a failure, we have a strong coaching team and he must be meeting their expectations on a regular basis.

Think the failure is masked by the team's success. He should be elite, up there with the best mids going round.  Goodie is extremely stubborn. He stuck fat with Oscar McD for ages & persisted with Fritter & Harmes played out of position long after most supporters had worked it out.

No secret that Gus's last game wasnt great.

But im hoping he gets amongst it this weekend and back to his best. And in time for finals.

Hes not going anywhere.

Has been solid for most of the year.

Think the failure is masked by the team's success. He should be elite, up there with the best mids going round.  Goodie is extremely stubborn. He stuck fat with Oscar McD for ages & persisted with Fritter & Harmes played out of position long after most supporters had worked it out.

I agree I still believe he should be in the guts full stop, Trac, Clarry and Gus seem to have a connection when he gets the chance to get in there.

On 8/17/2021 at 6:03 AM, Dee Zephyr said:

The top 5 players on the ground for average speed in defence against the Crows were ours and Brayshaw was the number one player on the ground in that category. I think he’s had a marvellous season and has worked his butt off helping the team defend. I feel we try and find faults when they’re really not there sometimes. 

Are you suggesting there might be a perception bias on Demonland?! 

15 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Agree - he was terrible & has been ordinary all year. Gets good PR from his podcasts & is a nice guy which seems to mitigate the criticism he receives but has been a failure as a wing

He's playing a selfless role and playing as the defensive winger, if he had failed, in the season that we have had, and with the lack of injuries our side has had then why would Goodwin and match committee done something about it? Because he is playing his role for the team, and does it well. 

Do you know who plays on the other wing to Andrew Gaff?  I don't... In fact the only team where I know both wingers is Brisbane where they have McCluggage and Robinson, and thats really only cos Robbo is a bit of a nutter.  Most clubs dont play 2 dominant wingmen. 

13 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

He's playing a selfless role and playing as the defensive winger, if he had failed, in the season that we have had, and with the lack of injuries our side has had then why would Goodwin and match committee done something about it? Because he is playing his role for the team, and does it well. 

Do you know who plays on the other wing to Andrew Gaff?  I don't... In fact the only team where I know both wingers is Brisbane where they have McCluggage and Robinson, and thats really only cos Robbo is a bit of a nutter.  Most clubs dont play 2 dominant wingmen. 

I'd say most top sides play 2 predominant wingman. 

Other than brisbane there's 

Geelong - Smith and Menegola

Dogs - Hunter and Smith

Port - Amon and Duursma 

It's a clear flaw of ours having no outside class and skills and I think a skilful wingman to pair with langdon would be incredibly beneficial 

1 minute ago, Simon Port said:

I'd say most top sides play 2 predominant wingman. 

Other than brisbane there's 

Geelong - Smith and Menegola

Dogs - Hunter and Smith

Port - Amon and Duursma 

It's a clear flaw of ours having no outside class and skills and I think a skilful wingman to pair with langdon would be incredibly beneficial 

yep... its a clear flaw, I mean look at where we are on the ladder 🙄

2 minutes ago, Simon Port said:

I'd say most top sides play 2 predominant wingman. 

Other than brisbane there's 

Geelong - Smith and Menegola

Dogs - Hunter and Smith

Port - Amon and Duursma 

It's a clear flaw of ours having no outside class and skills and I think a skilful wingman to pair with langdon would be incredibly beneficial 

Bailey Smith is played out of position. He is an inside mid. Granted he has a better outside game than Gus.

1 hour ago, Ouch! said:

He's playing a selfless role and playing as the defensive winger, if he had failed, in the season that we have had, and with the lack of injuries our side has had then why would Goodwin and match committee done something about it? Because he is playing his role for the team, and does it well. 

Do you know who plays on the other wing to Andrew Gaff?  I don't... In fact the only team where I know both wingers is Brisbane where they have McCluggage and Robinson, and thats really only cos Robbo is a bit of a nutter.  Most clubs dont play 2 dominant wingmen. 

For people to point out obscure statistics as proof that a winger who got 6 touches actually played a good game is something new for me.

Poor old Oskar Baker picked up 15 touches on a wing v North & was dropped.

2 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

For people to point out obscure statistics as proof that a winger who got 6 touches actually played a good game is something new for me.

Poor old Oskar Baker picked up 15 touches on a wing v North & was dropped.

Obscure stats?  exactly where did I say anything about stats sorry?  It's you that is basing facts apparently off a single game's stats of a 6 touch game. My point is that stats aren't everything!

On the body of work for the team, Brayshaw is playing as a the defensive wingman and it's a clearly defined and selfless role that he has taken on. It's not a sexy role for sure, and I'm not even saying Brayshaw has had the best season of his life, but he's played a team role most weeks that has allowed others in the team to shine. 

Brayshaw is just really slow off the mark. That makes him a complete no go for the centre square, because if he doesn’t win it he’s a liability. He worked in that role in 2018 because we had guys off the back of the square covering.

He’s had a solid year on the wing, with some big ups and downs.

When the team structure breaks down he gets absolutely caught out. When there’s pressure on and teams bomb long he gobbles up intercepts.

In an ideal world he’d be able to sprint up and back, still get the intercepts but actually provide some attack too. And close off his winger rather than allow them to mark the pressure relieving kick from the backline.

We just have to be alert to his match up and if there’s games he needs to be moved. He was torched by GWS. The next week against the Power he played more half forward and would swap on ball with Tracc after centre bounces. That’s a role we have to consider using him in.

It’s also hardly a surprise that Langdon, Brayshaw and JJ might all be a bit down on output after a huge year. JJ’s had a freshen up. I wish they’d give Langdon a quieter week too. Maybe Gus needs a freshen or it might just be a mental thing with the travel, short break, not a lot to play for against the Crows.

I think Brayshaw has adjusted well to his new role this year, it’s not all smooth sailing but I think given more time he will continue to improve in that role. Not every wing need to be run and gun like Langdon, my main knock against him is that he completely shanks a few kicks a game not unlike trac, if he can tidy that up I think a lot of the criticism will go away. 

Just now, Garbo said:

I think Brayshaw has adjusted well to his new role this year, it’s not all smooth sailing but I think given more time he will continue to improve in that role. Not every wing need to be run and gun like Langdon, my main knock against him is that he completely shanks a few kicks a game not unlike trac, if he can tidy that up I think a lot of the criticism will go away. 

This isn't a new role for him, he has been on a wing for the past couple of seasons.  He needs to find the balance like Langdon has defensive running V attacking, seems to me he struggles to do both whether he doesn't have the tank to run both ways is the question.  He was pushed out if the centre square group due to lack of defensive running, seems now he runs defensively but has little impact on the attack.

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Brayshaw is just really slow off the mark. That makes him a complete no go for the centre square, because if he doesn’t win it he’s a liability. He worked in that role in 2018 because we had guys off the back of the square covering.

He’s had a solid year on the wing, with some big ups and downs.

When the team structure breaks down he gets absolutely caught out. When there’s pressure on and teams bomb long he gobbles up intercepts.

In an ideal world he’d be able to sprint up and back, still get the intercepts but actually provide some attack too. And close off his winger rather than allow them to mark the pressure relieving kick from the backline.

We just have to be alert to his match up and if there’s games he needs to be moved. He was torched by GWS. The next week against the Power he played more half forward and would swap on ball with Tracc after centre bounces. That’s a role we have to consider using him in.

It’s also hardly a surprise that Langdon, Brayshaw and JJ might all be a bit down on output after a huge year. JJ’s had a freshen up. I wish they’d give Langdon a quieter week too. Maybe Gus needs a freshen or it might just be a mental thing with the travel, short break, not a lot to play for against the Crows.

Ian Stewart, Adrian Fletcher & Greg Williams all say hello. All were just as slow or slower than Gus & all ruled the centre square.

3 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

For people to point out obscure statistics as proof that a winger who got 6 touches actually played a good game is something new for me.

Poor old Oskar Baker picked up 15 touches on a wing v North & was dropped.

I guess, Cranky, that some of the people in the club who know a bit more than us, like the match committee and coaching panel who have us top of the ladder, obviously see this quite differently.

37 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Ian Stewart, Adrian Fletcher & Greg Williams all say hello. All were just as slow or slower than Gus & all ruled the centre square.

Anyone from this century? About as relevant as saying John Nicholls would still be a good ruckman at 189cm these days.

Gus is actually pretty quick once he builds pace too. I don’t know if the concussions played a role or if it’s a physical thing but he gets completely burnt off the mark.

 

Brayshaw ran a sub 2.9 second 20m in his draft year, so he's not slow off the mark.

I'm not sure why they haven't given Toby Bedford a go on the wing, he is supposed to have similar speed and stamina attributes like Ed Langdon.  

1 hour ago, JAG001 said:

I'm not sure why they haven't given Toby Bedford a go on the wing, he is supposed to have similar speed and stamina attributes like Ed Langdon.  

You’re describing athletic capability. Langdon has risen to AA calculations because he wins so much football and is getting better at distributing it.

Toby may become a player but speed and stamina aren’t half of it.

20 hours ago, Simon Port said:

I'd say most top sides play 2 predominant wingman. 

Other than brisbane there's 

Geelong - Smith and Menegola

Dogs - Hunter and Smith

Port - Amon and Duursma 

It's a clear flaw of ours having no outside class and skills and I think a skilful wingman to pair with langdon would be incredibly beneficial 

yes and return Gus to the middle for gods sake

20 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

For people to point out obscure statistics as proof that a winger who got 6 touches actually played a good game is something new for me.

Poor old Oskar Baker picked up 15 touches on a wing v North & was dropped.

You’ve lost all credibility by stating that (not that you really had any). Baker is not even close to Gus as a player, but ultimately you are not listening to what the arguments for him are. He protects critical zones to prevent the opposition from getting easy balls out, the fact we are not easily scored against is in no small part to his running patterns. He has had some higher number days with involvements, last week wasn’t one of them and yeah I’d like to see him get more of the ball. But don’t expect Brayshaw to be going anywhere soon, he is essential to our system and is playing a hugely sacrificial team role to allow Langers to do what he want on the other wing. 

Edited August 19, 20214 yr by Pates

I think many are on the super generous side when it comes to Brayshaw.

Honestly i expect more from him.  He has never had the desire to run both ways, and he still does not work hard enough both ways.

Langdon is the one that is always getting back,.  But also running hard the other way to create something offensively.

Brayshaw has improved dramatically this year but is still not what i would call a dynamic winger.

Plays his role but if we are serious we should be looking for replacements for that wing.

 

43 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

I think many are on the super generous side when it comes to Brayshaw.

Honestly i expect more from him.  He has never had the desire to run both ways, and he still does not work hard enough both ways.

Langdon is the one that is always getting back,.  But also running hard the other way to create something offensively.

Brayshaw has improved dramatically this year but is still not what i would call a dynamic winger.

Plays his role but if we are serious we should be looking for replacements for that wing.

 

You maybe correct N but Gus is our best option at present, I am sure that JT will be looking for a suitable alternative, that is probably why we went so hard for Smith last year. With a good pre season maybe De Classe could fill this role? Or maybe Tomlinson will go back there now that Harrison Petty has stepped up in the backline.

Edited August 20, 20214 yr by DeeZone

Brayshaw is having a very good year based on the role he's been asked to play. 

18 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

Brayshaw ran a sub 2.9 second 20m in his draft year, so he's not slow off the mark.

I commented on this at the time and can't prove anything, but i 100% (money back guarantee :P) sure that that the sprint time recorded was an error. Either the tester recorded someone else's score in his place or he was allowed to start a meter back and had built up a bit of velocity when he crossed the start line and timing started (this then leads to a much quicker 20m time as it's the first few steps that are the slow point).

Gary Rohan and Lewis jetta who were both drafted as an explosive and quick player had best 20m sprint times of 2.93 and 2.95 and they are much much faster than Brayshaw. I just want people to stop looking at a number and using it as a fact when blind freddie can see that it's an error (it's like someone swapped jayden hunts sprint time around with Brayshaw and now everyone thinks hunts slow - anyone can see that Hunts fast, but if i pull out a stat saying Hunts sprint time is 3.3 seconds over 20m it doesn't make me right).

Further, it's hard to break the 3 second barrier, 2.9 is ridiculously fast and would go to the top 1% of players in the AFL for speed (if he had that he would be a completely different footballer than we see on the field - think chase down tackles, sprinting away with ease from opponents, etc.)