Rd 01: Weideman vs Jackson

[Watts the matter 1,235]

A fairly big issue going into round 1 is who our backup ruckman will be. I was surprised to see the hit-out stats after todays game, it seemed like Ceglar would dominate Jackson, then Jackson would dominate the Hawks backup. Admittedly, I have never been a Weideman fan but was very disappointed with his game, apart from one nice mark.

Stats vs Hawthorn:

Weideman: 4 kick, 4 handballs, 3 marks, 1 tackle and 2 hit-outs from 65% TOG

Jackson: 1 kick, 4 handballs, 1 mark, 4 tackles and 12 hit-outs from 49% TOG

Who are you taking?

[Moonshadow 16,367]

Both.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Petty. 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,313]

Jackson plays with an extra small in Weid’s place.

[Docs Demons 1,671]

No brainer. Weids is miles in front of Jackson at this stage. Jackson played a half, and at that the 2nd half when opposition were tiring however every time got pushed off the ball. Needs plenty of time at Casey. In a year or two Jacko will be miles in front of Weids . He is just not ready at moment.

[JakovichScissorKick 771]

Too bad Petty is injured. He would be ahead of both.

I would go with Luke Jackson if the choice is between he and Weid.  At least he can play as a true ruck and keep teams guessing with his crazy athleticism.

I have no idea what Weid brings to the team at this stage

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by JakovichScissorKick

[Demonland 66,180]

[WERRIDEE 5,239]

Neither just have McDonald back up ruck he's doing nothing up forward. Weid drops too many marks and Jackson is too raw.

[Redleg 37,930]

31 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Petty. 

Would be playing if fit and is ahead of Weid.

Weid just seems to drop most attempts at a mark, while Petty has great hands.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

14 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Because I want to win.

Would be very risky to take two low output players over there.

[Willmoy1947 3,810]

Not an issue. One was trying his best to get a game next week, the other was trying his best in the game.

[Demonland 66,180]

8 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Because I want to win.

Would be very risky to take two low output players over there.

To be honest I really just wanted to use the gif. 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,588]

28 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Neither just have McDonald back up ruck he's doing nothing up forward. Weid drops too many marks and Jackson is too raw.

Agree.  To some point.  I think Weids will come good, he clunked a few good ones tonight.  But I agree with T Mac as backup and playing Brown as the second tall forward as I think he is actually the other in form and has a good record of being pretty handy for a few goals a game.

[DeeSpencer 23,378]

Really not sure if we go with 2 or 3 talls.

Tom McDonald has to be in the side but he's looked very rusty. Does putting him the ruck help his game?

I'm far from a Brown fan but he does at least lead up and draw the ball towards him. Doubt he can or will want to do anything in the ruck.

Weideman doesn't get his hand on many hit outs but he can be useful at ground level and around the ground he's at least getting hands to the marks which means he's not being out marked!

The biggest worry I have with Jackson is he doesn't look at all comfortable in around the ground marking contests. Sometimes he'll end up in the right spot and then will have a nice jump at it but far too often he's either way under the ball or unable to get to it - either caught behind or off to the side. 

We've been so spoilt having Gawn dominate the air but really competing in the air and not getting destroyed when you're at the long down the line contests is almost a rucks most important job these days. You can lose all the hit outs but still be of value at stoppages, but you can't let teams take advantage of you when you're under the long kicks.

[Chook 14,605]

Jackson should not play this year unless we get injuries. He's a kid. A tall talented kid, but I mean c'mon it's like putting a baby giraffe into a battlefield. Yeah the giraffe might stomp someone but it's not the place he belongs.

[dworship 3,342]

21 minutes ago, Chook said:

Jackson should not play this year unless we get injuries. He's a kid. A tall talented kid, but I mean c'mon it's like putting a baby giraffe into a battlefield. Yeah the giraffe might stomp someone but it's not the place he belongs.

Nice analogy!

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,588]

Makes you appreciate the value of having Preuss as backup once he gets over his injury.  He may be a bit slow (though hopefully a bit slimmer and fitter this year), but he does provide a pretty decent contest.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,588]

1 hour ago, Chook said:

Jackson should not play this year unless we get injuries. He's a kid. A tall talented kid, but I mean c'mon it's like putting a baby giraffe into a battlefield. Yeah the giraffe might stomp someone but it's not the place he belongs.

I wasn't all that impressed last week to be honest and thought we would have been better off playing Brown against the Hawks as more of a dress rehearsal for a fortnights time in Perth.  Was also a bit concerned with T Mac's lack of impact against the Hawks and so really think we need a big man with form on their side to play the Eagles.

[binman 39,003]

I had thought jackson was a real chance of playing round 1. But agree with chook that he needs some time at Casey and I think that will happen.

Kozzie on the other hand.......

[loges 6,216]

Don't know who comes out, but I think Brown has to play.

[Wells 11 4,846]

It was the first time I’ve seen Jackson and tbh I was a bit shocked at how far off the pace he looked. He’s got a full year at Casey coming up with perhaps a game or two late in the season. He’s out of my 2020 plans but firmly in my 2021 thoughts. 

[waynewussell 4,093]

Can't believe the posters who think Jackson looked ordinary... Take a closer look! He got pushed around in the first two or three ruck contests, but then adjusted. As the second half progressed he began to get his hands to the ball first and we started to take it away from the contests. His follow up work is elite and he wasn't afraid to tackle with vigour. If you think he will be playing at Casey for most of the year, you don't recognise 'star' quality when its right in front of you!

[Jaded No More 58,831]

No way should we rush Jackson. 
Weid has to be pushed along and needs the game time to develop at this level. 
I feel bad for him as rucking is clearly not a natural skill, but he’s learning out of necessity. 
 

Jackson should play VFL and have fun learning and getting physically stronger. A game towards the end of the year as a taster and a reward for effort would suffice. 

[Bitter but optimistic 21,486]

38 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

Can't believe the posters who think Jackson looked ordinary... Take a closer look! He got pushed around in the first two or three ruck contests, but then adjusted. As the second half progressed he began to get his hands to the ball first and we started to take it away from the contests. His follow up work is elite and he wasn't afraid to tackle with vigour. If you think he will be playing at Casey for most of the year, you don't recognise 'star' quality when its right in front of you!

Agree entirely wayne.  I am really impressed with this kid - he's clearly got football smarts.

[Neil Crompton 4,817]

I believe we should play both of them. 

Having Jackson in the side allows the Weid to concentrate on the role we signed him up for - a KPF. Personally i don't want to see Weideman as a back up ruck, and the longer we use him in that role, the longer it will take for him to develop his KPF skills. Just look at what we did to Fritsch last year playing him down back, when he is a natural forward. Necessity last year? maybe, but with Jackson available, we don't need to do that to the Weid.

Jackson is so raw, but even so, I think this kid is special. Agree with Wayne and BBO that the kid was learning and adapting and eventually winning last night. It was like watching your kid successfully learn to ride a bike for the first time - it was great to watch. Happy to allow this kid to develop his skills among the big boys.