1 minute ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

gil was meant to front a presser at 5pm but it's obviously delayed

The Friday 5pm presser, the great mic drop timezone

28 minutes ago, dl4e said:

To put it bluntly this virus is only a concern for the elderly. Look at the death rates. Most people hardly know they are crook.

I thought so until I remembered that the Chinese doctor who tried to sound the alert back in December, and was arrested and interrogated for his trouble, died of Covid-19 in February and he was in his 30s.

6 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I have no doubt the anecdotes mean it 'escaped' by accident; certainly not released deliberately and I wasn't trying to imply such.  Why would China do that in their own back yard?

 

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Oh thats easy LH. There are way too many of them.

2 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

I thought so until I remembered that the Chinese doctor who tried to sound the alert back in December, and was arrested and interrogated for his trouble, died of Covid-19 in February and he was in his 30s.

True and there will always be exceptions to every rule. Also how much of the virus was he exposed to and can you get it more than once.

So the PM announces events with more than 500 people shouldn't go ahead and then says he plans to go to an NRL game.   A bet each way.   Or maybe he chose the number 500 because he knows the average size of an NRL crowd is fewer.

 

41 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Dieter, your odious intimidation efforts are not helping anyone.  I've put forward a pretty straightforward set of copiously verified facts with clear cause and effect relationships.

- that the dismal animal welfare and workplace safety cultures and laws of many countries, but most particularly the globally integrated ones headlined by China, is a major factor in this, previous, and likely future novel contagions.

- that the cover-up first response culture of many authoritarian countries, but most particularly the globally integrated ones headlined by China, is a major factor in virus' being enabled to spread beyond an initial outbreak.

 

Failure to deal with the reality of the situation actually provides racists with a cloak to cover their vileness - based on your response any given racist can now say 'Look, the PC police won't even let us talk about the failings of a repressive totalitarian state.'

I speak from a position of resentment on this because I have watched as this knee-jerk 'it's racist' reaction has provided a similar cloak to awful reactionaries across the world who have successfully branded things like human rights, free press, women's liberation, and so on as 'western/white conspiracies' sent to undermine the 'unity' of the 'natural order'.  From Turkey to Indonesia to Sri Lanka, there's hardly a repressive government that hasn't claimed that, say, Amnesty International is actually just a front for white cultural imperialism.

Dieter, your thoughtless aggression harms people I care about.  Please take some time to reflect on the conspiracy theorist tones of your post I have quoted and whether that is really how you want to relate to the world.

 

I speak from bitter experience about the nature of 'factual evidence' when presented from the armchairs of people who smugly point the fingers at the misdeeds of 'others', especially if at some time in recent  history the 'others' have been the subject of our white supremacist superiority complexes, E.G. the White Australian Policy, Two Wongs don't make a white, Made in China therefore inferior, etc etc.

There is much misinformation about this virus already which has lead to the toilet paper hoarding pandemic, and, more than anything, absolutely nobody is totally sure about where this virus originates. That it broke out in Wuhan seems to be true. We know hardly anything else for sure which hasn't stopped certain members on this site telling us that it's because people in that region eat the heads off frogs, that they eat live bats etc etc etc. We live in a strange country in strange times. We live in a country where Credlin and Bolt and The Australian tell us that the horrendous bush fires were started by arsonists,  that they had nothing to do with climate change,  we live in a country where a member of Parliament tells her constituents and anyone who listens that men don't commit domestic violence, that it's all made up to deprive poor fathers of the custody of their children, we live in a country where an ex Prime Minister won't 'resile' from invading Iraq based on totally fictitious lies and propaganda. 

So call me a 'conspiracy theorist' if that is your wonton, I don't care. All I know for sure is that the media constantly lies to us, as does our Prime Minister. I also believe - because I try to use my brain - that most of the stuff we 'know' about Russia and China is bulldust.

Furthermore, mention has been made of the way the Chinese treat their animals. Wow, this comes from the inhabitants of a country where the way sheep, cattle and horses have been treated in the Live Export saga should hang their bloody heads in shame rather than pointing at the finger at the way other countries treat their animals. 

I also add that China is a country of billions of people. That they have managed to stay pandemic free for so long ought to be lauded.

nrl first; games from round 2 in empty stadia

afl to follow suit for round 1 you'd expect

It was a done deal on empty stadia earlier this week.

The bigger question is around cancellation of games all together as if a player tests positive and has been training/playing against opposition you are half a chance to knock out 6 teams before the first player shows symptoms.

Think the codes will end up following the NBA lead and suspend play before round 1

 

Dutton has it haha.

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

christ.  i've my 40th coming up in 3 weeks! 

I would argue it is essential though

Why are you celebrating your 40th DubDee, you are already well into middle-age. 

46 minutes ago, dl4e said:

No and I go about life as normal. physical activity leads to breathlesness but you get it back after a few seconds rest. Still I think this corona virus has been exagerated by the media and politicians. The flu may kill more people than this but only time will tell. They don't seem too concerned about the flu do they.

Its about 9 - 10 times more lethal than the Flu, for those who are vulnerable to it.

7 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Dutton has it haha.

Classy

56 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Totally agree the reaction is 'mindless insanity':  approx 130,000 diagnosed cases worldwide, some 5,000 deaths worldwide.

Over about 1 month.?   Since the virus was announced in December 2019.   It's in its infancy, atmo..

 

If.? it was a release..   A Rogue nation wouldn't release it without having a vaccine.

How are the numbers growing in China, at present?

Edited March 13, 20205 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

No crowds for Round 1. Perfect conditions to play Eagles in Perth

Hey a positive if the games are supposed to be played in front of no one next week. The west coast fans won't be booing & can't influence the umpires decision. 

33 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Dutton has it haha.

Send him to Christmas Island.

Unless we charter a plane and stay in a professionally cleaned and double checked hotel I wouldn't send a team to Perth.

Airports, planes, hotels - that's too much movement.

23 minutes ago, dieter said:

I speak from bitter experience about the nature of 'factual evidence' when presented from the armchairs of people who smugly point the fingers at the misdeeds of 'others', especially if at some time in recent  history the 'others' have been the subject of our white supremacist superiority complexes, E.G. the White Australian Policy, Two Wongs don't make a white, Made in China therefore inferior, etc etc.

There is much misinformation about this virus already which has lead to the toilet paper hoarding pandemic, and, more than anything, absolutely nobody is totally sure about where this virus originates. That it broke out in Wuhan seems to be true. We know hardly anything else for sure which hasn't stopped certain members on this site telling us that it's because people in that region eat the heads off frogs, that they eat live bats etc etc etc. We live in a strange country in strange times. We live in a country where Credlin and Bolt and The Australian tell us that the horrendous bush fires were started by arsonists,  that they had nothing to do with climate change,  we live in a country where a member of Parliament tells her constituents and anyone who listens that men don't commit domestic violence, that it's all made up to deprive poor fathers of the custody of their children, we live in a country where an ex Prime Minister won't 'resile' from invading Iraq based on totally fictitious lies and propaganda. 

So call me a 'conspiracy theorist' if that is your wonton, I don't care. All I know for sure is that the media constantly lies to us, as does our Prime Minister. I also believe - because I try to use my brain - that most of the stuff we 'know' about Russia and China is bulldust.

Furthermore, mention has been made of the way the Chinese treat their animals. Wow, this comes from the inhabitants of a country where the way sheep, cattle and horses have been treated in the Live Export saga should hang their bloody heads in shame rather than pointing at the finger at the way other countries treat their animals. 

I also add that China is a country of billions of people. That they have managed to stay pandemic free for so long ought to be lauded.

 

I love a good 'Iraq war happened therefore Chinese live animal trade is fine' argument.

FFS.

 

first world problem here. Do I apply for a balcony pass in the mcc hoping we get to go to the G in 2 weeks to see us take on gws. 

with the grand prix cancelled, the precedent for cancelling populated events has been set. l suspect the season will be postponed. All that needs to happen to put the nail in the coffin (and it will happen soon enough) is that an afl player tests positive .. sorry for the negative view but seems inevitable to me

Can the off topic discussion about bacteria (lol) warfare, bat eating and world politics in general please be taken back to the edit pages of Wikipedia, 4Chan, Infowars or "General Discussion" sub thread?

1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

Dutton has it haha.

He already looked sick.....

https://www.afl.com.au/news/384878/coronavirus-crisis-afl-makes-call-on-round-one

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

Why are you celebrating your 40th DubDee, you are already well into middle-age. 

You’re killing me Ernie!

tbh I doubt I’ll make it to 80 so I’m with you there

1 hour ago, dl4e said:

It is not lethal enough

Seriously? Much more contagious than the flu, x times more fatal and (the key bit) *for which there is neither cure nor vaccine*.

And it's not just the elderly. Death rates for people with cardiovascular or respiratory conditions, diabetes, hypertension, obesity and cancer are through the roof.

There's also a massive hidden cost which we're starting to see in places like Italy: because ICU's and hospitals are overwhelmed, people with other potentially life-threatening diseases are being shunted to the back of the cue, with a predictable longer-term cost.

And that's without even starting on the long-term effects of isolation on mental health and global well-being for those who are already fragile.