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TRAINING: Monday 20th January 2020

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1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Past performance is the evidence.

I hope I'm wrong, but if 'Weideman' was a TV program, it would have been cancelled because of poor ratings. I accept that footballers, like TV shows, sometimes need more time to prove their worth. And like some TV shows, after poor starts they eventually fire. I hope Weideman is like one of those.

Thanks, and I agree this is valid to some extent, but it is also circular and a poor analogy because TV shows don't "develop" live on air:

Young, developing player has not yet played well therefore he won't develop into a player who can play well.

So you can claim this and be right both ways. If he doesn't develop: see told you!, but if he does: well he hadn't shown anything then so the development was a surprise. 

 

What about his poor performances make you think he won't make it? Or do you think he has already reached close to max potential so is not developing?

I'd say he had two "young development" years in 16 and 17, showed a bit and broke out towards the end of 18 (only 10 games for the season) then struggled with consistency due to both a bit of increased pressure and injury (hip and concussion) before a calf injury followed by a broken jaw finished his season by round 16. 

Yeah, this year has a bit of pressure on it, especially if uninjured. But I'm not sure he's had a clean run at it too day he has chronicly under performed. 

 

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    3 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

    @hardtack will probably have some, I will, once I finish work

    I'm surprised @Baghdad Bob report was so detailed, didn't take his eyes of Tommy Mc the whole session ????

    My son is editing his shots as I type... will try to upload a few of his images shortly.

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    37 minutes ago, hardtack said:

    My son is editing his shots as I type... will try to upload a few of his images shortly.

    What did you think of training Hardtrack?

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    Why the silence on KK? Never gets discussed, whenever any of the posters mention it it's completely ignored, and the track watchers who regularly  speak to people at the club don't ask about a player who has mysteriously disappeared off the face of the earth?

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    16 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

    What did you think of training Hardtrack?

    I was pretty impressed generally speaking. I had to keep asking my son who was who, when it came to newer players (I’m hopeless), but the skills were looking for the most part, sharp... having said that, there are still a few wayward kicks under no pressure, but that’s to be expected. I was particularly impressed with Fritsch’s and VDB’s kicking. It looks like we’re getting some genuine pace in guys like Pickett and Bedford and it seems to have spurred Jetta on... he seems to have grown an extra leg.

    We’re going again on Wednesday, so this time I’ll try to pay more attention; instead of talking too much at my son and with Saty.

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    3 hours ago, Jaded said:

    Anyone has any inside info regarding KK? Can we just assume he is done? Has not been seen in month. 

    Has basically been put on ice. That is, the figure of speech not the drug.

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    17 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    Has basically been put on ice. That is, the figure of speech not the drug.

    I can’t believe we bought the ‘neck-related’ concussion story. 
    I mean seriously, how does that even make sense?

    Regardless, I hope he recovers.  

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    9 minutes ago, Six6Six said:

    Here you go ==> https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-XTvr4C?mobile=true

    Great photos 666 , I remember the discussion last year about the ball drop of some of these players and the position of the balancing arm. some players look quite artistic in their arm and hand position (e.g. Trac and Salem) some look quite awkward like T Mac, I wonder if the kicking coaches take this into consideration?

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    2 hours ago, hardtack said:

    My son is editing his shots as I type... will try to upload a few of his images shortly.

    Best intentions and all that... issues getting them off his antique iPad, so you may have to wait until tomorrow.

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    55 minutes ago, McQueen said:

    I can’t believe we bought the ‘neck-related’ concussion story. 
    I mean seriously, how does that even make sense?

    Regardless, I hope he recovers.  

    Paddy Mcartin's concussion problems stem from a neck problem.

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    3 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

    OD I've always been a fan because I've seen attributes.  I've also seen one fantastic game on the big stage and a few servicable games.  I also think that I can see reasons for his slow progress with injury and interupted preseasons coupled with the "big men take time".  I've also heard from those close to the club that his agression and courage is not in question and his attitude if first class.  He's training well but as I keep saying I don't really know what that means.  James Strauss and Sam Blease were great trainers and Sam won a couple of rising stars.

    We'll just wait and see.  Sam's done nothing wrong at training but he hasn't done anything that would allay your fears that he's no good.

    We seldom see the real value of a player at training because I always think training is like dancing with your sister. However I am glad to see he is holding his own. We have a lot hinging on him. We need him to play consistant good games if we are to give the flag a nudge in the  next couple of years.

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    Was hoping Hannan would get a good pre season in, seems not to be the case. 
     

    Fingers crossed he can get back in the main group ASAP. 

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    23 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

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    With that mo, Lever will not be the General, but the Senior Constable of our back 6 ?‍♂️

    I thought Joe Daniher was training with us when I saw that photo

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    T'would seem to me that we may not see much of Hannan, Kolodjashnij or Bennell this year. All three will be missed. However,  good teams find a way. Last year at this time the infirmary housed as many as the Gym. In Ireland, dey wood be saying, Tings are lookin up.

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    2 hours ago, Six6Six said:

    Here you go ==> https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-XTvr4C?mobile=true

    Wow that is fantastic photography, provides a real close up on what is happening with all the troops, much obliged.........!!!!

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    15 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

    I thought Joe Daniher was training with us when I saw that photo

    Wait a year and he might be... Paging #ETTradeWhispers for the inside scoop?

    Edited by John Demonic

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    6 hours ago, Jaded said:

    Anyone has any inside info regarding KK? Can we just assume he is done? Has not been seen in month. 

    We sold him on the black market. 

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    2 hours ago, Six6Six said:

    Here you go ==> https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-XTvr4C?mobile=true

    Thanks six6six, They are the best action pics I have seen.  I was planning the trip west but may not need to now. I'd prefer to see your action shots. Well done and worthy of a walkley for photojournalism.

    Trac is definitely a monster & has definetly lost the junior fat. I hope Langdon's dental insurance covers tongue laceration.

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    3 hours ago, McQueen said:

    I can’t believe we bought the ‘neck-related’ concussion story. 
    I mean seriously, how does that even make sense?

    Regardless, I hope he recovers.  

    Can't believe we bought the double calf surgery story, but at least HB comes cheap

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    9 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

    Good to see AVB in the thick of it and looking fit, also Joel Smith looking good early with the main group drills then was sent to the rehab group to do sprints when the match sims started. Joel looks super fit to me. One guy who caught my eye was Tom Sparrow he looks like a footballer now, Built up his body, is moving beautifully and has clean hands, disposal needs some work of course. He played a few games last year but then got injured. Any thoughts from others where he might fit in? 

    This is good news. At this time last year one commentator (I cannot remember who) from S.A. likened him to Dangerfield at the same age. Explosive pace and hard at it. Let us hope he gets a good run at it this season

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    16 minutes ago, Older demon said:

    This is good news. At this time last year one commentator (I cannot remember who) from S.A. likened him to Dangerfield at the same age. Explosive pace and hard at it. Let us hope he gets a good run at it this season

    vandenBerg will be 28 at the start of the season.

     

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