Captaincy 2020

[Lord Nev 2,275]

According to this article no one is captain at this stage and Goody has declared it's all open.

In this below article, Viney states he would love to lead the club again but would 100% support Gawn as captain if that was to happen.

“I’m not sure what will happen,” Viney told the Sunday Herald Sun. “I’d love to co-captain the club with (Gawn), but Goody from the get-go said that position, the captaincy, was going to be open. “There’s nothing set in stone, he’s just going to let the pre-season unfold and then he’ll evaluate and the players will evaluate it and we’ll come up with the combination we feel is best for the club. “I love leading the footy club, but at the same time if the coaches think Maxy is the best man to take us forward and there’s no co-captaincy, or whatever needs to be done, I’ll support 100 per cent. “But I love the responsibility and leading the club.” Viney was unsure what method the Demons would choose to appoint next year’s skipper. Some clubs conduct private ballots while others opt for players casting their votes openly to encourage them giving peers constructive feedback. “Often the players have a strong input, the coaches have some input as well and Goody and the big dogs will decide and work it out from there,” Viney said.

Viney: I'd '100 percent' support captain Max (paywall)

 

[Demonland 17,675]

 

[Mazer Rackham 7,385]

Club is handling this well. Well done MFC. GO DEMONS!

[ding 3,137]

For once, thats actually a pretty good read.

My usual impression with most stories like is is that they are essentially fluff pieces filled with no real importance. This one still has a sense of fluff, but also made me (almost) believe that Viney wont be cut up if Max goes on to be sole Captain. Yes, he wants to be acknowledged as a "Leader" in the club, and thats fair enough, but sounds like he is mentally prepared to drop the Captains tag if the team/Club decides Max should do it alone.

*i have always believed however, that too much emphasis is placed on a clubs Leadership Group*

Respect for Jack just went up a notch, even though i could be reading a bit too much into it.

2020 cant come quick enough.

[chook fowler 10,261]

Impressive attitude from Jack - just what you would hope from a captain 

[Lord Nev 2,275]

10 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Could you guys merge these threads maybe? Cheers.

 

[chookrat 2,186]

10 hours ago, ding said:

For once, thats actually a pretty good read.

My usual impression with most stories like is is that they are essentially fluff pieces filled with no real importance. This one still has a sense of fluff, but also made me (almost) believe that Viney wont be cut up if Max goes on to be sole Captain. Yes, he wants to be acknowledged as a "Leader" in the club, and thats fair enough, but sounds like he is mentally prepared to drop the Captains tag if the team/Club decides Max should do it alone.

*i have always believed however, that too much emphasis is placed on a clubs Leadership Group*

Respect for Jack just went up a notch, even though i could be reading a bit too much into it.

2020 cant come quick enough.

I reckon Viney will retain co-captaincy but is very team first oriented. 

[Wadda We Sing 6,763]

Yep its a good read and the club is handling it all very well and making sure we all get used to the idea of having one captain again.

Good on ya Max.

 

[Wells 11 1,835]

4 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Yep its a good read and the club is handling it all very well and making sure we all get used to the idea of having one captain again.

Good on ya Max.

 

Interesting observation. It did sound like, from that interview, that jack was hoping to be co with max and that max had it either on his own or sharing it. 

[Clint Bizkit 16,475]

It should be Gawn and Gawn alone.

[tiers 781]

Limiting the choice to Maxie and Viney might not offer the best option. Viney's comments suggest he is getting ahead of himself.

Many of the recent successful teams have not had captains that were their most outstanding or even their most determined players eg Maxwell, Harley, Easton, Cotchin but rather those who could lead the best. We should look for leaders,

I still prefer TMac for the role. He is a leader who can lift the team.

[Jaded 14,551]

3 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

It should be Gawn and Gawn alone.

Agreed. 
From the outside looking in, I would have 

Captain: Gawn

Vice Captains: Tmac and Lever 

Remaining leadership group: Viney, Jetta, Jones 

This will give us a good mix of leadership on every line / area of the ground. It will also ensure a good balance of younger and older players which is important with a young list. 
 

I strongly believe Lever is being groomed for a captaincy role down the line. He is an outstanding character and spoken of incredibly highly by teammates and coaches. 

[Pates 4,140]

4 hours ago, tiers said:

I still prefer TMac for the role. He is a leader who can lift the team.

Tom needs to focus on getting back to kicking goals, not captaincy. I’d have him in the leadership group but nothing else. 

[Wadda We Sing 6,763]

6 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

Interesting observation. It did sound like, from that interview, that jack was hoping to be co with max and that max had it either on his own or sharing it. 

He could always be vice captain to keep the peace, its not the u/11s. He can handle it. There was rumors of in-fighting among the co-captains and leadership last year, not a good look.

[D4Life 507]

Fingers crossed Viney completes a full pre season, think it might be the first or one of very few in his time at Demons. This will make a huge difference to what he can do on the field and how he can lead. Viney & Gawn would be a solid combination.

[Demon17 747]

13 hours ago, Jaded said:

Agreed. 
From the outside looking in, I would have 

Captain: Gawn

Vice Captains: Tmac and Lever 

Remaining leadership group: Viney, Jetta, Jones 

This will give us a good mix of leadership on every line / area of the ground. It will also ensure a good balance of younger and older players which is important with a young list. 
 

I strongly believe Lever is being groomed for a captaincy role down the line. He is an outstanding character and spoken of incredibly highly by teammates and coaches. 

Good call.   Co-captains define a club that can't make up its mind and doesn't truly understand the ' follow me '  quality of a good leader.

Time to be ruthless and make the hard call on Max alone.

[hemingway 4,968]

There is no hard evidence one way or the other about the benefits of co-captaincy versus single captaincy. 

However, traditionally, we know that governments, companies and most organizations have a person at the top such as a President, Prime Minister, CEO etc. That person is normally supported by a leadership team or something akin to it, such as a Cabinet, Executive, Board, Committee , Group of Generals etc. 

Society has accepted the notion of hierarchical  leadership. Imagine a Government, big corporation or army with several leaders all with equal power, responsibilities and functions. It may work if the co-leaders have different responsibilities but one can see the possible source of dysfunction and friction. 

Okay its only a footy team but some of the same issues apply. Co-Captains still have different personalities, styles, motivations and behaviours. They have a different way of dealing with issues, responding and communicating. Team members or players will follow and respond to Co-Captains differently depending on the existing levels of respect and communication styles. 

The great Demons sides were full of leaders. Stacked full of them. Any number could have made great Captains, but there was only one during the truly great years, the most symbolic being Ronald Dale. 

[dpositive 870]

23 minutes ago, hemingway said:

There is no hard evidence one way or the other about the benefits of co-captaincy versus single captaincy. 

However, traditionally, we know that governments, companies and most organizations have a person at the top such as a President, Prime Minister, CEO etc. That person is normally supported by a leadership team or something akin to it, such as a Cabinet, Executive, Board, Committee , Group of Generals etc. 

Society has accepted the notion of hierarchical  leadership. Imagine a Government, big corporation or army with several leaders all with equal power, responsibilities and functions. It may work if the co-leaders have different responsibilities but one can see the possible source of dysfunction and friction. 

Okay its only a footy team but some of the same issues apply. Co-Captains still have different personalities, styles, motivations and behaviours. They have a different way of dealing with issues, responding and communicating. Team members or players will follow and respond to Co-Captains differently depending on the existing levels of respect and communication styles. 

The great Demons sides were full of leaders. Stacked full of them. Any number could have made great Captains, but there was only one during the truly great years, the most symbolic being Ronald Dale. 

Interesting comments H. While hierarchical structures were the accepted norm, there are now many models used by businesses which acknowledge that there can be different demands for leading in different circumstances. Sporting teams were often used as models of these emerging models. The role of captain is being depleted by this evolution. 

Is the single captain who is and can be targeted the best model for success. 

Also what is the role of the coach as leader, with the captain a conduit to players. The role of captain on field example setter etc is also diminished withplayer rotations, playing structures etc.

A more organic model which could be a new model emerging as a feature of the Demon resurgence could recognise that there is a captain to toss the coin and perhaps another captain for media interviews, but each line and group has their own captain who will lead through action and by example to active the coaches aims.

identification of roles and skills should reveal the best operators for given roles and requirements.

[P-man 10,555]

Comments I’ve seen on Facebook have shown pretty much unanimous support for Max as sole captain. Unsurprisingly.

Get it done. Enough of this co captaincy malarkey.

[Skuit 5,764]

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

Society has accepted the notion of hierarchical  leadership. Imagine a Government, big corporation or army with several leaders all with equal power, responsibilities and functions.

Simon-Kucher & Partners - one of the world's leading consultancies - recently elected co-CEOs. 

[Mental Demons 85]

Do people here really want Max to mumble through official interviews every week? Will the extra burden of leadership place pressure on his performance? Sure, have Max in the leadership group, he is high profile and sought after for interviews because he is not the captain and a bit of a loose cannon. This works for him. Viney was a problem last season. He struggles to get out there and he is one paced and one dimensional. He only works well with some of our midfield. Viney has become borderline best 22, having him captain will tend to gift him games and that may cost us. Leaver has barely earned his place in the 22 let alone making him captain. The best choices would be T Mac or Harmes, The media want Max because he is good for a laugh not for his leadership. 

[old dee 13,504]

19 hours ago, Jaded said:

Agreed. 
From the outside looking in, I would have 

Captain: Gawn

Vice Captains: Tmac and Lever 

Remaining leadership group: Viney, Jetta, Jones 

This will give us a good mix of leadership on every line / area of the ground. It will also ensure a good balance of younger and older players which is important with a young list. 
 

I strongly believe Lever is being groomed for a captaincy role down the line. He is an outstanding character and spoken of incredibly highly by teammates and coaches. 

Trouble is he is fragile. Surely you would expect a captain to play nearly all games in a season Lever will struggle to get half a season based on his record to date. Would need a massive improvement from 2020 on.

[Laughing Goat 223]

On 11/25/2019 at 3:47 PM, Clint Bizkit said:

It should be Gawn and Gawn alone.

Agree....Gawn alone.