6 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Ruckman take at least 3-4 years to perform. Max will be retired or close to by then, he's about to to turn 28. Are you happy for Preuss to be our no 1 in 3 years? Or Bradke?

Not saying we should take him at 3, but it's crazy to think we are sorted long term in the ruck. Certainly he's in at mix at 8, but likely taken by then

Honestly history has shown ruckmen are one of the least important pieces of the premiership puzzle. 

10 minutes ago, adonski said:

Honestly history has shown ruckmen are one of the least important pieces of the premiership puzzle. 

So let's trade Max and Preuss...

Sheesh!

11 minutes ago, adonski said:

Honestly history has shown ruckmen are one of the least important pieces of the premiership puzzle. 

Absolutely agree. Unless they think Jackson can become a great key forward or the worlds biggest mid I hope to hell they aren’t spending pick 3 or 8 on him

so we could pick a bloke with one of the best kicking actions.........................or a bloke with one of the worst, hmmmmmmmmmmm.

1 hour ago, adonski said:

Honestly history has shown ruckmen are one of the least important pieces of the premiership puzzle. 

I don't know about that the Hawks had Ben McEvoy in their 2and and thrid flag's, he might not be a all Australian but was still in the top 5 ruckman in those years.

7 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

They may want him to back up O'Brien and replace Jenkins and Tex who is way past is best.  As might we for Gawn/TomMc/Weideman.

 

As an aside, Adelaide have pick 4 and if Freo want Jackson it is more incentive for them to trade 7 and 10 for our 3 and maybe something back.  We can get that 'something' by splitting pick 8.  GCS are wanting to trade (pick 15 and 20) for a top 10 pick so we could give one of those back to Freo.  We get 7,10 and 15 or 20.  Freo get Jackson and 15 or 20 which they can use on Henry. 

Pick 20 is actually very valuable as it is the 1st pick after round 1 and clubs will be going for it if their preferred player isn't picked in the first round.  It is what Carlton did last year to get Stocker. 

Edit:  I haven't tried to match the draft points of the pick trade Freo/MFC/GCS as I think the picks (esp 3 and 20) have intrinsic value over and above the theoretical points.

Am I reading this right?

You want to swap 3 and 8 for 7, 10 and 15? We drop 4 spots, 2 spots and pick up 15.

Why?

8 hours ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

He will request a trade back to Perth in a couple of years.

Avoid like the plague.

He rang you and told you I suppose.

8 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

As an aside, Adelaide have pick 4 and if Freo want Jackson it is more incentive for them to trade 7 and 10 for our 3 and maybe something back.  We can get that 'something' by splitting pick 8.  GCS are wanting to trade (pick 15 and 20) for a top 10 pick so we could give one of those back to Freo.  We get 7,10 and 15 or 20.  Freo get Jackson and 15 or 20 which they can use on Henry. 

Pick 20 is actually very valuable as it is the 1st pick after round 1 and clubs will be going for it if their preferred player isn't picked in the first round.  It is what Carlton did last year to get Stocker. 

Listening to JT, I don't think we will be trading pick 3. I think we will bid on Tom Green and GWS will match, we will then take Luke Jackson.  

Edited November 3, 20195 yr by grazman

9 hours ago, adonski said:

Honestly history has shown ruckmen are one of the least important pieces of the premiership puzzle. 

Sure, and Max Gawn has never had a fleeting thought about what it would have been like to have had Dangerfield in "that " place.

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Edited November 3, 20195 yr by daisycutter

Horrible waste of pick 3 or pick 8 if we draft Jackson.  We don’t need a young ruckman. Gawn and Preuss are sufficient right now.  Need to draft the best players possible with pick 3 & 8 on the best talented footballers. Lots available. Young. Kemp. Flanders. Stephens. Ash. Serong.  

Jackson is raw. Very raw.  Skills are basic if any. An athlete. Will take at least 3 years and then vulnerable to the go home factor.  

28 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

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You should be ashamed of yourself on Sunday DC.....

23 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Horrible waste of pick 3 or pick 8 if we draft Jackson.  We don’t need a young ruckman. Gawn and Preuss are sufficient right now.  Need to draft the best players possible with pick 3 & 8 on the best talented footballers. Lots available. Young. Kemp. Flanders. Stephens. Ash. Serong.  

Jackson is raw. Very raw.  Skills are basic if any. An athlete. Will take at least 3 years and then vulnerable to the go home factor.  

Agreed.     Also Austin Bradkte is gonna be a hell of a player too.  Happy to go early on that one.   Last thing we need is a ruck.

Edited November 3, 20195 yr by JakovichScissorKick

6 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Horrible waste of pick 3 or pick 8 if we draft Jackson.  We don’t need a young ruckman. Gawn and Preuss are sufficient right now.  Need to draft the best players possible with pick 3 & 8 on the best talented footballers. Lots available. Young. Kemp. Flanders. Stephens. Ash. Serong.  

Jackson is raw. Very raw.  Skills are basic if any. An athlete. Will take at least 3 years and then vulnerable to the go home factor.  

And even after Gawn retires, maybe it will be time to just have a plodder we can find on the cheap like Richmond did with ..Toby Nankervis. And put all of our cap space into other positions like key forwards and goal kicking mids. We don't need to use pick 3 in 2019 to have what might become one of the best ruckman in 2025-2030!! (Assuming he hasn't left by then anyhow)

Edited November 3, 20195 yr by John Demonic

we wont take jackson

9 hours ago, grazman said:

Listening to JT, I don't think we will be trading pick 3. I think we will bid on Tom Green and GWS will match, we will then take Luke Jackson.  

I read it differently. To me he was telling GWS if you want Jackson before Green you had better stump up a better offer for pick 3. He wrapped Green up as well as Jackson, both players GWS are very interested in. Prefer we just bid on Green because if they don't match we get the 3rd best in the draft, if they do I hope we take Young then.

If we were to pick up Bennell and Murray ( and if they get picked up the presumption is they are off drugs and will play) then I think Jackson at 8 is a good move. I dont know much about him except the comment made that he would be a better forward next year than Weid. IF thats so then Im all for it. A forward/ ruck rather than a ruck/ forward. Im returning to the camp that I existed in pre the geelong final in 18 that I dont think Weid is going to make it. Or at least not as a 1st or 2nd forward. We're missing a big precense up forward and you dont usually get them with anything less than an early pick. Happy to be wrong again with the Weid...but putting all our eggs in his basket feels to me like a bigger risk than going with Jackson. 

1 hour ago, Carn dees said:

we wont take jackson

Is this just a hunch or is there actual merit to  this??

1 hour ago, Wells 11 said:

If we were to pick up Bennell and Murray ( and if they get picked up the presumption is they are off drugs and will play) then I think Jackson at 8 is a good move. I dont know much about him except the comment made that he would be a better forward next year than Weid. IF thats so then Im all for it. A forward/ ruck rather than a ruck/ forward. Im returning to the camp that I existed in pre the geelong final in 18 that I dont think Weid is going to make it. Or at least not as a 1st or 2nd forward. We're missing a big precense up forward and you dont usually get them with anything less than an early pick. Happy to be wrong again with the Weid...but putting all our eggs in his basket feels to me like a bigger risk than going with Jackson. 

Jackson in 2020 to be better than Weideman.  Don’t believe it. Jackson is like Bradtke but slightly behind.  Athletic. Raw. Footy skills and smarts are low.  2-3 year minimum development.  

13 hours ago, Dante said:

Am I reading this right?

You want to swap 3 and 8 for 7, 10 and 15? We drop 4 spots, 2 spots and pick up 15.

Why?

Listening to JT a pick split is on the cards as he indicated we would take 3-4 players in the draft.  We have 3, 8, and 97 which will come in to around the mid 70's. 

The swaps I mentioned were hypotheticals on how to get an extra high draft pick.  Freo have players they want and GCS are ready to deal so if we want an extra high pick they are our best candidates.  They have more currency than GWS for picks 3 and 8.  And who knows if GCS want a top 10 pick badly enough they may deal 15 and their 2020 mid first round pick #11 for our pick 8. 

But there are lots of hypotheticals for us and clearly we would only split 3 and/or 8 if we thought the player(s) we preferred were gettable with the new picks.  Of course, if Freo were happy to deal 7 and 10 for 3 then we can take 7, 8, 10 to the draft but I doubt Freo would settle for that without something back, hence my hypothetical of trading 8 to GCS for 15 and 20 but it could be 10 to GCS for 15 and one of their 2020 1st round picks. 

I'm not fussed about dropping spots or draft points.  The end game is to get the players we want and build the best list.  If we can do that with 3, 8 and 97 great.  If we can do that with 7, 10 and 15 or with some other combo, great. 

I would be very happy with two top 10 and another first round draftee.  If we make good choices it would set us up with youth for some years to come as we haven't taken a top 20 player for 3 years and don't have a first round pick in 2020.   That is a long time without drafting high end talent.  So I see this year as one we can restock our youth.  We really have to nail our picks.

Edited November 3, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

I’m really warming to the idea of Jackson.

Losing Tim Smith and Frost, we’re down a couple of talls. I know we picked up Tomlinson, but I’ve also written off Pruess.

Just makes sense for list balance. Bradtke will take time, but also looks more likely to end up a forward. Gawn won’t be around forever.

And if not, it’s just another nudge to GWS to give us a proper return for pick 3.

4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Listening to JT a pick split is on the cards as he indicated we would take 3-4 players in the draft.  We have 3, 8, and 97 which will come in to around the mid 70's. 

The swaps I mentioned were hypotheticals on how to get an extra high draft pick.  Freo have players they want and GCS are ready to deal so if we want an extra high pick they are our best candidates.  They have more currency than GWS for picks 3 and 8.  And who knows if GCS want a top 10 pick badly enough they may deal 15 and their 2020 mid first round pick #11 for our pick 8. 

But there are lots of hypotheticals for us and clearly we would only split 3 and/or 8 if we thought the player(s) we preferred were gettable with the new picks.  Of course, if Freo were happy to deal 7 and 10 for 3 then we can take 7, 8, 10 to the draft but I doubt Freo would settle for that without something back, hence my hypothetical of trading 8 to GCS for 15 and 20 but it could be 10 to GCS for 15 and one of their 2020 1st round picks. 

I'm not fussed about dropping spots or draft points.  The end game is to get the players we want and build the best list.  If we can do that with 3, 8 and 97 great.  If we can do that with 7, 10 and 15 or with some other combo, great. 

I would be very happy with two top 10 and another first round draftee.  If we make good choices it would set us up with youth for some years to come as we haven't taken a top 20 player for 3 years and don't have a first round pick in 2020.   That is a long time without drafting high end talent.  So I see this year as one we can restock our youth.  We really have to nail our picks.

We can get the players we want with 3 & 8, not the leftovers after the other clubs have had their pick of the crop.

If they offered Taylor that and he accepted, I'd expect they'd buy him a new house and a car.

45 minutes ago, Dante said:

We can get the players we want with 3 & 8, not the leftovers after the other clubs have had their pick of the crop.

If they offered Taylor that and he accepted, I'd expect they'd buy him a new house and a car.

I suspect we would take 7,8 & 10

1 hour ago, Dees247 said:

I suspect we would take 7,8 & 10

Yes, but would we accept 7, 10 and 15, which was proposed by LH?

We will not get 7&10 for 3, unless Bell owes us one and after reading that Hogan has had more "extensive surgery", I doubt he will feel he does.

 

4 hours ago, Dante said:

Yes, but would we accept 7, 10 and 15, which was proposed by LH?

We will not get 7&10 for 3, unless Bell owes us one and after reading that Hogan has had more "extensive surgery", I doubt he will feel he does.

 

No, we wouldn't take 7,10 & 15. I also doubt we would get Freo's 7 & 10, for 3. But if a bid is going to come in early for Henry (there is a rumour Sydney are going to bid at 5), then maybe they will want our 3,to get ahead of it (and possibly get Jackson).