Splitting Draft Pick 3

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Just now, Dees247 said:

In the September Phantom Draft for AFL.com.au he is 12..

Ah yes google was only showing me August.  Someone else mentioned this earlier.  A good indicator he impressed late in a big way.

Thanks 247.  Pick 8 is looking like a reasonable No. then if we land him with that.

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5 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

A phantom draft from August has him at 16 so you aren't far away on that one 247.

The AFL power ranking has him at 28 which is probably a very low (conservative) estimate as he came into contention with a bit of a late charge apparently.

He is also the bolter of this draft

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19 minutes ago, Dees247 said:

He is also the bolter of this draft

Hawks and dogs are also in the market for a small forward and they have pick 11&13 I think so this might of influenced our decision to get 8.

Anybody have any idea what Bonar is worth is Giants can offload him to Essendon tmw? Wonder if we swapped 3 for 6 with whatever they get for Bonar and attach a veto for player we are chasing with our first pick? They would still have to get past picks 4&5 but might be worth’s shot 

 

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Jake Nial also reporting in the Age the same scenario. GWS must be crazy desperate for pick 3 offering pick 6 and next years first rounder.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

GWS 1st rounder next year may well be in the late 20s after all the bidding is matched. We should think of the pick number rather than 1st or 2nd round

I'd rather 3 for 6 + Caldwell or O'Halloran.

If GWS really want 3 and Green they need to give something more than 6 and 2020's pick 25ish

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If it were up to me, I'd do:

3 for 6, GWS' future first, 33 (Bonar pick via Ess). That's the price GWS.

Then I'd go to Geelong and say how about 8, 33, Hawthorn's future 2nd for 14, 17, 24. 

Hit the draft with 6, 14, 17, 24. Or take out 24 and 33 from above and go with 6, 14, 17, 33. Then I'd even consider trading back with 17 on the night if I can get a pick in the 20's or 30's and something to carry over for next year.

We need quality, but we also need to bring in a depth of selections. We need a quick mid, a small forward, at least 1 young tall prospect (ideally 1 at each end) and some kicking skills. 

Overdrafting a small forward with pick 8 does not interest me. Pick 8 is a nice rental so we can say we split 3 in to 6, 8. Once we get pick 6 and restore our future first and a mid round pick it's time to split pick 8 in to some more useful pieces.

 

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Mahoney said that top 10 picks in this draft are really valuable. Much more than second rounders and much more than a top 10 pick next year.

I don’t think we’ll be trading either of our high picks unless they are top picks inside the top 10 this year (ie, splitting 3 into 6 + something). 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Axis of Bob

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2 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Mahoney said that top 10 picks in this draft are really valuable. Much more than second rounders and much more than a top 10 pick next year.

I don’t think we’ll be trading either of our high picks unless they are top picks inside the top 10 this year (ie, splitting 3 into 6 + something). 

That's what he's saying after trading up for one of them and with another on the market to sell for a big offer.

If he's realistic about where the list is at and if Jason Taylor has the confidence to nail some picks then pick 3 should be split to 6 and a fair bit more and then we should really consider moving around at draft time. Pick 6 should get us one of the top guys on our board, unless it breaks just right there's no point using pick 8 almost straight after it.

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That makes no sense. If we wanted the Geelong picks then there’s no reason to d the North trade. We would have just done the deal direct to Geelong. 

He said that after trading up for pick 8, so he didn’t do it for nothing! He clearly believes that top 10 picks are disproportionately valuable, otherwise he wouldn’t have tried to trade for it! We traded lesser picks or more value to get one pick in the top 10.

Also, if we get a player high on our draft board at pick 6, wouldn’t it also hold true that we would get another player high on our draft board at pick 8?

Edited October 15, 2019 by Axis of Bob

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i want to go to the draft with 3 and 8 personally

take high end quality

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42 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

i want to go to the draft with 3 and 8 personally

take high end quality

Agreed. 

Serong/ Young at 3     Ash/Kemp/Weightman/Flanders at 8 

 

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4 hours ago, Dee tention said:

Pick 3 is a Nugget!

It is essentially 2 top 5 picks to GWS...

If we trade with GWS. We need to get a lot more than Pick 6 & 2020 first round. They beat us in that trade hands down, and we are the easy beats again.

A decent player needs to come with both of those picks. Caldwell please...

 

4 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

The Giants 2020 first rounder may be say pick 15. in a heavily compromised draft it might only be worth a second rounder. 

i don't think i'd be doing that deal. 

i would be telling them we want a ready to go best 22 player and pick 6 for pick 3 and nothing else gets it done. 

 

Completely agree. Ordinary deal, pulled out of his [censored] by that potato, Ralph. He's a tiresome little man.

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9 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

The Giants 2020 first rounder may be say pick 15. in a heavily compromised draft it might only be worth a second rounder. 

i don't think i'd be doing that deal. 

i would be telling them we want a ready to go best 22 player and pick 6 for pick 3 and nothing else gets it done. 

 

 

8 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

GWS 1st rounder next year may well be in the late 20s after all the bidding is matched. We should think of the pick number rather than 1st or 2nd round

I'd rather 3 for 6 + Caldwell or O'Halloran.

If GWS really want 3 and Green they need to give something more than 6 and 2020's pick 25ish

Agree. No way I’d accept the GWS first rounder next year, I’d be peed off actually. It’ll be in the 20’s, essentially a second rounder and complete suicide giving up on this draft. I can’t see us doing any other deal with them unless it’s 6 and a top player, one of their forwards. We need young top end talent, stars, or they can give up Cameron. F em’

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6 hours ago, A F said:

 

Completely agree. Ordinary deal, pulled out of his [censored] by that potato, Ralph. He's a tiresome little man.

Agree - only a basket case would agree to the deal suggested by Ralph.

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Edited October 15, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

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FFS Don’t turn Gold into Bronze

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1 hour ago, SFebes said:

 

Agree. No way I’d accept the GWS first rounder next year, I’d be peed off actually. It’ll be in the 20’s, essentially a second rounder and complete suicide giving up on this draft. I can’t see us doing any other deal with them unless it’s 6 and a top player, one of their forwards. We need young top end talent, stars, or they can give up Cameron. F em’

You have my vote SF.  I can't see a Cameron extraction.  Finlayson?

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11 hours ago, Dee tention said:

Pick 3 is a Nugget!

It is essentially 2 top 5 picks to GWS...

If we trade with GWS. We need to get a lot more than Pick 6 & 2020 first round. They beat us in that trade hands down, and we are the easy beats again.

A decent player needs to come with both of those picks. Caldwell please...

I completely agree DeeTen. First round 2010 could easily be in late 20s  I wouldnt risk it

We need a KPF they have Finlayson go get him. Trade for a player as well.

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Not a fan of the 3 to 6 plus 2020 first round.

GWS will likely finish top 4, so if we assume they finish fourth that would start as pick 15.

Then let's assume there are 6 Father son/academy selections beforehand as is expected, that pick the becomes 21 and effectively a 2nd round pick.

This is our chance to go hard, one of Caldwell, Hateley or O'Halloran plus pick 6 or get stuffed.

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6 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

Not a fan of the 3 to 6 plus 2020 first round.

GWS will likely finish top 4, so if we assume they finish fourth that would start as pick 15.

Then let's assume there are 6 Father son/academy selections beforehand as is expected, that pick the becomes 21 and effectively a 2nd round pick.

This is our chance to go hard, one of Caldwell, Hateley or O'Halloran plus pick 6 or get stuffed.

Don’t forget Gold Coast PP and any others the AFL decide to dish out as well.

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Some really great thinking in this thread. Kudos, all

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35 minutes ago, Dee tention said:

FFS Don’t turn Gold into Bronze

fools gold?

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God pick 3 for 6 and future 1st rounder in 2020. 

Tell’em he’s dreamin. 

Geez I hope we don’t do that it would undo the good work to date imo. 

I have a really sick feeling in my gut though. Hopefully I’m wrong. 

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2 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

fools gold?

 

The pack on my back is aching
The straps seem to cut me like a knife

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16 hours ago, demonstone said:

I'm afraid my potential AFL career was cruelly cut short at a very young age by a tragic lack of talent and courage.

Top post. A tragedy I share no doubt with many others.