Essendon are a bunch of grubs!

The worst club in the AFL

As an Irishman said to me once, Fluck Joe daniher and if he has relations in America, fluck them too...

Iam over it, worst radio to listen to.

AFL have obviously told them to hold off on the trade until tommorow night.

Massive risk for the Swans on Joe, the family have a history of groin related issues. How much better can the Swans medical team be.

Deep down he must know this is his last big pay check, because it certainly wasn't coming from the Essendrug.

I got the impression Orazio was a big wind up as well, purely to keep the druggos on the front page.

Who?

1 hour ago, Gorgoroth said:

FFS he isn’t even worth 6 and 25 which supposedly the swans were to offer. He has played 5 games in 2 years.

I spent 40 minutes arguing about this with my Essendon mate. He says we don’t want to trade him and we don’t want draft picks. We want who we want and Sydney won’t budge. Sydney are the bad guys. 
 

I mean their club is deluded from top to bottom  

 

10 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I spent 40 minutes arguing about this with my Essendon mate. He says we don’t want to trade him and we don’t want draft picks. We want who we want and Sydney won’t budge. Sydney are the bad guys. 
 

I mean their club is deluded from top to bottom  

 

I hope they hold him to his contract and lose him to FA next year 

I will eat my hat if there's anything to this.  For a bit of light entertainment (mods i also posted this in the "are we plotting a late heist?" thread.  Feel free to delete that one maybe)...

Edited October 15, 20195 yr by Rusty Nails

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

I spent 40 minutes arguing about this with my Essendon mate.

WTF are you doing having a scum mate?!?!?!

I was told by a relatively reliable source just over 12 months ago that Daniher would never play again, because his knee was so screwed. He did play a little bit, but he didn't last long. I can't understand Sydney here...

Edited October 15, 20195 yr by A F

7 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

I will eat my hat if there's anything to this.  For a bit of light entertainment (mods i also posted this in the "are we plotting a late heist?" thread.  Feel free to delete that one maybe)...

 

If we did this, seriously sack everyone and close the doors.

10 hours ago, GCDee said:

I hope they hold him to his contract and lose him to FA next year 

Not necessarily.  He will a Restricted FA so Ess can match or pretend to match Sydney's offer ala Crows and Dangerfield and force Sydney into a trade.  They will play the same hard ball game they are playing now and make Sydney pay big time.

So Sydney need to get it done this year.  Pay big now or pay more next year.  Or not draft him which would hurt their reputation.  They may be ruing the catch 22 situation they in.  

Edited October 15, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Even though Joe is a restricted FA next year I hope he obviously holds off talks until the end of the year and leaves. The only downside to that is we will have a whole year of will he/won't he. I hope he goes up to sydney during the year and buys a house during the year then at the end says well I want to move clubs. 

Then hopefully essenscum just fall down. 

20 hours ago, A F said:

I was told by a relatively reliable source just over 12 months ago that Daniher would never play again, because his knee was so screwed. He did play a little bit, but he didn't last long. I can't understand Sydney here...

I understand his groin aint real flash either.  I'd be surprised if Sydney hadn't done a full medical on him and as a consequence were never prepared to offer anywhere close to what Essendon were demanding.  Fox footy alluded to the deal being Pick 9 (from the potential Papley trade) for Daniher and Pick 15.  Much ado about nothing.

I bet he only plays half a dozen games next year and goes as a RFA to the Swans on a substantially reduced contract once Essendon miss the finals.

Edited October 16, 20195 yr by grazman

Against the flow here I am tired of players who sign contracts and then want out of the contract for whatever reason.

You sign a contract for a period and you should honour that contract.

our friend Joe has played a hand full of games over the last two year and been paid handsomely over that period.

He then decides he wants to move for whatever reason with a year still to run.

His club says you have a year to run on your contract ( and I suspect hell you owe us big time ) you go under our conditions.

Conditions were not meet so he has to honour his contract and play at club where  he is contracted.

I am tired of contracted players who view contracts as solid only when it suits them.

56 minutes ago, old dee said:

Against the flow here I am tired of players who sign contracts and then want out of the contract for whatever reason.

You sign a contract for a period and you should honour that contract.

our friend Joe has played a hand full of games over the last two year and been paid handsomely over that period.

He then decides he wants to move for whatever reason with a year still to run.

His club says you have a year to run on your contract ( and I suspect hell you owe us big time ) you go under our conditions.

Conditions were not meet so he has to honour his contract and play at club where  he is contracted.

I am tired of contracted players who view contracts as solid only when it suits them.

Completely agree with you OD.  Players and clubs need to honour contracts otherwise they become irrelevant. The system needs certainty and stability and not become a free for all like European soccer and American sport. If clubs don’t enforce player contracts it will adversely affect the legitimacy of contracts and also fans attitude toward their players. 

17 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Completely agree with you OD.  Players and clubs need to honour contracts otherwise they become irrelevant. The system needs certainty and stability and not become a free for all like European soccer and American sport. If clubs don’t enforce player contracts it will adversely affect the legitimacy of contracts and also fans attitude toward their players. 

Spot on Ernest, I had not considered the effect on fans.

Edited October 16, 20195 yr by old dee

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Against the flow here I am tired of players who sign contracts and then want out of the contract for whatever reason.

You sign a contract for a period and you should honour that contract.

Agree with the above.

The elephant in the room is the threat of a restraint of trade lawsuit against the AFL. Gil & co are petrified of such a thing. (As they should be.) To head it off at the pass, they permitted "free agency" in both fully- and half-pregnant forms. And look the other way when players break contracts.

The counter-balance is the ability for clubs to trade players mid-contract without their consent. But really, that is hardly improving the situation. The smoke is out of the bottle and can't be put back in.

45 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Agree with the above.

The elephant in the room is the threat of a restraint of trade lawsuit against the AFL. Gil & co are petrified of such a thing. (As they should be.) To head it off at the pass, they permitted "free agency" in both fully- and half-pregnant forms. And look the other way when players break contracts.

The counter-balance is the ability for clubs to trade players mid-contract without their consent. But really, that is hardly improving the situation. The smoke is out of the bottle and can't be put back in.

And we the members supporting the game are the poorer for it. I know you cannot turn back the clock  but it is part of the reason my love of the game is wànning. 

4 minutes ago, old dee said:

And we the members supporting the game are the poorer for it. I know you cannot turn back the clock  but it is part of the reason my love of the game is wànning. 

So what is it that I do at the end of daylight savings?

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

So what is it that I do at the end of daylight savings?

a lot of cussing and swearing i'd imagine as you can't find the manual for that old clock radio with the non-intuitive time setting sequence

41 minutes ago, old dee said:

And we the members supporting the game are the poorer for it. I know you cannot turn back the clock  but it is part of the reason my love of the game is wànning. 

Again agree OD. 

The term supporter suggests that we emotionally attach themselves to a team in most cases for a lifetime. Support might wax and wane but it remains. It is part of our DNA, and how else do you explain being a lifetime Demon supporter. Human behaviour is all about loyalty to things that matter and to the sense of community that comes from being part of a distinctive tribe. It’s a reason why we are influenced and affected by the clubs success or failure. We take winning and losing personally and it affects our emotional equilibrium. It is also reflected by our strong responses to players who leave or get traded.

As a kid, I will never forget Barassi leaving to go to Carlton because Barassi like Norm Smith was Melbourne.  We were proud of Norm and Ron. We loved them like family. We don’t have the same love for players that we did in those days but it remains important. We still identify with the team and the players that form part of the team.   The AFL, together with clubs and players tinker with this to the detriment of its fan base. We may remain fans but not committed latched on supporters. We detach and divest that strong feeling that the game and our club brings to us .That it is important and it does matter, and that it is part of our psyche. And we lose the sense and feeling that makes our code different and distinctive.

But as Mazer  points out, the genie is out of the bottle. Increasingly we follow a sport that has lost its soul to commercialism, marketing, product promotion, branding, betting and the avarice that is created by the marketplace and the lure of money and success. 

Fitzroy and South Melbourne were seen as failures. The AFL contributed to their demise and seized the commercial opportunity to relocate and rebrand them. But those old clubs had heart and soul and a bunch of loyal supporters that loved them and loved their players. Sure some of those supporters transferred their loyalties but many were lost to their new clubs and lost to the game. 

2 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Again agree OD. 

The term supporter suggests that we emotionally attach themselves to a team in most cases for a lifetime. Support might wax and wane but it remains. It is part of our DNA, and how else do you explain being a lifetime Demon supporter. Human behaviour is all about loyalty to things that matter and to the sense of community that comes from being part of a distinctive tribe. It’s a reason why we are influenced and affected by the clubs success or failure. We take winning and losing personally and it affects our emotional equilibrium. It is also reflected by our strong responses to players who leave or get traded.

As a kid, I will never forget Barassi leaving to go to Carlton because Barassi like Norm Smith was Melbourne.  We were proud of Norm and Ron. We loved them like family. We don’t have the same love for players that we did in those days but it remains important. We still identify with the team and the players that form part of the team.   The AFL, together with clubs and players tinker with this to the detriment of its fan base. We may remain fans but not committed latched on supporters. We detach and divest that strong feeling that the game and our club brings to us .That it is important and it does matter, and that it is part of our psyche. And we lose the sense and feeling that makes our code different and distinctive.

But as Mazer  points out, the genie is out of the bottle. Increasingly we follow a sport that has lost its soul to commercialism, marketing, product promotion, branding, betting and the avarice that is created by the marketplace and the lure of money and success. 

Fitzroy and South Melbourne were seen as failures. The AFL contributed to their demise and seized the commercial opportunity to relocate and rebrand them. But those old clubs had heart and soul and a bunch of loyal supporters that loved them and loved their players. Sure some of those supporters transferred their loyalties but many were lost to their new clubs and lost to the game. 

I find my loyalty to even the MFC is waning e.g. Our lack of a home / training facility.

Once I was welded to the idea it had to be in spitting distance of the G.

Now I could not care less, just get a good facility so the maximum can be had from the FD and playing group.

Where it is I don't care. 

1 hour ago, old dee said:

I find my loyalty to even the MFC is waning e.g. Our lack of a home / training facility.

Once I was welded to the idea it had to be in spitting distance of the G.

Now I could not care less, just get a good facility so the maximum can be had from the FD and playing group.

Where it is I don't care. 

True. And we know its not going to be within spitting distance. Certainly not the MCG or Yarra Park. And I suspect not Gosch's. 

Public land in or near the city has become to valuable and coveted by locals. That's where Collingwood was so smart. They took an existing asset in Olympic Park and the old Pool that was not part of existing parkland and developed them. Arguably OP was public property under a trust arrangement, but only the athletics community got upset by it. 

The club has screwed itself by not acting years ago and just putting up with things. Probably no money at the time but also no foresight. Things have just go tougher. More expensive, more vesting interests and less available land. 

Richmond, Collingwood and Carlton are the clubs that are sitting pretty. 

4 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Richmond, Collingwood and Carlton are the clubs that are sitting pretty

Not so sure.

Tigers need to move.  Punt Road just has no room for expansion. (2 ovals plus an indoor hangar type facility are the new standard.)

Carlton ...not sure but expansion into Princes Park would be a mammoth battle.

Collingwood already making noises about moving. Whittlesea-Epping area is my guess but don't count out Yarra Bend Park if they are willing to allow public access to the training ovals.