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2 hours ago, Dee Dubya said:

We need a Donald Trump like leader.

Are you suggesting  Mark Jackson then?

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    I remember watching him coming into the game when we were affiliated with Sandringham.  I used to watch from behind the bench and saw that he was such a tough competitor, and was thrilled when he got picked for the seniors.

    I love him to bits, and he has been a genuine club legend through incredibly tough times, but sadly I feel the game has started to pass him by, and it may be in his best interests were he to retire at year's end.  It would be more sad to see him dwindle off and play his career out at Casey.

    Jack Viney is a slightly different story - hugely competitive (as is Nathan) and also hard as nails, but my thoughts are that he would be in his and the club's best interests to relinquish what really does appear to be the added burden of captaincy (probably to Max or possibly Tom) and concentrate on getting his body right and regaining his competitive beast self.

    It would take an enormous amount  of courage (which he has) and also a lot of insight (which I am less certain he has) to do so.

     

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    9 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

    No offence LB, but if I hear that phrase one more time I'm going to spew up. 

    It's a dumb, nothing phrase that comes from a lack of nuance.

    'Drain the swamp' is the other one, thanks to Donald.

    Apologies MS, I was at work and in a hurry.  I'll try to be better nuanced in the future ;)

    However if you're comparing me to the Donald then I will definitely be taking offence.

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    Gawn must be captain.

    He is the only one that plays like one.

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    7 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

    And the Dawks won multiple flags with Hodge down one end and Roughy up the other.
    Can we get Roughy as a forward coach?
     

     

    Can we Get Roughy to explain to our players that you don't pull the pin on Training camps , Coz its all TOOOOO HARD !!

    This bloke knows something about HARD. He has done HARD yards with well Documented Medical issues.

    Our blokes seemingly like soft shoe shuffle.. Yep let's put it at players Feet. Like the Glory but have no appetite for what it takes to get there!

    Tell me if I am wrong. Cancelled training camp?? Weak!

    Well done Roughy!! 

    PF

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    11 hours ago, beelzebub said:

    I hear in many circles that Hodge is a Coach in waiting. Very cluey , understands the game, understands roles, understands HIS role and a good conveyor of strategy.

    Can't say I've ever heard any of that , and Jones,  in the same sentence.

    Can we poach Hodge as an assistant next year?

    I assume they've probably locked him in at Lions

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    Gerard Healy said that Jones would give the captaincy away at the end of the season "On the Couch".  There was some discussion about alternatives but seemed to be a consensus that Viney would keep it most likely with someone else (read Gawn). Interestingly Roos said nothing at all. I think we are all out of left field leadership options. Gawn stands out as the obvious choice, I just hope that it doesn't limit his impact as a player.  He's been our only shining light this season.

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    Lever would make a fine captain. Level headed bloke, reads the game well, speaks very well, he would be worth listening to if he spoke up among the group. I think he is an absolute stand out as a potential leader for the MFC.

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    15 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

    Goodwin said just last week that Viney and Joney are magnificent leaders of the Club.

    Deluded view.

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    “The issue is going to be Jack. Now I think they elevated Jack too early, I said, that at the time.

    “He was terrific last year but he’s in a bit of a hole now

    “And until you’re in control, complete control of your game, I think it’s a pitfall to name him captain. But where do they go now with Jack … I think they’ve got to back him in.

    “I questioned at the time when they made him co-captain.

    “I didn’t think it was necessary and I didn’t think he was in control of his game and until you’re mature enough to be in control, adding the burden of captaincy I think is unfair.”

    Healy on Viney

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    15 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

    Goodwin said just last week that Viney and Joney are magnificent leaders of the Club.

    They do it every rubber no matter what suit is trumps. Also Viney also bids 7 hearts regardless of what he's dealt. Such a tough nut!

    Goodwin himself always leads with the highest card in his hand. Other coaches enjoy playing against Goodwin.

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    16 hours ago, Brownie said:

    Can we poach Hodge as an assistant next year?

    I assume they've probably locked him in at Lions

    Why would he come from a serious premiership contender to a soft underachieving club -- unless he is one who loves to take on an enormous challenge?

    12 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

    Lever would make a fine captain. Level headed bloke, reads the game well, speaks very well, he would be worth listening to if he spoke up among the group. I think he is an absolute stand out as a potential leader for the MFC.

    would, perhaps, if he managed to play a full season.

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    17 hours ago, Swooper1987 said:

    Gerard Healy said that Jones would give the captaincy away at the end of the season "On the Couch". ........... think we are all out of left field leadership options. Gawn stands out as the obvious choice, I just hope that it doesn't limit his impact as a player.  He's been our only shining light this season.

    I agree Gawn is the obvious and probably only choice

    I think he would thrive on the extra responsibility of being leader. He has the personality that would embrace being captain. Could send him to a new level as a player too

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    Jones, Viney, Jetta and Gawn are the four in the leadership group this year. 

    Jones wont be captain next year or in the leadership group, he'll be concentrating on making the 22. 

    IMO it will be Viney and Gawn next year, with Jetta concentrating on getting fit to play.

    Hopefully Viney can have an injury free run and play to his capabilities.

    They might add TMac and/or Lever to the leadership group.

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    1 hour ago, President Dee Trump said:

    I agree!

    Aside from 6 bankruptcies including  his casinos, Trump through bad judgement helped cause the USFL and his gridiron team the New Jersey Generals to fold in the 1980’s due to the ludicrous idea that they schedule their matches at the same time as the NFL. We are a bad football club but with someone like Trump at the helm will see us  plumb bottomless depths never reached before and oblivion.

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    35 minutes ago, america de cali said:

    Aside from 6 bankruptcies including  his casinos, Trump through bad judgement helped cause the USFL and his gridiron team the New Jersey Generals to fold in the 1980’s due to the ludicrous idea that they schedule their matches at the same time as the NFL. We are a bad football club but with someone like Trump at the helm will see us  plumb bottomless depths never reached before and oblivion.

    The rehab leadership group?

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    I also like Lever as a Captain. He seems understated and thoughtful, and I think we are far from seeing his best that he demonstrated at Adelaide. 

    I have always respected Trent Cotchin as a player, as he is the person who I would imagine at Richmond does the right things when nobody’s watching. And his behaviors were accentuated by colleagues like Edwards and Grimes.

    In saying that, I am not sure we have a player to that level on our list.  

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    1 hour ago, bragswoewodin said:

    I also like Lever as a Captain. He seems understated and thoughtful, and I think we are far from seeing his best that he demonstrated at Adelaide. 

    I have always respected Trent Cotchin as a player, as he is the person who I would imagine at Richmond does the right things when nobody’s watching. And his behaviors were accentuated by colleagues like Edwards and Grimes.

    In saying that, I am not sure we have a player to that level on our list.  

    It's clear. Work ethic, great on the training track, good club man, encourages others, sacrifices own game ...

     

    ANB for captain and Stretch as vice

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    2 hours ago, america de cali said:

      We are a bad football club but with someone like Trump at the helm will see us  plumb bottomless depths never reached before and oblivion.

    Fake News !
     

    _93539943_trumpgettyone.jpg

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    Gawn strikes me as a nominee. That said it might be a burden too much. He's  obviously  very fed up and frustrated. Would bridling him with the captaincy skew his focus ? 

    He obviously  tries to lead but would having him have to lead distract.

    We're  a bloody basketcase of a club really. Half a list thats useless..and a whole box of incapables.

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    Every man and his Dog knows our leaders are exactly the opposite!!

    Jones warrior but end is near! Viney was NEVER a leader IMV!

    Time for MFC to get ruthless 

    Bulltish Dual captains is soft shoe appeasement!

    WE NEED 

    One Capt

    One VC

    One DVC

    FCS 

    It aint that hard!!

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    21 minutes ago, picket fence said:

    Every man and his Dog knows our leaders are exactly the opposite!!

    Jones warrior but end is near! Viney was NEVER a leader IMV!

    Time for MFC to get ruthless 

    Bulltish Dual captains is soft shoe appeasement!

    WE NEED 

    One Capt

    One VC

    One DVC

    FCS 

    It aint that hard!!

    You havent left the 80s have u picket.

    God love ya

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    Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the captains voted in by the players? 

     

    Edit: I know years ago it was a vote by the players with final sign off by the coaches. Has this changed?

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    9 hours ago, Jaded said:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the captains voted in by the players? 

     

    Edit: I know years ago it was a vote by the players with final sign off by the coaches. Has this changed?

    Yes.  Viney was a 'captains call' by Goodwin. 

    Goodwin told Jones (iirc while on the golf course) that Viney would be a co-capt without even telling Jones there would be a co-capt.  Completely blindsided him on both counts.  

    Players had no say in Viney.  Not sure about players voting in Jones.

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