13 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Happy with that.....even better if we delisted O-Mac in the process

Ain't gonna happen

14 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Tomlinson is better than our bottom 6-8 in the best 22 we have at the moment i think, therefor,e if you can make that group stronger you do it. 

This is what I like about it.

If we were to land Tomlinson, Langdon and Elliott during this trade period, then we've improved our best 22 immensely.  It will make us a much better side going forward.

23 minutes ago, binman said:

Ain't gonna happen

Yes if wishes were horses Bin

44 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I didn’t mean it in a negative way, I’m a fan. But he was out of the 22 until injuries arrived. Moreso mentioning it as a reason why he would be looking at his options and whether staying would be in his best interests, flag or otherwise.

I suspect GWS know Tomlinson's leaving, hence he's been on the outer the last month or so. I wouldn't put it past them to drop him for the GF rather than others who did less in the PF.

I thought he played quite well against the pies, particularly given he was used out of his best position for much of the game, eg. ruck

Edited September 23, 20195 yr by Moonshadow

On 9/22/2019 at 10:03 AM, Redleg said:

Not many blokes leave after playing in a GF. Wonder if Giants will resign him now.

Easier to leave if they win. Has a flag and can now seek cash

11 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I suspect GWS know Tomlinson's leaving, hence he's been on the outer the last month or so. I wouldn't put it past them to drop him for the GF rather than others who did less in the PF.

I thought he played quite well against the pies, particularly given he was used out of his best position for much of the game, eg. ruck

That’s the thing though isn’t it? He just can’t get a crack at it in his best position (although I’m undecided as to what that is). His flexibility has almost been to his own detriment.

Just what we need another guy who doesn't really have a position he is elite at but just "good" at a few different roles.

We have "good" players problem is we need a few very good & elite players! 

 

1 minute ago, Dee Watcher said:

Just what we need another guy who doesn't really have a position he is elite at but just "good" at a few different roles.

We have "good" players problem is we need a few very good & elite players! 

 

We’ve also got a lot of very average to below average players who are regularly getting a game. Let’s start replacing those ones whilst there are replacements available for free, then snaffle a very good player when one pops up, maybe Whitfield end of next season? 

12 minutes ago, Dee Watcher said:

Just what we need another guy who doesn't really have a position he is elite at but just "good" at a few different roles.

We have "good" players problem is we need a few very good & elite players!

Tomlinson>ANB, Stretch, Wagners, JKH, OMac, T.Smith, Lewis, KK, vB, Petty and more.

It's an improvement for us. That's all that matters. Not every recruit has to be "elite".

34 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

That’s the thing though isn’t it? He just can’t get a crack at it in his best position (although I’m undecided as to what that is). His flexibility has almost been to his own detriment.

Yes, that's true. Let's hope that of he comes to us he plays in his best position and is largely left there. I'm crossing my fingers it's as a hard running wing

1 hour ago, Dee Watcher said:

Just what we need another guy who doesn't really have a position he is elite at but just "good" at a few different roles.

We have "good" players problem is we need a few very good & elite players! 

 

 

It’s about improving the baseline. Not every player can be a superstar or “elite” but they can bring elite attributes and attitude.

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Tomlinson>ANB, Stretch, Wagners, JKH, OMac, T.Smith, Lewis, KK, vB, Petty and more.

It's an improvement for us. That's all that matters. Not every recruit has to be "elite".

Agree with you except for Petty, who I think is going to be a very good player in a couple of years.

If you mean now, well I wouldn't lose Petty for Tomlinson now either, if that clarifies.

I still think BTW, that OMac can improve and give us value.

5 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Agree with you except for Petty, who I think is going to be a very good player in a couple of years.

If you mean now, well I wouldn't lose Petty for Tomlinson now either, if that clarifies.

I still think BTW, that OMac can improve and give us value.

Yeah, not potting any of those blokes, just more making a comment about how Tomlinson improves us.

16 hours ago, Macca said:

26 years old and a restricted free agent.  Drafted in 2011 so 8 years on the GWS list by trading time.

Approximately half our list isn't up to it (or unproven) and if our only cost is salary cap space then we acquire him if he wants to come to us. 

We can get 5-6 years of football out of the bloke and we get to add another decent player to the list.  Do it times 3 if other restricted free agents are available.  Why stop at one?  Our list needs an injection of talent. 

Think of Tomlinson as replacing a player who we're going to delist anyway.  It's a no-brainer really.

 

I think we need to heed the warnings of Port Adelaide.

Spent a lot of salary cap space on Watts, Rockliff and Motlop who were all available for a reason. Yet to get great return on any of them. And probably cost them the salary cap space they needed to re-sign Polec and Wingard. They might've got out of that pretty well by nailing 3 picks in a superdraft but if they messed up those picks they'd be in a world of trouble.

Every dollar overspent on free agents or trading in depth can come back to bite us. Tomlinson and Elliott already make me nervous, I wouldn't be rushing out to add more from a limited pool. I reckon a good look at the state leagues, delistings or free to a good home trade types can find guys who can be depth just as easily as bidding for those guys who are popular but have a low floor. And now there's the ability to hold list spots over until after summer I'd certainly look at that method.

6 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Every dollar overspent on free agents or trading in depth can come back to bite us.

That's the problem though DS. Goodwin won't care if it fails, as he would've been given the [censored] by then.

Goodwin is gambling with the medium/long-term health of the club trying to save his own skin. That's the part i don't like.

8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think we need to heed the warnings of Port Adelaide.

Spent a lot of salary cap space on Watts, Rockliff and Motlop who were all available for a reason. Yet to get great return on any of them. And probably cost them the salary cap space they needed to re-sign Polec and Wingard. They might've got out of that pretty well by nailing 3 picks in a superdraft but if they messed up those picks they'd be in a world of trouble.

Every dollar overspent on free agents or trading in depth can come back to bite us. Tomlinson and Elliott already make me nervous, I wouldn't be rushing out to add more from a limited pool. I reckon a good look at the state leagues, delistings or free to a good home trade types can find guys who can be depth just as easily as bidding for those guys who are popular but have a low floor. And now there's the ability to hold list spots over until after summer I'd certainly look at that method.

Good point. However there were much bigger question marks on Watts and Motlop than Tomlinson who has an excellent attitude and is durable, if a bit vanilla overall. Rockliff has been good for them when on the park - that would be the concern with Elliott.

25 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Goodwin is gambling with the medium/long-term health of the club trying to save his own skin. That's the part i don't like.

Really, just garbage

29 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

That's the problem though DS. Goodwin won't care if it fails, as he would've been given the [censored] by then.

Goodwin is gambling with the medium/long-term health of the club trying to save his own skin. That's the part i don't like.

Not sure I agree as you could apply that kind of logic to any scenario.

Going to the draft - Goodwin's rebuilding, he's admitted defeat!

Going for a superstar - Goodwin's putting all his eggs in one basket, saviour syndrome again!

Going for depth - He's gambling with our future!

Bit of a no-win situation for him when people adjust the narrative to suit their own bias.

3 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

That's the problem though DS. Goodwin won't care if it fails, as he would've been given the [censored] by then.

Goodwin is gambling with the medium/long-term health of the club trying to save his own skin. That's the part i don't like.

That is exactly why some clubs separate the List Management function from the Coach.  Coach has input but decisions are made by List Management whose job it is to build a premiership winning list.  That is especially so when the coach is inexperienced and desperate for quick success.

I'm of the impression that Goodwin calls the shots especially on FA's, trades in and out then recruiting do the best they can with the draft picks that are left.  

I'll very, very interested in who our List Manager is to replace T.Viney.  Hope he has the authority from Pert to take the long view.

Edited September 23, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think we need to heed the warnings of Port Adelaide.

Spent a lot of salary cap space on Watts, Rockliff and Motlop who were all available for a reason. Yet to get great return on any of them. And probably cost them the salary cap space they needed to re-sign Polec and Wingard. They might've got out of that pretty well by nailing 3 picks in a superdraft but if they messed up those picks they'd be in a world of trouble.

Every dollar overspent on free agents or trading in depth can come back to bite us. Tomlinson and Elliott already make me nervous, I wouldn't be rushing out to add more from a limited pool. I reckon a good look at the state leagues, delistings or free to a good home trade types can find guys who can be depth just as easily as bidding for those guys who are popular but have a low floor. And now there's the ability to hold list spots over until after summer I'd certainly look at that method.

Hang on though. We're not attempting to trade in depth. We're attempting to trade in two walk up best 22 players. Elliott would immediately be in our top 10-12 players and Tomlinson's attributes would make him just about the most unique player on our list. 

14 minutes ago, A F said:

Hang on though. We're not attempting to trade in depth. We're attempting to trade in two walk up best 22 players. Elliott would immediately be in our top 10-12 players and Tomlinson's attributes would make him just about the most unique player on our list. 

Maybe I shouldn't have combined the 2. Elliott's a gamble on upside - my concern there is the injury risk, Tomlinson is very much a move to bolster bottom end of the 22. It's nice that he's a utility but I'm not entirely convinced that ups his value.

If there was a Wins Against Replacement stat for footballers I think Tomlinson's would be pretty low and therefore spending significant money on him doesn't make him good value.

 

3 hours ago, godees said:

Good point. However there were much bigger question marks on Watts and Motlop than Tomlinson who has an excellent attitude and is durable, if a bit vanilla overall. Rockliff has been good for them when on the park - that would be the concern with Elliott.

I think Brisbane were happy for Rockliff to go in the end (culture killer)- like the other two the issues he left were very different to the issues that Tomlinson and Elliott may leave their clubs.  

Edited September 23, 20195 yr by grazman

4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think we need to heed the warnings of Port Adelaide.

Spent a lot of salary cap space on Watts, Rockliff and Motlop who were all available for a reason. Yet to get great return on any of them. And probably cost them the salary cap space they needed to re-sign Polec and Wingard. They might've got out of that pretty well by nailing 3 picks in a superdraft but if they messed up those picks they'd be in a world of trouble.

Every dollar overspent on free agents or trading in depth can come back to bite us. Tomlinson and Elliott already make me nervous, I wouldn't be rushing out to add more from a limited pool. I reckon a good look at the state leagues, delistings or free to a good home trade types can find guys who can be depth just as easily as bidding for those guys who are popular but have a low floor. And now there's the ability to hold list spots over until after summer I'd certainly look at that method.

Putting the money in the cap aside for now DS

You'll know more than me re Tomlinson ... I don't watch a lot of footy outside of our games.

So for the benefit of others and myself ...

Can Tomlinson be one of our best 12? (Best 22 is not descriptive enough for me)

Does he make good decisions and can he kick well to position?  2nd key forward or 2nd key back?  Marking skills? 

Big body in the midfield and can he make a difference there?  And has he got a good tank or more of a burst player?

Leadership skills?

8 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Happy with that.....even better if we delisted O-Mac in the process

If Frost goes Oscar may well stay on.  You've got to have back-up for May,  Lever et al

I'd keep Oscar but not play him unless he's needed as back-up.  He has no real currency so he is more value to us in that regard.

Petty might come on though and Tomlinson and 1 or 2 other new talls could come on board so a lot of fringe players will come under the microscope RN.

I reckon we're set for a do-over rather than a mini rebuild.  Pace,  kicking & marking skills & poise being the prequisites.

25 minutes ago, Macca said:

Putting the money in the cap aside for now DS

You'll know more than me re Tomlinson ... I don't watch a lot of footy outside of our games.

So for the benefit of others and myself ...

Can Tomlinson be one of our best 12? (Best 22 is not descriptive enough for me)

Does he make good decisions and can he kick well to position?  2nd key forward or 2nd key back?  Marking skills? 

Big body in the midfield and can he make a difference there?  And has he got a good tank or more of a burst player?

Leadership skills?

I know bugger all about him except that Tommy Mac will finally have some competition on our 3km time trial.

Tomlinson is regularly first over the line for the Giants.