POSTGAME: Rd16 vs Carlton

[binman 42,511]

23 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Footy Classified has flagged that we over celebrated our win again. Tune in and watch these clowns stick the boots into us again. Juddy deflecting as usual. Should be a great bashing session. I don’t think the players over celebrated or the coach and certainly not the fans. Can’t wait to see the spin they put on it

Judd said we did well to win with 3 on the bench and asked Damo i t( i think, but maybe it was Caro) if he understood the impact of being down to one player on the bench (and on that Hore was out for 3 and bit quarters so we were down a rotation for a big chunk of the first half).

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

Haven't heard what was said....

Hope Brayshaw he pointed out how effective his no look.handballs are.

 

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

If we mathematically cant make the finals, why are we still 351/1 for the flag?

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

Anyone else have a laugh at Preuss manning the mark the wrong way on Kreuzer? It looks even funnier watching it again. 

[John Demonic 5,721]

6 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

If we mathematically cant make the finals, why are we still 351/1 for the flag?

You can still win a premiership from outside the 8. ?

Edited July 8, 2019 by John Demonic

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

6 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

You can still win a premiership from outside the 8. ?

Oh yeah ok, i see what your saying ....so if a team inside the 8 is disqualified and we finish 9th, we get in by default. Yeah like thats gonna happen. Would be a little more than 350/1 i would have thought......

[Demon Dude 425]

1 hour ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Anyone else have a laugh at Preuss manning the mark the wrong way on Kreuzer? It looks even funnier watching it again. 

yeah that cracked me up, it was weird. it got even funnier when the ump called play on and Preuss then ran away from Kreuzer instead of tackling him?

[Deemania since 56 6,605]

16 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Must say I'm surprised a little by those who think Preuss is a forward. Sure a goal or two every couple of games but no more than a 17-20 goal a year man.

Gawn is the key... Preuss to ruck 70/30 and Gawn to play forward 70/30%. Gawn is a potential 4 goal a game player.

Preuss is starting to ruck quite well; he beats most opponents and is amassing some impressive statistics, and the crumbers are responding well to his style. Gawn can be a forward as it appears that the Weed may be overwhelmed as a solitary tall forward, with Preuss rotating ruck-forward with Gawn across the game. Moments like these make me yearn for a fit JSmith, must admit, to shore up contests across the 50m arc and under. 

[Nasher 33,607]

7 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Anyone else have a laugh at Preuss manning the mark the wrong way on Kreuzer? It looks even funnier watching it again. 

Was probably lucky not to be 50.

[ProperDee 1,698]

Read all of the comments.  As a MFC supporter for 54 years, I cannot truly enjoy a win from a team who has had the most dramatic fall from grace that I have ever seen.  I am angry and embarrassed that we are 16th on the ladder. I am sick of the OTT goal celebrations of the Petracca’s et al. FFS just go back to your position without all of the BS carry on and kick another goal. It’s your job. Just do it.   I was lucky enough to know Alan Jeans quite well. He would have burst a blood vessel seeing the way some of these “modern” footballers carry on.

I can only imagine what the likes of RDB and Norm Smith would say to some of our current players on the back of last season.  

Edited July 8, 2019 by ProperDee

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

19 hours ago, jnrmac said:

I'd say many here could see how the game would pan out after we were almost double their possession tally (220ish to 120ish I think in the 3rd qtr) and only 22 pts ahead.

Not that you could predict the injury tally but hardly surprised that a lowly ranked team we hadn't put away would rally to take the lead in the closing stages. This is what calibrated expectations and why some weren't jumping through hoops over the win.

Its all so predictable with this team. If there is a way to snatch defeat from victory they will try to find a way

 

Aside from a rare T-mac hoorah we just have a VERY poor forward line that can't capitalise with all those entries in front of the sticks (set shots...seem to be a tad better in play on situations but only guessing on that?) or lock the ball in for long enough / often enough.

Prepare for more of the same next year IF we dont get a quality KPF in there and one or two quality crumbing smalls who can pressure, pounce on the loose ball and finish in front of goals.

Aside from Goody's crash bash chaotic 'numbers at the contest' game style that sees the boys unable to play out 4 quarters (and mostly always bleeding goals during segments of each quarter and at least significantly during an entire quarter....unable to protect a lead) and our diabolical turnovers (again likely caused by fatigue from the chaos style*) our forward stocks are a major Achilles heal.

*We attempted to play more of tempo possession game in the 3rd yesterday which funnily enough saw us hit our biggest lead during the match and kick 7 in the quarter.  Hopefully a sign that Goody is finally waking up to its benefits vs a mostly chaos option.  We just might be seeing the embryonic stages of a change in the coach's thinking here.  Would be interesting to see if this is the case at training from those here who are regular attendees!?

The downside is we might have incidently been forced to play that way after half time due to the restricted rotations.  Either way, it had the desired effect and was clear for all to see.  Let's hope we learned something.

Edited July 8, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[Demon17 5,181]

1 hour ago, ProperDee said:

Read all of the comments.  As a MFC supporter for 54 years, I cannot truly enjoy a win from a team who has had the most dramatic fall from grace that I have ever seen.  I am angry and embarrassed that we are 16th on the ladder. I am sick of the OTT goal celebrations of the Petracca’s et al. FFS just go back to your position without all of the BS carry on and kick another goal. It’s your job. Just do it.   I was lucky enough to know Alan Jeans quite well. He would have burst a blood vessel seeing the way some of these “modern” footballers carry on.

I can only imagine what the likes of RDB and Norm Smith would say to some of our current players on the back of last season.  

Not so fast.

1998  we make the prelim after the 97 wooden spoon.  Then we finish bottom 3 in 99 with only 6 wins. With arguably a better list than we have available now.

This has all happened before.  IMO the 2018 list has always been overrated and they played out of their skins for the last 5 weeks of the season only.

Still building

I agree with all your other sentiments though PD

[binman 42,511]

1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

Aside from a rare T-mac hoorah we just have a VERY poor forward line that can't capitalise with all those entries in front of the sticks (set shots...seem to be a tad better in play on situations but only guessing on that?) or lock the ball in for long enough / often enough.

Prepare for more of the same next year IF we dont get a quality KPF in there and one or two quality crumbing smalls who can pressure, pounce on the loose ball and finish in front of goals.

Aside from Goody's crash bash chaotic 'numbers at the contest' game style that sees the boys unable to play out 4 quarters (and mostly always bleeding goals during segments of each quarter and at least significantly during an entire quarter....unable to protect a lead) and our diabolical turnovers (again likely caused by fatigue from the chaos style*) our forward stocks are a major Achilles heal.

*We attempted to play more of tempo possession game in the 3rd yesterday which funnily enough saw us hit our biggest lead during the match and kick 7 in the quarter.  Hopefully a sign that Goody is finally waking up to its benefits vs a mostly chaos option.  We just might be seeing the embryonic stages of a change in the coach's thinking here.  Would be interesting to see if this is the case at training from those here who are regular attendees!?

Hit the nail on the head rusty. Leaving aside the game style, in very simple terms we get the ball inside 50 enough times. 3rd i'n the league I think. That number is a touch inflated because it often goes in, straight out and back into a crowded 50.

But still our forward line has struggled woefully - small, medium and bigs. Part of that is the much referenced connection issues, which is mainly about rubbish kicks but also issues such as spacing and leading patterns.

The above partly shows how critical some players are to systems. I read here that remarkably melk is still right up there for goal assists, despite not playing for, what, 8 weeks? He is critical in terms of that last kick inside 50. Hannan was important in this regard last year and hasn't got back anywhere near his best this year, after coming back from injury

On the fatigue issue I would contend our poor fitness is as a result of our crap preseason not our game style. Sure the chaos, crash and bash style is physically taxing (and might be a factor in that spate of preseason surgeries) but the chip and spread style requires players to run a lot of ks in a game to spread and provide multiple options and leads. I suspect that is why the pies have hit a bit of a slump ie players are tiring (I was wondering if they are doing a hard training block atm to get ready for finals).

Edited July 9, 2019 by binman

[Lucifers Hero 39,423]

Tom gets the 10 votes from the coaches and is in TOTW!

Rnd 16 votes

TOTW

Great work for 3 quarters.

Big boost for his confidence which he really needed.  Shame we have to wait till next year to see him again.

Oliver also in TOTW.  It was great to see him lower his eyes and kick a lot more this week.  He is a very good kick.  Roos said last night if he continues to kick like that he will go to another level ?

Edited July 9, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[Demon trucker 1,800]

We will fly up next season, no  doubt about it. This season's smells of Richmond 2016 look what happened in 2017, its a reset sit back and wait, it's similar to Geelong 2006, look what happened in 2007, sit back relax, history has a way of repeating.

[loges 6,767]

10 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Anyone else have a laugh at Preuss manning the mark the wrong way on Kreuzer? It looks even funnier watching it again. 

Or was it, as the commentators said, Kreuzer not knowing which way he was going?

[binman 42,511]

1 minute ago, loges said:

Or was it, as the commentators said, Kreuzer not knowing which way he was going?

Either way he didn't kick over the man on the mark!

[Lucifers Hero 39,423]

12 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

We will fly up next season, no  doubt about it. This season's smells of Richmond 2016 look what happened in 2017, its a reset sit back and wait, it's similar to Geelong 2006, look what happened in 2007, sit back relax, history has a way of repeating.

Not sure whether this post is in jest...

Sit back and relax is a recipe for disaster for us.  Too often in recent years everyone thought 'it would just happen'.  Consistent hard work is the only way we will have success (ie regularly contend for a flag).

History might repeat itself but it is more likely to be the erratic MFC history than the constant finals playing teams of Cats and Tigers both of which have missed once in the last 6 years.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

16 minutes ago, loges said:

Or was it, as the commentators said, Kreuzer not knowing which way he was going?

Yeah, I think Kreuzer initiated the confusion by having his back towards their goal and looking to give it off. Not on a knock on our fella, just thought the sequence was funny, especially the slow mo, it looked like 2 BFGs trying to dance the Nutbush.

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

10 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Not sure whether this post is in jest...

Sit back and relax is a recipe for disaster for us.  Too often in recent years everyone thought 'it would just happen'.  Consistent hard work is the only way we will have success (ie regularly contend for a flag).

History might repeat itself but it is more likely to be the erratic MFC history than the constant finals playing teams of Cats and Tigers both of which have missed once in the last 6 years.

mmmm. supporters clearly.... since when have the players and or coaches just sat back and relaxed? (or do you merely go off win loss records to confirm it?)

[Deemania since 56 6,605]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Tom gets the 10 votes from the coaches and is in TOTW!

Rnd 16 votes

TOTW

Great work for 3 quarters.

Big boost for his confidence which he really needed.  Shame we have to wait till next year to see him again.

Oliver also in TOTW.  It was great to see him lower his eyes and kick a lot more this week.  He is a very good kick.  Roos said last night if he continues to kick like that he will go to another level ?

In one way or the other, we have all said this about Clarrie's kicking all season and last season. If he continues like this, he will find himself at another level (upwards) and add a whole new dimension to the effectiveness of the midfield - just by influence, alone. Wonderful to see.

[Diamond_Jim 12,511]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Oliver also in TOTW.  It was great to see him lower his eyes and kick a lot more this week.  He is a very good kick.  Roos said last night if he continues to kick like that he will go to another level ?

yeah... thought the same myself

[sisso 2,577]

2 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

We will fly up next season, no  doubt about it. This season's smells of Richmond 2016 look what happened in 2017, its a reset sit back and wait, it's similar to Geelong 2006, look what happened in 2007, sit back relax, history has a way of repeating.

Nobody who has supported Melbourne for more than 5 years believes this sorry

[DubDee 25,472]

13 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

If we mathematically cant make the finals, why are we still 351/1 for the flag?

if we win all games we could technically make it in on 12 wins. haha

either way, there will be bog ordinary teams in the 8 this year. 

oh to be one of them

[Nasher 33,607]

13 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

If we mathematically cant make the finals, why are we still 351/1 for the flag?

Gambling companies aren’t going to let mere technicalities like mathematic impossibility stop them from taking money from suckers.