On 16/06/2019 at 02:55, Gorgoroth said:

Ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Insane laughter ?

  On 16/06/2019 at 01:34, jumbo returns said:

Did that fantasy ladder thingo and had us just in the 8 by R21

Dont ask me what I chose, I got bored very quickly

So, posters, thoughts?

I reckon we're a chance

Umm Nup. 

No, we are not a chance.

We'd need to win 9 out of 10 games and build our awful percentage up by 30% or so.

Our fixture still contains Fremantle (6th), Brisbane (7th, and on the road), West Coast (5th), Richmond (8th, and by then likely to have more of its better players back in the side) and Collingwood (2nd). We'd therefore need to win all bar one of these games, and win the rest (Carlton, Bulldogs, St Kilda, Sydney, North Melbourne in Tasmania).

It's not happening, even if we turn our form around rapidly.

Having said all that, IMO the only thing we should "relax" our position on for the last 10 games (as compared to if we were 5-7 and borderline in the top eight) is player fitness. Don't rush injured players back, and when in doubt we should rest rather than persist. If TMac's sore, get him out of the side and rest him up. Ditto Viney, and anyone else. Otherwise aim to win all 10 games in terms of selection and gameplan.

  On 16/06/2019 at 03:43, titan_uranus said:

Otherwise aim to win all 10 games in terms of selection and gameplan.

gameplan....what's that

not to mention selection to match an opposition.

No. We won’t make the 8.

  On 16/06/2019 at 02:59, Sir Why You Little said:

I do agree to a point, but to pull the pin on 2019 after 12 Rounds, which is basically what you are advocating, to me could be very dangerous

New Gameplans should be being worked on RIGHT NOW by all Coaches over the bye week. 

As a Club, We need to beat Freo at the MCG next week...

The pin was pulled a few rounds in judging by onfield performance.

This isn't about conceding the season, it is about doing what is best for the future without sacrificing the ability to properly prepare for it.

It's a shift in planning, not a shift in what the goal is, which is winning games and ultimately a premiership.

 

  On 16/06/2019 at 04:22, Lord Nev said:

The pin was pulled a few rounds in judging by onfield performance.

This isn't about conceding the season, it is about doing what is best for the future without sacrificing the ability to properly prepare for it.

It's a shift in planning, not a shift in what the goal is, which is winning games and ultimately a premiership.

 

But this club has no right to pull the pin, at any stage. That is my point, and it is what must change. 

We have pulled the pin for years at times and we see the results. 

Over the years Whorethorn have always played to win even if they missed the odd September, a winning culture is the premium objective. We need that attitude locked in. 

What i will say is this, i wouldn’t rush anyone back into the side until they are ready to go

I think 12 wins will have you a game clear in the 8 this year with 8th spot being on 11 wins. 

Due to our % we will need to be on 12 wins minimum which means 9 out of the last 10. 

Won't happen unfortunately

Does anyone know if it’s been done before from 3-9? Gosh...3-9 still hasn’t sunk in. 

No chance at all to make it, happy to be wrong though.

Don't do it to yourself.

Fremantle are playing the sort of football that will kill us. Next week will be the final hit on the nail to fully seal the coffin. We’re done, finito, gotov, acabado, hotovoy, klaar, 完成的, færdig med, skończony

I vote yes

"Tell Him he's Dreaming!!"

No way.

And, not tanking, but as others have said the priorities must be:

Tweaking game plan to get off to a flying start 2020

Allowing all those who are not >90% fit to rest, repair and regenerate. NB Tom McDonald.  These are needed to be 100% fit and ready for 2020

"Getting games in" to the up and coming, at the expense of the known and ending

 

  On 16/06/2019 at 04:51, Sir Why You Little said:

But this club has no right to pull the pin, at any stage. That is my point, and it is what must change. 

We have pulled the pin for years at times and we see the results. 

Over the years Whorethorn have always played to win even if they missed the odd September, a winning culture is the premium objective. We need that attitude locked in. 

What i will say is this, i wouldn’t rush anyone back into the side until they are ready to go

I don't think I made my point clear enough mate. I was having a crack at the players and coaches by saying it looks like they already pulled the pin.

Either way, I've tried to explain that my suggestion isn't 'pulling the pin', it's putting a value on an effective preseason rather than destroying another preseason by riding players into the ground and not adjusting/innovating our game plan(s) and structures.

 

  On 16/06/2019 at 07:27, Lord Nev said:

I don't think I made my point clear enough mate. I was having a crack at the players and coaches by saying it looks like they already pulled the pin.

Either way, I've tried to explain that my suggestion isn't 'pulling the pin', it's putting a value on an effective preseason rather than destroying another preseason by riding players into the ground and not adjusting/innovating our game plan(s) and structures.

 

I know what you mean Nev, what i am saying is this club NEEDS to be driven hard and then learn to Recover for next season, otherwise we will always come up short

  On 16/06/2019 at 03:30, loges said:

Insane laughter ?

More just super amused at people’s ability to look past reality and stay positive.

No [censored] chance.

We have been pathetic this year.

The best thing that could happen is we finish low, get a good draft pick and the club is forced to review what went horribly wrong and take action. Winning pointless matches for the remainder of the season will just paper over the cracks in our clubs foundations.

  On 16/06/2019 at 07:34, Sir Why You Little said:

I know what you mean Nev, what i am saying is this club NEEDS to be driven hard and then learn to Recover for next season, otherwise we will always come up short

Sure, but the reality is we came into this season underprepared due to running the players down, which was worth it to make a prelim, but not worth it to possibly finish 10th instead of 12th, which could be the case this year.

Reality is we have players who are nowhere near 100% fitness and we are far better off getting them physically right for a year that matters than setting ourselves back again for next year.

Reality is we have massive game plan  and structure issues that we can start working on during proper games and try to get it fine tuned by preseason, or we can just keep doing the same old (which is costing us games btw) and then try to teach the players something new in the short time span of one preseason.

Let's deal in reality and not cliches.

 

  On 16/06/2019 at 08:18, Lord Nev said:

Sure, but the reality is we came into this season underprepared due to running the players down, which was worth it to make a prelim, but not worth it to possibly finish 10th instead of 12th, which could be the case this year.

Reality is we have players who are nowhere near 100% fitness and we are far better off getting them physically right for a year that matters than setting ourselves back again for next year.

Reality is we have massive game plan  and structure issues that we can start working on during proper games and try to get it fine tuned by preseason, or we can just keep doing the same old (which is costing us games btw) and then try to teach the players something new in the short time span of one preseason.

Let's deal in reality and not cliches.

 

I am not dealing in cliches at all. 

The Competition we are in is bloody tough. There is no excuse for coming into a season under prepared. That is a Cop Out. 

Gameplan and Structure I agree, is our Coach out of his depth?? I am concerned. 

The Filth had Massive injuries to their backline last year, made the GF and are tracking pretty well for yet another tilt. 

We do not need to put the cue in the rack after Round12. We need to toughen up Physically and Mentally, that is the reality. 

Because the same thing will be happening in 2021, or is that a year of for The MFC??

Edited June 16, 20195 yr by Sir Why You Little

  On 16/06/2019 at 02:00, Matsuo Basho said:

The Melbourne thing to do would be win the next 9 on the trot then lose R23 to North to fall short on %age.

I said it last week

we’ll lead north by 10 goals going into the last brown will kick 10 in the last then max will snap hook from 3m out only needing to kick a point but will kick it at right angles out on the full and we’ll miss the 8 by 0.01

in my original prognostication I had us up by 300 points at half time but I then realised how ridiculous that was as we couldn’t kick 300 points in 5 games let alone 1

 

 

  On 16/06/2019 at 08:30, Sir Why You Little said:

I am not dealing in cliches at all. 

The Competition we are in is bloody tough. There is no excuse for coming into a season under prepared. That is a Cop Out. 

Gameplan and Structure I agree, is our Coach out of his depth?? I am concerned. 

The Filth had Massive injuries to their backline last year, made the GF and are tracking pretty well for yet another tilt. 

We do not need to put the cue in the rack after Round12. We need to toughen up Physically and Mentally, that is the reality. 

Because the same thing will be happening in 2021, or is that a year of for The MFC??

Mate, I love your passion, but I'm not sure how many more ways I can explain it.

Of course there's reasons for coming into a season underprepared. Our surgery and fitness report clearly explained that. It's not an excuse, it's the reality of our preparation.

It's not about putting the cue in the rack. Putting the cue in the rack would be continuing to do the same thing for the rest of the season.

'Toughen up' is out of touch talk. Is that how you'd handle injuries? Just tell them to 'toughen up'? Again, it's just simply not reality.

I guess we have different priorities. I won't us to be best prepared for a shot at a flag, you seem to want 22 unfit tough guys with a terrible game plan running out there every week like it's some kind of catharsis rather than a complicated game with many different facets that effect success.

 

 

  On 16/06/2019 at 08:40, Lord Nev said:

Mate, I love your passion, but I'm not sure how many more ways I can explain it.

Of course there's reasons for coming into a season underprepared. Our surgery and fitness report clearly explained that. It's not an excuse, it's the reality of our preparation.

It's not about putting the cue in the rack. Putting the cue in the rack would be continuing to do the same thing for the rest of the season.

'Toughen up' is out of touch talk. Is that how you'd handle injuries? Just tell them to 'toughen up'? Again, it's just simply not reality.

I guess we have different priorities. I won't us to be best prepared for a shot at a flag, you seem to want 22 unfit tough guys with a terrible game plan running out there every week like it's some kind of catharsis rather than a complicated game with many different facets that effect success.

 

 

No you also miss my point. Injuries happen. Our replacements are not at the level they should be. The Top Teams front up every season, we don’t

I thought all this shiit was behind us once Roosy came in. Clearly it isn’t

Not for one moment do i advocate thrashing injured players. That was done with Jack Trengove. 

I want 45 players on our list to be at AFL elite standard 

  On 16/06/2019 at 08:48, Sir Why You Little said:

No you also miss my point. Injuries happen. Our replacements are not at the level they should be. The Top Teams front up every season, we don’t

I thought all this shiit was behind us once Roosy came in. Clearly it isn’t

Not for one moment do i advocate thrashing injured players. That was done with Jack Trengove. 

I want 45 players on our list to be at AFL elite standard 

I reckon we would agree on a lot mate, and I love that you're still up and about for this season even if it's maybe more motivated by rage (which I can relate to). Let's just both hope that the steps being taken behind the scenes now will end up being effective for us and we can use the rest of this year to launch into a successful 2020, even if you and I disagree a bit on the launch process.

Cheers!

 

  On 16/06/2019 at 08:52, Lord Nev said:

I reckon we would agree on a lot mate, and I love that you're still up and about for this season even if it's maybe more motivated by rage (which I can relate to). Let's just both hope that the steps being taken behind the scenes now will end up being effective for us and we can use the rest of this year to launch into a successful 2020, even if you and I disagree a bit on the launch process.

Cheers!

 

Yes the Launch process. Goodwin completely blew that last Summer, thinking the Preliminary Final was just an off day. 

Finals are done, but we shouldn’t give up on any season before Round 20, it is to much of a get out clause mentality. 

When players sign these contracts, it has to be a tough road, physically and mentally....