Changes vs West Coast

[bing181 8,164]

7 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I'm still having difficulty understanding why we didn't pick a fit Preuss against the Suns.

Because he wasn’t fit. Not enough for AFL, he’s been off/on injured all year. Hopefully ok now. 

[John Demonic 4,794]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Agree Old dee. The only one who had a pick me game was Preuss but as posted elsewhere Essendon were very short of talls.

If Weideman is fit I would play him and Preuss up forward allowing T Mac to go back. Let's be honest we stand no chance against the Eagles unless we think out of the square. Even then we would need a miracle.

I recall the thinking outside the square that came from Port when they beat em, was the "dirty ball" into the forward line, low balls to eliminate McGoverns influence. I wonder if we can emulate this?

[Little Goffy 12,555]

Well, seems to me the outs need to be Hibberd (inj) and Lewis (inj or form, choose), while Keilty clearly takes a rest. Garlett... hmm. Let's see what we have available.

Preuss is obviously in, replacing Keilty. Definitely a gain.

Tim Smith had a good day at Casey and I'd argue that we could use any marking/contesting help we can get out West.

Looks like Nibbler will be 'fresh to go' for a day of run run run.

What troubles me is we have no apparent half-back replacements for Hibberd or Lewis, unless Kolodjasnij suddenly gets a miraculous all-clear.

 

[dazzledavey36 48,707]

Keilty problem is that he is not a forward. Im sure Goodwin sees him as a forward, but when at Casey he doesnt kick enough or no more then 2 goals.

He is a defender.

[Demons11 6,404]

21 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

 could be wrong, but it looked like a broken foot to me.  I can't see him playing next week with that. 

He would not have come back on with a broken foot surely 

[Demons11 6,404]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Keilty problem is that he is not a forward. Im sure Goodwin sees him as a forward, but when at Casey he doesnt kick enough or no more then 2 goals.

He is a defender.

If this is the case, surely this is the week to push him back.  O Mac out and bring in T Smith.

[Demons11 6,404]

1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

Well, seems to me the outs need to be Hibberd (inj) and Lewis (inj or form, choose), while Keilty clearly takes a rest. Garlett... hmm. Let's see what we have available.

Preuss is obviously in, replacing Keilty. Definitely a gain.

Tim Smith had a good day at Casey and I'd argue that we could use any marking/contesting help we can get out West.

Looks like Nibbler will be 'fresh to go' for a day of run run run.

What troubles me is we have no apparent half-back replacements for Hibberd or Lewis, unless Kolodjasnij suddenly gets a miraculous all-clear.

 

Don’t think KK did anything before getting injured to warrant an automatic call up 

[DV8 2,271]

2 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I'm still having difficulty understanding why we didn't pick a fit Preuss against the Suns.

We need him fit and healthy for the next month of matches.  

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/Team/fixture#season=CD_S2019014&round=CD_R201901408

IMO,  he was held out until this weeks VFL game,  in order to let his shoulder heal,  as best it can.?

 

[In Harmes Way 7,492]

Out: Power

hopefully

[Diamond_Jim 11,740]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Keilty problem is that he is not a forward. Im sure Goodwin sees him as a forward, but when at Casey he doesnt kick enough or no more then 2 goals.

He is a defender.

The irony is that he was moved forward at VFL level because we had surplus defenders at senior level

[kallangurdemon 470]

Surely Weed has to replace Kelty and just about anybody can replace Omac .

 

 

 

[Earl Hood 5,788]

22 minutes ago, kallangurdemon said:

Surely Weed has to replace Kelty and just about anybody can replace Omac .

 

 

 

Except Weid didn’t play, he is injured I think. 

[DV8 2,271]

30 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Except Weid didn’t play, he is injured I think. 

rested,  'EH'.

[Earl Hood 5,788]

14 minutes ago, DV8 said:

rested,  'EH'.

Odd strategy to rest him when he needs game time to build his confidence and touch? 

[dazzledavey36 48,707]

3 hours ago, Demons11 said:

If this is the case, surely this is the week to push him back.  O Mac out and bring in T Smith.

Honestly if it was up to me then yes personally i would have Keilty or Petty back and Oscar to the 2s. Maybe Keilty is ahead because he is much more mature and can cope with the bigger bodies.

To me Oscar adds absolutely no value to our side, barely marks the footy, turns it over by foot, has no awareness, slow, dumb and just looks like a headless chook. I saw a bloke by the name of Sam Collins do much more this year then Oscar has his whole career.

 

[spirit of norm smith 12,890]

3 hours ago, Demons11 said:

If this is the case, surely this is the week to push him back.  O Mac out and bring in T Smith.

Agreed.  Omcd out.  T Smith in.  Keilty back to partner Frost.  

Assume Melksham and Hibberd to miss. 

[Docs Demons 1,658]

9 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Agreed.  Omcd out.  T Smith in.  Keilty back to partner Frost.  

Assume Melksham and Hibberd to miss. 

No way you can play Keilty in the ones anywhere. I was there yesterday and whilst he was not alone he gave the ball up most times he touched it. As mentioned before I believe he will be a player but needs more time at Casey as he is not up to AFL standard at moment. OMac was better than Keilty yesterday by heaps. Their key forwards had no impact in game so our taller backs did OK.

[Pennant St Dee 11,257]

11 hours ago, rjay said:

Can Bull go back to take a role?

Similar size too Darling.

He has done some midfield time at Casey, so should have the tank to run with him.

Be better to have trialed it at Casey but we don't have many options.

Just a thought...

 

Not a bad one, Casboult looked good down back yesterday 

[DV8 2,271]

44 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Odd strategy to rest him when he needs game time to build his confidence and touch? 

Not really...  when he played well at Casey last week, almost bog...  then miraculously was said to be sore a few days later...  a look ahead from that time, and we play the Suns on the road up in QLD,  and then on the road to Perth,  after only 6 day break.

Nrmally he would have been expected to play the Suns.  But Keilty did reasonably that week, in particular showed some smart work in the ruck. So then Weide was rested for being sore.... and here we are now looking striaght into the Perth matchup.

 

Spargo was out of both teams this week, as was Weide,  and someone else if I recall,  who escapes me.

[Demon Dude 425]

22 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Not really...  when he played well at Casey last week, almost bog...  then miraculously was said to be sore a few days later...  a look ahead from that time, and we play the Suns on the road up in QLD,  and then on the road to Perth,  after only 6 day break.

Nrmally he would have been expected to play the Suns.  But Keilty did reasonably that week, in particular showed some smart work in the ruck. So then Weide was rested for being sore.... and here we are now looking striaght into the Perth matchup.

 

Spargo was out of both teams this week, as was Weide,  and someone else if I recall,  who escapes me.

that would be ANB.

[jnrmac 18,948]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Honestly if it was up to me then yes personally i would have Keilty or Petty back and Oscar to the 2s. Maybe Keilty is ahead because he is much more mature and can cope with the bigger bodies.

To me Oscar adds absolutely no value to our side, barely marks the footy, turns it over by foot, has no awareness, slow, dumb and just looks like a headless chook. I saw a bloke by the name of Sam Collins do much more this year then Oscar has his whole career.

 

Fair comments all except for the turnover by foot. His neat disposal is the only attribute he has unless you count being tall.... 

[WERRIDEE 5,209]

IN: PREUSS, NEAL-BULLEN, SPARGO

OUT: KEILTY, LEWIS, HIBBERD

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 3,925]

I would be surprised to see Lewis be available

[bing181 8,164]

3 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Odd strategy to rest him when he needs game time to build his confidence and touch? 

Reported as "sore", which judging by past experience would mean one of:

- needs a break

- is knocked around, so we'd prefer he take a break than risk an injury

- is injured, but we're not prepared to say what it is

[bing181 8,164]

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

To me Oscar adds absolutely no value to our side, barely marks the footy, turns it over by foot, has no awareness, slow, dumb and just looks like a headless chook.

A finer example of confirmation bias it's hard to imagine.

- Oscar's one of the more reliable kicks in the team, as his DE% confirms (e.g. last week, 100%)

- He marks when the ball comes near him: last week was in top 10, this week down, but then so was everyone. He took as many marks as Viney and Gawn, who no-one seems to have noticed "barely mark the footy"

- Have a look at the 1%'ers. He's so far in front of everyone else in the team it's not funny.

Also worth remembering that for his one game back at Casey a couple of weeks back, he managed an in-the-bests performance with a team-high 22 disposals while Petty - who some here seem to see as a preferable alternative even though his one AFL game was a disaster - didn't even manage half of that.

Finally, for the last two games we've won not because we kicked thumping scores, but because our defense was miserly. It's not as if we have KPF's kicking buckets of goals on Oscar (or anyone for that matter).

But heh, happy for the professionals at the club to decide on whether or not he plays.

Edited May 12, 2019 by bing181