The 2019 Draft and Trade Targets Thread

[RedLegs23 1,139]

Just reported on SEN - Brad Hill doesn’t want to play for the Dees.

Ed Langdon in the box seat to land with us.

 

 

[Kent 2,920]

  On 19/08/2019 at 21:46, RedLegs23 said:

Just reported on SEN - Brad Hill doesn’t want to play for the Dees.

Ed Langdon in the box seat to land with us.

 

 

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That will save us  900 grand

 

[ChaserJ 5,192]

  On 19/08/2019 at 21:46, RedLegs23 said:

Just reported on SEN - Brad Hill doesn’t want to play for the Dees.

Ed Langdon in the box seat to land with us.

 

 

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Up on their website now:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/08/19/edmund-provides-big-trade-update-on-jones-langdon-hill-and-smith/

[dazzledavey36 56,347]

We are putting all of our energy into Ed Langdon and yet the likes of Zak Jones, Tom Papley Congilio will all just waltz straight past us to either So Kilda or Carlton.

[Kent 2,920]

Is there any way we could get King without using our first round pick?

We don't seem to have much currency so the recruiting team need to be bold this year.

We need something special to happen.

We also have a raft of delistings required  so again the recruiting team need to make hard decisions and trade hard.

[deebug 1,754]

We could offer our 2020 first rounder, for King.

[Mt. Dee-Maaan 608]

  On 19/08/2019 at 22:28, dazzledavey36 said:

We are putting all of our energy into Ed Langdon and yet the likes of Zak Jones, Tom Papley Congilio will all just waltz straight past us to either So Kilda or Carlton.

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are we now..

[rjay 25,424]

  On 18/08/2019 at 23:58, Bombay Airconditioning said:

When people are discussing potential list changes the same names are put fwd,

JKH, Stretch, ANB, Spargo, Wagner, Omac etc.

Petracca and Hibberd seem to escape scrutiny. Hibberd turns 30 next year (last year of contract) so would be of no interest to any of the other clubs. The Suns would be chasing others in that age group but in the Luke Hodge mould. 

We lack star power, when we drafted Petracca I was so excited thinking he would become a hybrid of Dangerfield and Robbie Grey. He is yet to deliver on his dominance as a junior and regularly goes missing for periods in games. I personally don’t think he’ll ever become the player we need him to. We are faced with the Watts / Hogan scenario, what have we learnt....We held Watts 1-2 years too long and got minimal return. We got rid off Hogan at exactly the right time and got May in return. Some argued we should got more and whilst this year hasn’t been great for May most were happy we were able to land him when we did. The time to move on Petracca is now, package him up with next years first round pick or trade for a mid to late first round and package that with next years first round pick and go after some real midfield class. Let’s go after Kelly, Cogniglio or Whitfield. Offer up some big money and make something happen. Another year of waiting for Petracca’s to reach his potential doesn’t cut it anymore.

 

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You are way off the mark with Petracca 'Bombay'...

He has ben good in an otherwise lacklustre forward half.

If we need him to be a superstar you are probably right but if we need a good player then he is it.

Rather than superstar I expect him to step up to A grade for his position.

He's the least of our problems.

[Ted Lasso 19,586]

  On 19/08/2019 at 23:37, rjay said:

You are way off the mark with Petracca 'Bombay'...

He has ben good in an otherwise lacklustre forward half.

If we need him to be a superstar you are probably right but if we need a good player then he is it.

Rather than superstar I expect him to step up to A grade for his position.

He's the least of our problems.

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Important to note he's spent most of this season averaging around 20 touches and a goal, high in goal assists and ranked in the top 5 general forwards in the comp most of this year. for a guy early ish in his career still i think it's a bit rough asking for more. 

it's literally only happening because he's not kicking bags but surely people would be happier with consistency?

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,510]

  On 19/08/2019 at 23:37, rjay said:

You are way off the mark with Petracca 'Bombay'...

He has ben good in an otherwise lacklustre forward half.

If we need him to be a superstar you are probably right but if we need a good player then he is it.

Rather than superstar I expect him to step up to A grade for his position.

He's the least of our problems.

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RJAY my frustration surrounding Petracca is driven by his unfulfilled potential. Yes his overall game has improved but he’s still prone to fade in and out of games and his set shots on goal are a concern. I don’t see his disposal as damaging as others do. We’re a team crying out for stars, with Petracca I see an opportunity to move him on and re roll the dice. 

[Demon Disciple 12,537]

Whilst i don't think it wise to move him on (yet), it concerns me that he doesn't seem to have the desire to tear games apart and impose himself on the contest.

[Panamapapers 60]

  On 18/08/2019 at 23:58, Bombay Airconditioning said:

When people are discussing potential list changes the same names are put fwd,

JKH, Stretch, ANB, Spargo, Wagner, Omac etc.

Petracca and Hibberd seem to escape scrutiny. Hibberd turns 30 next year (last year of contract) so would be of no interest to any of the other clubs. The Suns would be chasing others in that age group but in the Luke Hodge mould. 

We lack star power, when we drafted Petracca I was so excited thinking he would become a hybrid of Dangerfield and Robbie Grey. He is yet to deliver on his dominance as a junior and regularly goes missing for periods in games. I personally don’t think he’ll ever become the player we need him to. We are faced with the Watts / Hogan scenario, what have we learnt....We held Watts 1-2 years too long and got minimal return. We got rid off Hogan at exactly the right time and got May in return. Some argued we should got more and whilst this year hasn’t been great for May most were happy we were able to land him when we did. The time to move on Petracca is now, package him up with next years first round pick or trade for a mid to late first round and package that with next years first round pick and go after some real midfield class. Let’s go after Kelly, Cogniglio or Whitfield. Offer up some big money and make something happen. Another year of waiting for Petracca’s to reach his potential doesn’t cut it anymore.

 

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Totally and utterly agree

Viney, Brayshaw and Petracca must be offered and see what we can get 

[The Swimming Dee 1,907]

There are some crazy posts on this thread. Petracca has had a very good year! I’m not sure how some on here can’t see that 

[spirit of norm smith 16,679]

  On 17/08/2019 at 09:50, spirit of norm smith said:

Langdon for 2nd round 2019 (circa #21) and swap of 1st rounders in 2020 with Freo. Outside run on the wing  GET HIM IN  

Schoenmakers 25yo who can be picked up as a free agent - 3rd tall or backup for Weid  - Good Eye for the goals  (we need goal kickers)

#2-3 Ash -18yo  instantly walks into wing opposite Langdon  ; big call needed if Rowell was available 

#39 Bergman - 18yo classy youngster from the Dragons    Suits our need to get skilled footballers in  

# 57 - Brodie Newman 18yo  super talent  doesn’t get all the recognition  like an Easton Wood type   Competitive skilled wins the footy 192cm   Allows Salem into a roll in mid if needed

# 75-  will Fordham 23yo  (Frankston VFL) classy skilled midfielder who runs and accumulates OR Matthew Allen - eagles listed but  stars everyweek in wafl (wasted)

upgrade to the list. Dunkley. Lockhart.  CWagner

Gone. 9) Lewis Spargo Keilty T Smith Jkh Maynard Garlett Walker Jwags 

medicals  avberg Jsmith kkolodahjjjjjjji 

 

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How can Spargo stay. Last week was so bad.  Shocking turnovers and is physically pushed aside like a 12year old schoolboy. 

[dazzledavey36 56,347]

  On 20/08/2019 at 12:43, spirit of norm smith said:

How can Spargo stay. Last week was so bad.  Shocking turnovers and is physically pushed aside like a 12year old schoolboy. 

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Did you just quote yourself to argue a point... to your self?? ?

[Tough Kent 2,138]

Tim Smith has hung up the boots. Will be announced in the next day or two. Injuries got the better of him.

[titan_uranus 25,255]

  On 19/08/2019 at 22:28, dazzledavey36 said:

We are putting all of our energy into Ed Langdon and yet the likes of Zak Jones, Tom Papley Congilio will all just waltz straight past us to either So Kilda or Carlton.

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How do you know that: 

1. We’re only focusing on Langdon?

2. We’re not focusing on those other three?

3. They’re all going to St Kilda or Carlton?

Or is this just pure MFCSS?

[Dirts 429]

  On 20/08/2019 at 21:35, titan_uranus said:

How do you know that: 

1. We’re only focusing on Langdon?

2. We’re not focusing on those other three?

3. They’re all going to St Kilda or Carlton?

Or is this just pure MFCSS?

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So Carlton and St Kilda taking everyone. Maybe we can send a few over. 

Salary Cap will be a problem especially for blues in two years time.

[Colm 2,204]

Think petracca improved this year so I wouldn’t be getting rid of him this year. Hibbert one is interesting-we have good cover down back and he would be valuable to GC. Him and future draft pick for King would be sweet. But we have more important areas to sort out before we bring in another tall forward. 

[samcantstandya 1,081]

  On 20/08/2019 at 12:24, The Swimming Dee said:

There are some crazy posts on this thread. Petracca has had a very good year! I’m not sure how some on here can’t see that 

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No way Petracca is traded. Absolute nonsense. These are the same people that say Jones deserves to play every day regardless of form because he stuck fat during our lean years. But Jones got paid a #$@$load & is no longer best 22. I'd be staggered if we compromise the team 4 the individual & nurse him to 300 games. If he gets there he needs to be in form otherwise play him at Casey.

[KingDingAling 3,758]

  On 20/08/2019 at 23:42, samcantstandya said:

No way Petracca is traded. Absolute nonsense. These are the same people that say Jones deserves to play every day regardless of form because he stuck fat during our lean years. But Jones got paid a #$@$load & is no longer best 22. I'd be staggered if we compromise the team 4 the individual & nurse him to 300 games. If he gets there he needs to be in form otherwise play him at Casey.

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We could keep Jones, nurse him to 300, use his leadership at Casey whilst maintaining depth incase we are a mid short at some stage next year. Jones still has something to offer. Its a good precedent to reward loyalty at this club, even if he were well paid. We want it out there that if you join MFC we will reward your loyalty.

[Red and Blue realist 2,063]

  On 20/08/2019 at 23:50, KingDingAling said:

We could keep Jones, nurse him to 300, use his leadership at Casey whilst maintaining depth incase we are a mid short at some stage next year. Jones still has something to offer. Its a good precedent to reward loyalty at this club, even if he were well paid. We want it out there that if you join MFC we will reward your loyalty.

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Totally agree, but lets not nurse him to 300, keep him on the list but make him earn the spot. He should be like Lewis this year and Vince the year before and be told he's not an automatic selection and that he has to be prepared to play Casey. He's been offered minimal money that reflects this anyway, and won't be captain next season. 

Having said that, he would be the absolutely perfect person to go to the Gold Coast to help out for a year, but it would be cruel given what he's been through with us.  

[Thehardtackler 785]

Given his father’s public criticism of the club and the fact that he is out of contract, will Joel Smith be leaving us? I thought that he looked likely at times, up forward.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

  On 21/08/2019 at 12:05, Thehardtackler said:

Given his father’s public criticism of the club and the fact that he is out of contract, will Joel Smith be leaving us? I thought that he looked likely at times, up forward.

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He's one of a few intriguing names that are still uncontracted. Frost, Stretch (for different reasons) and ANB are the other ones for mine.

[whatwhat say what 23,866]

if i was joel smith, i would probably want to leave to have another opportunity at a new environment

i imagine the bigger question is whether, given his injury history, anyone else would be interested in investing in him