Out: Jones, O.Mac, ANB, Sparrow, May (inj)

In: Stretch, Petty, Baker, Wagner, Spargo

Petty a straight swap for O.Mac. With May injured go smaller and faster in the backline with Wagner. Jones too slow and hack disposal, bring in Stretch. Sparrow to Casey for development, give Baker a shot to counter Essendon’s leg speed. Drop ANB and increase the forward lines IQ by bringing in Spargo.

Would like to try Preuss at some stage, but when classy crumbers like Garlett become available; need someone like that at his feet.

The biggest change however needs to be the death of ‘Phonebox football’. Where there’s a pack of three or four of our guys surrounding one or two opponents, who then knock it out to space and we’re left flat footed whilst they run away with it.

 

 

We traded J Hogan for S May?

Ffs

May injured? Great. Has had a 10/10 start to his career at Melbourne. 

9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Dropping Jones? FFS Are people stupid enough to think an AFL captain will be dropped!? [censored] wake up to yourselves, never has that been done in the history of AFL.

I have been asking this question since last year, but what on earth does ANB actually add to this side?? It is a complete joke Wagner was dropped ahead of this spud.

Our depth is being tested right about now and i feel we are a Brayshaw or Oliver injury away from being a bottom 6 side.

Did Bailey make Greene a sub once?

47 minutes ago, PJ_12345 said:

Did Bailey make Greene a sub once?

Yes. 

Not sure whats that got to do with an AFL captain being dropped?

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yes. 

Not sure whats that got to do with an AFL captain being dropped?

He was captain under DB. Ive never seen a captain dropped, but being a captain sub was just as bad (cant lead from the bench). I can recall that it attracted a lot of critisism at the time.

They will only make a couple of changes. Petracca has to be dropped but probably won't be. His efforts were poor. Weed was the same. May won't play. Bring in Kielty and Stetch for weed and May.

5 minutes ago, PJ_12345 said:

He was captain under DB. Ive never seen a captain dropped, but being a captain sub was just as bad (cant lead from the bench). I can recall that it attracted a lot of critisism at the time.

That was actually Todd Viney who did that. I must admit i thought at the time it was the wrong choice to choose Green as a captain. He was a very selfish footballer. 

Let’s drop Jones and replace him with Corey Wagner ?

We have at least two players who don’t look AFL ready in Sparrow and Lockhart and another who looks way off AFL pace in Kolodjashnij. May also might need covering if he’s injured. However,  I can’t see any magic panacea waiting in the wings at Casey. Stretch might be a minor upgrade on Sparrow, but by and large we’re stuck with what we’ve got until the glut of injured half-forwards we have come good.

I think there will be fewer changes than people think, and what changes there are won’t involve senior/experienced players. They will be backed in to come good.

9 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

So you want to move Keilty up forward? Based on what? Its speculative and desperate. Tom McDonald has actually shown something up forward. Keep him there. He isn't our problem. Our problem is our lack of effective disposal inside forward 50. If Tom McDonald had clean disposal coming into him he'd be kicking straight and there would be no problem. MFC have a big problem, but it isn't our players, its our coaching and their lack of structure and planning.

Keilty has been playing forward ruck and has been showing enough to be ahead of what pruess showed in jlt. 

Agree completely with leaving t-mac forward, but the effective disposal is also to blame on our key forwards and coaches, they need to make space for each other and charge out and demand the kicker to attempt the kick. Jogging around the forward 50 all flying in the same pack didnt work last year and isnt going to work this year. Which brings my next question, t-mac started well both games leading and taking marks all over the ground, but ran out of gas pretty quick and reverted to wanting it bombed on his head, he was always in the top group in pre season time trials, has his toe taken away his ability to get the miles in taking away one of his top strengths?

2 hours ago, GCDee said:

We need pruess in purely from the structural stand point. 6 6 6 means he or Gawn will get one out inside 50 should we win the centre clearance and move forward quickly.

The next three games are all very winnable 3-2 after 5 wouldn't be the end of the world considering how poor the preseason has been, we will be getting lever and hannan back shortly too. 

Pruess in, would weaken our forward pressure way to much, its poor now. he struggled running out a half in jlt 1, Keilty offered more up forward and competed in the ruck, while smashing pruess around the ground. It would also keep at least 2 kpp playing as forwards stopping the opposition backman outnumbering our talls.

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

We traded J Hogan for S May?

Ffs

Yep. The trade is a bust because we haven’t had much value in the first two games.

13 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

That was actually Todd Viney who did that. I must admit i thought at the time it was the wrong choice to choose Green as a captain. He was a very selfish footballer. 

Good memory.

I could see us making a few changes.  May out, possibly Petty to come in.  I think playing May in the intercept role was not ideal.  Petty would serve us better.  I would think Omac is at risk.

I could see Stretch coming in, and playing a wing or half forward role.  There is a long list of people he would replace, ANB, Sparrow being possibles. We need our half forwards to really lock down their half backs, as we see at the moment, with no lock in, the Bummers run and gun will cut us open.  Hunt in a defensive role of Saad could also work.

Set KK back to half back.  Lets see what he has.  If we had him and Salem quarterbacking with better 1:1 defense behind them, the backline would start to shape up nicely.

We need a genuine crumber /small forward.  Maybe this is where we put Lockhart, or use him as a lockdown half forward.  I loved the way he slammed Selwood several times.  Not sure who else we can look at with Jeffy out.  DId Spargo do enough??

We went too tall into a wet game.  Friday night looks dry (27 during the day).  We could certainly look at Keitly for a debut as ruck support/forward, as I doona think Preuss does enough around the ground to make the squad yet.

12 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Yep. The trade is a bust because we haven’t had much value in the first two games.

Yeah, yeah

I think we need to have our wingmen hold space at centre bounces and general play, then look to have our mids kick sideways/short to them to open up our fwd 50 more. We need to get it to the outside so weid and tmac can find the space to get on the lead inside f50.

Atm we are too predictable in our ball movement. Enough of just bombing down the middle from clearances. It just forms a pack inside 50 with all our blokes getting in each others way and then creates a lot of space for the oppo to run it out easily. With our lack of leg speed it plays into opposition hands and they can move it easily down field to score.

We need to spread, take more uncontested marks and move it more deliberately. So I'd be dropping the butcher's and bringing in the better kicks.

Out- ANB, Hunt, Sparrow, May inj.

In- Spargo, Baker, CWagner, hore

B- Jetta  Oscar  hibberd

HB- Salem frost  hore

C- Fritsch  harmes brayshaw

HF- Trac  weid  spargo

FF- Wagner tmac  melk

R- Gawn Oliver  viney

Int- lockhart kk Jones baker

 

 

 

This is from an SEN article

According to Goodwin, Braydon Preuss, Declan Keilty, Billy Stretch and Corey Wagner are all a chance to come in for Friday night’s match at the MCG, after showing good signs in the VFL.

4 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

This is from an SEN article

According to Goodwin, Braydon Preuss, Declan Keilty, Billy Stretch and Corey Wagner are all a chance to come in for Friday night’s match at the MCG, after showing good signs in the VFL.

They’re just the names he dropped off the top of his head in the press conference. Indicative at best.

11 minutes ago, Nasher said:

They’re just the names he dropped off the top of his head in the press conference. Indicative at best.

Not hard to find those names though.... almost the only ones left ???

2 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

We traded J Hogan for S May?

Ffs

Yes.. we traded a guy who didn't want to be at our club for a proven full back, KK & Tom Sparrow.

Not many games where you get thrashed but win most of the stats.

Tells me it is gameplan and not just personnel.

If May is injured there is a change but other than Stretch for someone I cannot really see the benefit of a change unless it is Keilty to add support to Gawn. Preuss just does not display the necessary round the ground skills to justify selection at present.

Change for the sake of change just leads to instability. There's not much at Casey and to be honest there hasn't been much there for the last few years.

I don’t pretend to understand the ramifications of the 6x6x6 yet, but a couple of thoughts. It seems Max can no longer drop back and save us, or go forward and save us.So really limits his impact.

Seems also that by turning over 100% ownership of the ball to a 50/50 ( which we do a lot by simply hacking it forward out of the midfield) simply increases the counterattack  from half back where the opposition hit clean targets.

Maybe rule change a bit of a double whammy against us?

 

We need Lewis back in the side for his leadership down back. We need Garlett back in the side so that we have a genuine crumbing forward. We need AVB and Hannan back as they're better half-forwards than the ones we're playing right now. And we need Lever back so that we don't have to keep playing both of Frost and Oscar.

But none of that is happening this week, so any changes we make are just bottom 6 players for bottom 6 players. As we did last year, we need to turn our fortunes around with the overwhelming majority of the 22 who played last night.

Longer term, we have to think long and hard about where Jones, Petracca, OMac and ANB are at in their careers. 

1 hour ago, DemonOX said:

This is from an SEN article

According to Goodwin, Braydon Preuss, Declan Keilty, Billy Stretch and Corey Wagner are all a chance to come in for Friday night’s match at the MCG, after showing good signs in the VFL.

Yes hard to see Omcd staying in. Has had real shockers and lacks skill, strength, smarts or pace.  Gets caught out too much. Petty in for me. 

Jonesy is struggling.  Might just just stay in. 

Stretch definitely in.  

Just get rid of Neal Bullen please. 

His involvements last night were bizarre to say the least and the kid manages to kill momentum like nobody’s business. 

Frustrates the absolute [censored] out of me. 

May will be injured and Oscar, Frost, KK, Lockhart, ANB, Sparrow don’t really look up to it whilst Weid, Jones, Hunt, Petracca, T Mc and even Hibberd and Fritsch are struggling.

It’s a disaster really. After 6 debuts in 2 weeks I don’t think kids are the answer although we probably need at least 1 more debut with a big bloke.

I’d probably go T Smith, Keilty, Stretch and C Wagner for Weid, May, ANB and Sparrow and move Jones to half back.