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I was in school around the time symonds was being called a monkey from the stands, i'd never been called a monkey or called someone a monkey as a rascial slur before that, as i said, i was young and maybe it just hadnt happened yet. I dont like wayne carey either, i havent met him, what will you label me for that? I hope i dont upset my sisters young girls next time i see them, blurting out rascial slurs and booing at them. Taking them up to darwin where they're dads from, when my sister was sick and couldnt go, experiencing that with them and a welcoming family was really tuff seeing theyre heritage and my mothers being rascist. While my mother was indigenous, noone believed her when told, you could not tell, she was white, and we grew up in a regional city and it wasnt a big part of my life, my father was born in india to an english dad and english indian mother, my siblings and i copped rascial discrimination multiple times a day due to this, even teachers and still constantly do by adults that would never say these types of things about indigenous. Be honest, do you have an image or pre-concieved impression when indian is mentioned? A lot do. It used to get to me growing up, but i never threw an imaginary hot bowl of curry at my classmates with all that anger. If some poor uneducated yobbo attacked my nieces, id be devastated with them, i would try and teach them not to let it get to them too much, and dont be a victim. dont let someones flaw become your flaw. its rarer now than 25 years ago. Im not saying everyone who boo'd or doesnt like goodes has the same reasons, some were rascially motivated. I dont want anyone to be the butt of the joke because they're different, i seem used to it now and dont bother getting offended. Goodes had it tuff with thousands booing him weekly, and this is what i realized from the doco, was he the one who raised it being rascist or was it the opposite group think that jump on something like this and push it to make them feel good about themselves, insulting others calling them rascist. Remembering back i think goodes was mainly quite on the reason why? Now i dont believe i have rascist undertones, i dont think i have any undertones. cant i just have an opinion on a person? @Neil Crompton you have just made an assumptiom about me. Without knowing me. I am not upset or having a go at you, if you believe that if someone doesnt like someone, and if they are coloured, then they may be rascist, thats fine, you may be drawing that from past experiences. I will ask you and others who all seem very quick to point the finger and mark someone as rascist, maybe what a person has said may be rascist, but if people get called a rascist when they dont believe they are, its the Australian way to dig your heels in. Which i think contributed to goodes. Sorry for the long post, it was strange typing most of it out.

I never boo'd goodes. But i didnt like the way i thought he went about it. What he tried to do i like, the way he came across i didnt. I saw his press conference the day after he pointed out the girl for the first time in the doco, while ignorance is no excuse i only knew it was racist because of the andrew symonds vs indian fans situation, she was a bit young to remember that. He handled that quite poorly, but the next day quite well and put supporting the girl above any other issue, never saw that at tge time and it wasnt discussed around the water cooler. The invasion day line was also different than i thought, there were many interviews and they seemed to proceed with a line of questioning that would draw that answer. The spear throwing, while it showed something different and intriguing, when he did it i thought the aggression at the opposition supporters was never about a underage teams cultural war dance, it was about adam goodes's anger. Goodes never was an afl wide favourite. He was respected but not adored by opposition fans, and when the ugly parts of his game became more and more prominent, and then other issues come up people judge from previous impressions. So, after all that, i dont believe the majority of the boo's were racist. I have more time for goodes now than i did before, not because im a little bit less racist, its because i saw new evidence, mob group think can alter information. These types of documentaries are quite one sided though and make everyone on the opposite side of the narrative look quite bad, and has done so to the fans. Eddys comments were just bad though, no excuses. Sam's i think are a bit like the above, seemed he made his comments on the mob think narrative, but being in media perhaps he should have had his finger on the pulse. One issue I'd like to raise is, people seemed to boo more when they were told it was racist and offensive. Like when i tell my child not to do something she will do it twice as much to prove she can, so, if what you are doing or saying has come from a non racist thought/feeling with no rascial intention, is it only decided by the individual that its racist if they get offended? Could someone order a coffer black and i get offended, and that person is now a racsist. I'll finish with this line this time. I dont like adam goodes, but i have more time for him than i used to. So am i racist?

No no no, Dig up stupid.

Goes back further than that, back when we hired misson from sydney i think. Mitch Clarke, jack trengove

I thought the rule was you must use a first round pick? The afl can also approve trades.

If we get pick one why not trade it for 2 early picks? Unless the top 3 are absolute standouts and what we need(not another one string contested onballer) Its worked for us before, tyson made us instantly better, salems coming on and hunts a bonus. We now have Preuss through tyson now too. While id love kelly, we were apparently after billings, out of the first 9, kelly and bont were the only one that would make you think about it in hindsight. 1. Tom Boyd 2. Josh Kelly 3. Jack Billings 4. Bont 5. Kk 6. Matt Scharenberg 7. James Aish 8. Luke Mcdonald 9. Salem 10. Nathan Freeman

Watching kk earlier in the year and his last half for casey against collingwood he needs to work on fitness. Leave him at casey, work his guts out, full pre season and hit the new season giving him the best chance to play good footy.

Interesting watching casey with more afl players available this week had much more space in the fwd50 and a clear change in plan and execution. Hopefully its the start of change.

Id like to know if viney is playing with the foot injury still. If he is, we are failing jack and learnt nothing from the past 8 years of ruining careers. If he can rest and return to full fitness he was showing he was next in line after jones, i think he was probably given co captaincy a year earlier than most thought as jones was still in our top 3 but couldnt question that jack deserved it. If he is going to be hampered long term, i would hope jack would step aside to focus on his game without the added pressure of playing because hes captain.

Is my hungover brain correct in remembering that it was turf toe? i recall fremantle dealing with aaron sandilands when he had the same issue. Dont hold me to this but i think he too tried to play through, then rested came back and flared up again and i think he was out for a large period of time. Freo put one of the top ruckman in the afl out for the betterment of sandilands and fremantles long term prospects. modified his training and sandilands came back and was able to play at a high level. When we hired misson most people were excited, he was a vast improvement from the i dont feel like doing a time trail days. I can recall afew posters airing concern that our long term doc was pushed out and misson given more control of players. I know misson is already leaving and when your not winning you look for people to blame, but the way we handle injury is the poorest in the league. People joke about may and kk at gold coast, being able to get them better, do you think potential players look at our strike rate and think its a positive. All the way back to mitch clarke we have ruined players careers. We as fans were getting frustrated, how was action not taken earlier? I know misson had a contract, but surely some support would have helped.

Spargo is neither the problem or the scape goat, at this stage hes just a nothing. I can see the good things he does, neat kicks that often end up being scoring chains, presents and gets to where he should be and thats it. When he gets to where the ball is he is to often beaten. Doesnt kick enough goals and defenders dont worry about him. I read earlier someone state that hes brendon McCartny's pet project this year. Do track, brayshaw, oliver and our other young guys with big potential stroke his ego as much as if he developes these type. I know he worked close with harmes, but why does it always seem to be a rookie or lower draft pick. I would love for these p lkayers to actually improve to stardom. Its just amazing we continue to play them injured, i dont know for sure but you would assume its related to the previous injuries that they tried to play through and made it worse. Viney going out for a rest may even jump start oliver back into form like last time. A fit viney oliver brayshaw and harmes with jones still in there with our setups seem to hurt all their form.

Sorry if i mixed up your comment about the captaincy and riding on todds coattails with someone else. We traded lever to play kpb, there were many quotes around the start of last year from mfc officials. Was he kpb? No, but was always expected to grow into that role. Im stating that todd removed himself from the drafting process of jack and the gws gc issues at the time of his drafting. Im stating that jack being made co captain had nothing to do with todd being employed by the mfc. Im stating that the coaching staff made the decision on the form and leadership that jack had shown, and (this is just a guess) that they thought it would be beneficial to jack, nathan, and the mfc. Not because it would make todd happy. Todd is a highly respected figure around afl circles and is regarded highly for his football nous and professionalism. While i think its great someones taking them to practice goal kicking, is todd really the guy the players are going get the most out of? His kicking was not the strongest part of his game, but as the old saying goes, those who cant, teach. As with any employment, people grow tired or get comfortable in a position and start going through the motions. If you are suggesting this maybe happening with todd and a change in role or a fresh look from someone new can improve the mfc, im all for it, but on this subject i do not have enough information to form an knowledgeable opinion on this subject.

While i disagree with oliver, may and dropping viney completely, its amazing how quick i forgot about nev in these discussions. He has been what mfc has lacked since junior.(no offence to jones but his game was very centered on jones's game for a few years) If gawn continues his form and style of play/leadership he qualifies in this catergory too, but has dropped his bundle a couple of games. Players that just produce what is expected of them each and every contest. Too many times we've thrown players into leadership roles after one or 2 good years only to see them lose form. We've tried trading experienced leaders in, bandaided the problem (cross, vince, lewis) while our young players learn off them. Nev and gawn are the only 2 that have come on, viney was, but id say that was part of him anyway and injuries have hampered him. Now we need more players to stand up, the next wave of brayshaws, olivers, petraccas, harmes, lever, hunt has shown glimpes of dragging teammates up, but until these are the players that are at that level, we will be lacking.

Absolutely. Did i state anywhere that we shouldnt review everything? I even stated about his current form and injury history. I called you out on the fabricated tale of viney being named co captain because his father is employed by this club. He had nothing to do with this. His father who is involved in drafting and removed himself from decisions involving his son, and even his sons friend to a certain point. You believe what you like but facts speak for themselves. Lever was traded in for a position as kpb. As evidenced by 2018 early season games where he was exposed one on one as a kpb, and goodwin made many comments about lever learning the melbourne way and playing kpb.

Wow an out of form injury returning contested mid worth less than kpp. Mind blowing stuff. One Isolated comment? Similar comments were being made by media personal, and afl fans alike. I never quoted it as an general opinion, it may have not been yours and i would not try to say it was, but many people were acknowledging his rise as a player and i didnt see many if any fans on here questioning his capacity as co captain at this time. He has not returned to that level as a player. As a leader he showed that in finals last year. Where players and leaders are made. Im not denying he has been below this level this year. But to say he is co captain because of his father is just not true. If you would like to make an argument for him to step aside as captain for injury and form reasons, then i have no problem. But you are discrediting him and his work to get to where he has. I see he is working on his disposal and decision making in contests. If jones retires this year, is it a good idea to rip the captaincy away from the heart and soul player that viney is, or back him in to improve his form with consistent games and pre season fittness?

Ive discussed trac many times with @DV8, while early inthe season i excused some form for match fittnesd and structures, his recent poor games are completely petracca related. For a half forward flank it was a standard game. Without looking at stats from other teams i would guess this would be slightly above average. Problem is he looks capable of so much more, more tkme in the guts or even throwing him back would improve his impact throughout a game. The problem is, remove him from the hff and the replacement probably wont deliver the same output and trac may take a while to adjust. Do we drop him to the vfl to improve which will hurt the team or possibly hurt the team while he makes mistakes in a new role? Seasons over, i would throw him in the deep end at afl. Fritsch forward trac back, or even wagner out and make trac accountable for someone, tell him beat him, and hurt him the other way. Im more worried about shat we're allowing oliver to geg away with.

Nasher, i couldnt agree more, while ive been guilty of emotional posts in the past, i can not understand how fans question how viney is co captain, goodwin may have handled it better with jones, but no one questioned his leadership capabilities at the time and most thought it was a good introduction for him as co caprain with very few saying he could learn the same as vice, not because of viney but because they didnt like co captains. Before jacks injuries he was being compared to selwood and was looking at taking the next step. Ability wise and leadership wise. Were fans saying he was being favored because of todd after the geelong and hawthirn finals last year? His disposal had improved before his injuries, still his lack of a right foot would have held him back at some stage. Tonight, he looked for a handball or a short kick out of a contest. Hes coming back from injury, and may never get back to what he was becoming, or even what he was, but the fact hes changed his style and is working on these weaknesses is exactly what you want, . Jones was horrible at this, but during his best years lowered his eyes and hit targets going forward, as his yime is coming to an end he is returning to his early ways of bombing it forward. Often happens with ageing players, but i highly doubt any of these forwards are resentful to these two. This talk of jack riding on todds coattails is utter fiction.

I have defended petracca at the start of the season due to lack of fitness, then a few poor games called for a change of role. But failing to kick for goal and trying to pass it is a coach driven practice. Ive read in a past article where our plan is to put it in "the hot spot" in front of the square as this is where the highest percentage of accurate goals is kicked from. Goodwins huge on numbers and the plan is to get it to someone in this position. For a forward flank petracca meets the pass mark. Sad as i hoped ge would be much more. Weids looked pretty good in the last when he was hit up on the lead. Encouraging. Oliver was at his most damaging tonight. Unfortunately it was his defensive attributes that were damaging us because he follows the contest and allows his opponent (trelore) to position himself as the outlet with no pressure.

I dont like adam goodes. I thought he got boo'd occasionally before he pointed out the younh girl for horrible racist comments. I think he could have used this terrible situation that wasnt his fault in a much better way. Teaching and bringing people together. Instead he polarized. Am i racist? I think adam goodes is racist.

If i were a betting man, with our history of foot and toe injuries, melksham will be pushing to be fit round 1 2020

Tmac kicks straight, his misses are straight just lined up wrong, he seems to nail the one on the angle right footers have trouble with sliding accross the face, then the one that suits right footers he has no natural swing to bring it back. Weid can miss the odd easy one but his technique seems pretty good so would expect him to be accurate most times. Hunt, like gawn is more confident kicking from 40 out. After gawns miss vs geelong he said in an interview that distance troubles him and is only 50 50, so obviously he was trying to work on it, but if hes say 80 20 or better from further out, why not just walk back and kick from furthef out? Trac, i think he needs some one on one with a dunstall or fevola, respect is a big thing, and when someone like dunstall tells you something you take it on board more. We've been told our team is underdone, its a lot harder to hit that team mate inside 50 or put it over the goal umpires head when fatigued. Our skills are down and so is goal kicking

I know this is the role he has played when in the seniors, but if anb gets up, I'd be looking at garlett out wagner in. While garlett does create opportunities it seems he fluffs most up, also fluffs up the standard stuff now, if it were lockhart or another young kid i would give more time, but he's no kid, and would prefer the standard stuff someone else will provide

I disagree completely. While i think we got the raw end of the stick vs hawthorn, a blatant throw from frost was missed in the dieing seconds. Hawks fans would be thinking thevsame as you. Gold coast player ran down and executed sn awesome tackle on hunt in the last 2 minutes i think. Hunt given an eternity threw it on the boot. Goal to us, if that got rewarded game over we lose. While we see all the blatant ones they miss for us and get angry, we shrug off the others or think thats one back. While we see every line ball free as ours, and outburst when not given, the opposition outburst when it is. The problem is, the standard has dropped away and different interpretations between individual umpires varys greatly. I went in expecting the worst agaisnt eagles boo influence, but the first qtr and a bit was umpired well. The block free to kennedy was a shocker but considering the perth factor, if the standard stayed that high it would have been great. Umpires make mistakes. It always seems you get more 50/50s when ontop and playing fast attacking football, as if the umpires get wound up in the teams momentum. Even interstate. When the home team gets ontop thats when the obvious ones starg getting missed. We havent played like that much this year. They got away with more for sure, while the crowd does play a large factor, i think if we had momentum the umpiring would have not been as bad. As above I would love if the umpires had to have press conferences with vision available to answer questions from the media and how they came up with a decision, or missed one from being on the wrong angel or something like that. Imagine this "It would be better for the game fir them to come out and say, "yeah it was a great tackle and i had the whistle almost in the mouth but he managed to get a boot on it and we've been instructed to allow more time in hope it frees play up, we'll review and adjust until its right for the betterment of the game" Or "Yes looking at that vision it was clearly a dangerous tackle, the way his head hit the ground was what the rule was brought in for, the lead up to the call and the way the play unfolded was looking like a clear holding the ball, afyer review if i had my time over it would have been paid to melbourne." Give the fans and players more access to the thoughts on decisions and stop treating umpires like always right gods. Dont allow players to abuse, and even be harsher on it, rampe saying "you talk like a girl" should have been "you're gonna have to call louder, if i cant hear you call play on, i could get hurt" no doubt that would come up in press conference. i think people would understand whats going through the umpires head, and accept if they made a mistake.

Dv8, ive enjoyed our discussions on petracca, for the start of the season i gave him the same leeway we were giving the rest. Cameo fwd who wasnt match fit and could see him blowing out after contests. Still he was a better option than anything at casey. Disagreed with you on throwing him back to defence due to this. While still not being a marathon runner, i believe his match fittness has improved and a different role for him is needed where he controls how involved in the game he is. Does he unseat any of our mids? Possibly baker on a wing, but baker looks to be one that could grow into that role and out preform him in that role, so no. Possibly jones, but the team benifits more from jones as a contested midfielder and petracca fwd(agaisnt w.c messed up more opportunities than he got right, and was one of our worst but managed to be involved in some of our best plays) than jones underperforming in other roles. We have one player playing out of position and stinking it up. Baily Fristch. Last year when played in defence through need struggled and was not afl standard. Same this year, Fristch while might not do the extraordinary as well as pretracca, his value to the team is greater. We've trialed fristch why not petracca now hes a bit more match fit. Its either that or accept him being an ok player who can do elite things but also do the horrendous. I remember this and it seemed we defended the switch and angled kick in so well all night, they seemed to change it up by going short a couple of times and hitting the more dangerous kick while we were resetting. While for the first 3 and a half qtrs we were able to cover them, i think our fittness issues were the reason they out ran us to create the loose.

What the [censored] was that. Frist has been so much better recent weeks but 2 bad errors just remind us of what he can do.