Rapt - He,s a Gun ! Could make a massive difference fully fit .

As I mentioned on Monday, AVB was the standout in the Rehab group with his leadership and the way he was approaching his training. He should be Tyson's direct replacement in the midfield and rotating forward at times.

Can’t underestimate the impact AVB had in the finals against Geelong and Hawthorn. Was an instrumental  part in our blanket attack on the footy and opposition.

Good to see Vanders  back early from rehab.   Stay  healthy we need you for the finals for the big assault.

Edited January 16, 20196 yr by nosoupforme

My mum knows next to nothing about footy but she and I had a good old laugh every time Vanders got the ball in both of the finals we won last year; even she could see he's good at everything other than actually handling the football. Lucky for him he's amazing at that stuff because he can't kick or handball worth a damn.

Fully fit Vanders after what he did back end of last year with very little training base --- Yes Please.

If you’ve played competitive footy, you will have a fair inkling that AVB is the sort of bloke you know as opposition that the contest in general is going to brutal and most likely hurt yourself in the end. 

He’s the sort of grunt and mongrel that Roos and Goodwin have built the list by and which ultimately we hope to have the edge in when we go deep in September. 

I’m very pleased we didn’t lose him to Sydney because his value is measured in more than just meat and potatoes. I hope to see him feature quite a bit this year. 

  On 16/01/2019 at 12:36, Chook said:

My mum knows next to nothing about footy but she and I had a good old laugh every time Vanders got the ball in both of the finals we won last year; even she could see he's good at everything other than actually handling the football. Lucky for him he's amazing at that stuff because he can't kick or handball worth a damn.

Yes your mum knows nothing about footy.

AVB was one of the few who stood up and handled the footy properly in the prelim.

  On 16/01/2019 at 15:33, Watson11 said:

Yes your mum knows nothing about footy.

AVB was one of the few who stood up and handled the footy properly in the prelim.

Vanders' disposal in that final was poor & it is the weakest part of his game.  He more than makes up for it with his aggression & ability to find the footy.  It was no surprise to me that on a day when most of his teammates went missing Vanders was one of our best players.

  On 16/01/2019 at 21:37, Cranky Franky said:

Vanders' disposal in that final was poor & it is the weakest part of his game.  He more than makes up for it with his aggression & ability to find the footy.  It was no surprise to me that on a day when most of his teammates went missing Vanders was one of our best players.

AVB has spent a long time out of the game. When he first arrived at the club his disposal was more than adequate. It has steadily gone downhill ever since. Not surprisingly this coincided with a constant run of injuries with sporadic games (usually playing with an injured foot).

With a decent run at it, I would expect his disposal to improve markedly. Just not sure he will get that continuity with his injury record.

  On 16/01/2019 at 21:37, Cranky Franky said:

Vanders' disposal in that final was poor & it is the weakest part of his game.  He more than makes up for it with his aggression & ability to find the footy.  It was no surprise to me that on a day when most of his teammates went missing Vanders was one of our best players.

Yes his disposal can improve, but inside type players hardly ever end up with elite efficiency.  Around 70% efficiency by hand and foot is ok and AVB is just below that. Oliver is slightly better than that.  His disposal was better than nearly all of his teammates in that final.  

I love the Vanders types. They play tough and every opponent knows it. They must constantly wonder where he is. When he tackles you know it will hurt.

  On 16/01/2019 at 15:33, Watson11 said:

handled the footy properly in the prelim

'...handled...' was certainly better in the prelim but still occasionally messy and inconsistent. Not to worry, the real benefit of Vanders, as seen in the prelim, is that opponents of all shapes, sizes and egos are too scared to try to take the ball off him, or to get in his way when obtaining the ball. 

  On 16/01/2019 at 12:58, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Fully fit Vanders after what he did back end of last year with very little training base --- Yes Please.

Scott Pendlebury of the Magpies is tackled by Aaron Vandenberg of the Demons during the 2015 AFL round 18 match between the Collingwood Magpies and the Melbourne Demons

 

... all inspiration, is Vander's.

He's like a pig dog.

.

 

  On 17/01/2019 at 02:22, Deemania since 56 said:

'...handled...' was certainly better in the prelim but still occasionally messy and inconsistent. Not to worry, the real benefit of Vanders, as seen in the prelim, is that opponents of all shapes, sizes and egos are too scared to try to take the ball off him, or to get in his way when obtaining the ball. 

This guy will bust them apart this year. Could be the difference in those close games . Top 4 finish with these sort of players up and about!

  On 17/01/2019 at 02:09, old dee said:

I love the Vanders types. They play tough and every opponent knows it. They must constantly wonder where he is. When he tackles you know it will hurt.

It takes the edge off oppositions focus, "at point of delivery execution", when Vander's is hunting them.

This is the attitude... we want this team wide.

 

Sinc... apologies, for some recently exited, from the Red'n'Blue.

  On 17/01/2019 at 02:49, DV8 said:

Scott Pendlebury of the Magpies is tackled by Aaron Vandenberg of the Demons during the 2015 AFL round 18 match between the Collingwood Magpies and the Melbourne Demons

 

... all inspiration, is Vander's.

He's like a pig dog.

.

 

In this photo, you can see his balance clearly, leveraging from one side of the body to the other due to leg power at release in his leap. This assists him to land laterally, one side or the other, in the tackle and to overcome his opponent's force direction and efforts.

Hence, Vanders gets very few '...in the back calls...' when in the process of tackling. A compensatory opponent pain dosage is often donated should the impact have the correct geometry to nail the bastard into contact with the ground and his body force over the top of it all.  From our perspective, not even Nureyev could choreograph a prettier or more elegant pas de deux. All is generally assisted by his bulk, his strength in the upper body as well, in his '...gonna getcha'...' attitude and in his role as a 'tough-nut' using unusual force attributes whether in contact with the ground or alternatively, having taken off (in flight) with a particular fall-point in mind.

As you can also see in this photo, Pendlebury was doing his best to overbalance down the midline in a forward direction, milking a free kick if he could. Friggin' ineffective, Pendles, bad luck but you are dealing with Vanders so get out of his way because it ain't gonna help your match stats.....

Edited January 17, 20196 yr by Deemania since 56
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The most effective third tall, mid sized, ball winning and goal scoring utility who was genuinely fierce in his attack at the ball and opponents in recent times was our own (former) Martin Pike.

In Balmes only good year as our coach, before all the injuries, Pike filled a slot together with Lyon and Schwartz as a forward with no specific role other than to attack hard at the ball. We taught him so well that he went on to play the same role in four premierships with NM and Brisbane and was always in the best 22 so it was no fluke.

I can see Vanders filling a similar role anywhere from midfield to full forward. His disposal should be less of an issue if he continually denies the opposition the ball or the ability to dispose effectively. Thrown into the mix with TMac, Weeds and Preuss, he offers our coaches another mismatch opportunity in the midfield or the forward line.

When added to the potential of Tracca, Melks, Jeffy, Spargs, Mitch, ANB and any new guys, the potential options are so great that it might take some time for the best combinations to sort themselves out. That's why the coaches get the big bucks.

2020

Go dees.

  On 17/01/2019 at 04:24, Deemania since 56 said:

In this photo, you can see his balance clearly, leveraging from one side of the body to the other due to leg power at release in his leap. This assists him to land laterally, one side or the other, in the tackle and to overcome his opponent's force direction and efforts.

Hence, Vanders gets very few '...in the back calls...' when in the process of tackling. A compensatory opponent pain dosage is often donated should the impact have the correct geometry to nail the bastard into contact with the ground and his body force over the top of it all.  From our perspective, not even Nureyev could choreograph a prettier or more elegant pas de deux. All is generally assisted by his bulk, his strength in the upper body as well, in his '...gonna getcha'...' attitude and in his role as a 'tough-nut' using unusual force attributes whether in contact with the ground or alternatively, having taken off (in flight) with a particular fall-point in mind.

As you can also see in this photo, Pendlebury was doing his best to overbalance down the midline in a forward direction, milking a free kick if he could. Friggin' ineffective, Pendles, bad luck but you are dealing with Vanders so get out of his way because it ain't gonna help your match stats.....

Its just footy mate not splitting the atom or planning the D day invasion.  Just an instinctive tackle & a player trying to throw his tackler.  Do it 3 times & you probably end up with 3 different results.

Just proves that VDB is one of the best tacklers in the team & is a strong boy.

 

  On 17/01/2019 at 22:57, Cranky Franky said:

Its just footy mate not splitting the atom or planning the D day invasion.  Just an instinctive tackle & a player trying to throw his tackler.  Do it 3 times & you probably end up with 3 different results.

Just proves that VDB is one of the best tacklers in the team & is a strong boy.

 

Strength and desire, most certainly. Technique covers everything else including reliability for instinctive behaviours and actions, on the road to a successful outcome. 

Went to Friday training and Vanders looked great.Participated in all the drills.

 

I admit I was unsure about him prior to his return. A lot of people had him in their best 22 and I couldn't see why as I thought we had enough of his body type. I was definitely wrong, he's got a competitiveness that is immeasurable and was a huge part of our late surge.

Given what he was able to achieve without much preparation and so much time out of the game last year, he could make a big difference to our team with a good pre-season.

  On 17/01/2019 at 05:45, tiers said:

The most effective third tall, mid sized, ball winning and goal scoring utility who was genuinely fierce in his attack at the ball and opponents in recent times was our own (former) Martin Pike.

In Balmes only good year as our coach, before all the injuries, Pike filled a slot together with Lyon and Schwartz as a forward with no specific role other than to attack hard at the ball. We taught him so well that he went on to play the same role in four premierships with NM and Brisbane and was always in the best 22 so it was no fluke.

I can see Vanders filling a similar role anywhere from midfield to full forward. His disposal should be less of an issue if he continually denies the opposition the ball or the ability to dispose effectively. Thrown into the mix with TMac, Weeds and Preuss, he offers our coaches another mismatch opportunity in the midfield or the forward line.

When added to the potential of Tracca, Melks, Jeffy, Spargs, Mitch, ANB and any new guys, the potential options are so great that it might take some time for the best combinations to sort themselves out. That's why the coaches get the big bucks.

2020

Go dees.

I think that you can also add Joel Smith into that mix!

Go back to round 22 against the eagled and watch the 1st half. It was Vanders who set the tone for the day with his manic agressive pressure and tackling.

Vanders is best 22 and a crucial part of our structure. 

Edited January 22, 20196 yr by dazzledavey36