4 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Actually I'll end by saying, prefer to go with what the players and fitness staff are telling me, do get some absolute [censored] from some players but there are others I trust to give me a straight answer to a simple question, so as I have said would be surprised, barring any mishaps between now and then, to see only 2 or 3 still in rehab post Xmas

I reckon it will be more than that. The shoulder surgery guys (Clarry, Harmes, Jetta?) probably won't be ready for contact and I doubt Viney will be full time training by then. Lever definitely not. Petracca possibly not either. Not sure where Melk is at but didn't do much running the day I was there and then there is the question mark over where Hannan has been the last two sessions.

On 12/10/2018 at 10:30 AM, george_on_the_outer said:

It's not surprising we have more in rehab given we went deep into September.  We haven't seen this problem for years and we are not accustomed to it.

I think this is the issue 'george'...

Given the late start to training (and required surgery) and the extra long Christmas break this year I'm not overly concerned with the rehab list.

The club wouldn't want to push too many at this stage.

The real measure will be after the break.

I would expect the injury list to drop markedly after the first week back.

19 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Actually I'll end by saying, prefer to go with what the players and fitness staff are telling me, do get some absolute [censored] from some players but there are others I trust to give me a straight answer to a simple question, so as I have said would be surprised, barring any mishaps between now and then, to see only 2 or 3 still in rehab post Xmas

None of that has any relevance to what you were pulled up on. That being; what it is that determines an 'interrupted pre-season'.

I don't need to go and ask coaches at training to know that. 

 

On 12/10/2018 at 2:55 PM, stevethemanjordan said:

 It remains to be seen whether or not the number of players we have in rehab/missing parts of the program will have an impact come the start of the season. Whilst I agree that the majority are at least able to do most of the running part of pre-season, you've cast a blind eye over pretty much every other component of fitness which at this level, are all extremely important given how competitive the game is.

Good post STMJ.

I think there is little doubt we will be impacted by the number of players we have who have had interrupted preseasons. History tells us as much. The question is how much (Note: to be clear i'm not suggesting you think otherwise - i'm sure you agree and were just being conciliatory)  

Of course a mitigating factor will be that most in rehab have been able to keep their fitness levels up, but any disruption hurts to some degree and the issue we have is so many players are having some interruptions.  

An issue for the dees is the 'Melbourne way' ie goody's way places a huge emphasis on fitness but also high intensity, high impact football that will expose any deficit cause by interrupted preparations.

With so few player's rehabbing last year we were able to make a fast start. But one huge positive (and at the risk of jinxing them) is unlike last year Tmac and Viney both seem to have had uninterrupted preseasons thus far. If that continues we will have both ready and raring to go round 1, which will go along way to offset the high impact of the number of players who have had interrupted preseasons 

Edited December 12, 20186 yr by binman

Nicely articulated @binman but we all knew what was happening.  STMJ was playing semantics with Saty as Saty was with STMJ. I used to get involved in this oneupmanship for which I now apologize.  It really is just plain boring.

On a topic related comment, Viney's situation is concerning given his history.  Reported as an ankle operation postseason and in the latest from Ben Guthrie it's now turned into a foot issue.  I'm hoping for the best but I'm not confident.  Waiting for Misso's injury report and looking forward to seeing how many in rehab return to full training post-Christmas.  

 

Brendan McCartney believes how important pre-seasons were. Many players have still to do a full pre-season and how crucial it is to, not only fitness but interestingly, to skill. He said that it is only when the player is at their peak and have totally grown into their body, meaning height as well in Weids case, and actually undergoing a 1st preseason in Vand den and J Smths (I think) case, that the silky side of skills blossoms. I hadnt realised he was foreseeing a large percentage of our best players were going under the knife end of year.

It does make you gasp to see how Jack Viney and van den Burg came in at the end of season and took the bull by the horns so to speak.

In any case it seems to me the telling part of 2019 will be how we go in the 1st half dozen and the last few matches.

Not MFC related but Tom Mitchell has been taken to hospital with a suspected broken leg sustained during training.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-01-11/star-hawk-tom-mitchell-taken-to-hospital-with-suspected-broken-leg

Edited January 11, 20196 yr by Ethan Tremblay
Added link

19 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not MFC related but Tom Mitchell has been taken to hospital with a suspected broken leg sustained during training.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-01-11/star-hawk-tom-mitchell-taken-to-hospital-with-suspected-broken-leg

I'm totally devastated by the news.Feel really bad for Hawthorn about this.

On 12/11/2018 at 4:00 PM, rjay said:

I think this is the issue 'george'...

Given the late start to training (and required surgery) and the extra long Christmas break this year I'm not overly concerned with the rehab list.

The club wouldn't want to push too many at this stage.

The real measure will be after the break.

I would expect the injury list to drop markedly after the first week back.

Its not uncommon to see the power clubs mid ladder up to 6 weeks into the new season... before they start to hit their form.

When playing into late September, we ought to structure our training time-frames to suit being as fresh as we can be, for the finals series.

Cyril has been contacted....

On 12/10/2018 at 9:35 AM, binman said:

My understanding is omac is rehabbing from back pain.

From carrying the backline for the last two years. 

Obviously was too heavy a load.

9 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not MFC related but Tom Mitchell has been taken to hospital with a suspected broken leg sustained during training.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-01-11/star-hawk-tom-mitchell-taken-to-hospital-with-suspected-broken-leg

Terrible thing to happen to Mitchell but I wouldn’t say that a key injury to such a major player for a rival team for a finals spot is “not MFC related”. 

Let’s hope that we don’t suffer a similar setback to one of our players.

On 12/13/2018 at 9:59 AM, Baghdad Bob said:

Nicely articulated @binman but we all knew what was happening.  STMJ was playing semantics with Saty as Saty was with STMJ. I used to get involved in this oneupmanship for which I now apologize.  It really is just plain boring.

On a topic related comment, Viney's situation is concerning given his history.  Reported as an ankle operation postseason and in the latest from Ben Guthrie it's now turned into a foot issue.  I'm hoping for the best but I'm not confident.  Waiting for Misso's injury report and looking forward to seeing how many in rehab return to full training post-Christmas.  

 

The knee bone's connected to the... something.

The something's connected to the red thing.

The red thing's connected to my wristwatch. Uh oh.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2019-01-23/preseason-injury-update-misson

good update from Misso

especially regarding Gussy

only 8 left in Rehab is a big improvement

On 12/10/2018 at 4:40 PM, Redleg said:

Saw an article on Robert Shaw and he described Salem as the most skillful of the players that he coached at Brighton Grammar and that he could turn a game in 15 minutes. Kelly and Watts were others he coached. Pretty big wrap on Salem and suggests he has improvement left in him.

I'd think we would all agree on that because of the plethora of skills that Salem has displayed in a mixed team that rarely involves him in all aspects of the game; what he has shown is a superlative consistency in his application (when the team time aspect of his game was involved). Skills? Most definitely 'YES'. More game involvement? I just wonder about his previous injuries, medical conditions, body build for the rough stuff; so far, he has been more than useful and at times, brilliant. Team maturation will bring out his best, I'm sure.

22 minutes ago, DubDee said:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2019-01-23/preseason-injury-update-misson

good update from Misso

especially regarding Gussy

only 8 left in Rehab is a big improvement

very positive report. hope its on the mark. I noticed Melksham was very restricted during the finals with his hamstring. he was still in such good form for us. amazing really. I think hes more important the Petracca on our forward line so hope we get him right. the other is Viney. amazes me he was in rehab due to his foot, then played finals then back to rehab. Doesn't that suggest we were rolling the dice a bit?. we need to get him right and if you ever going to rest him its now.

Misso is back at last with a Pre-season injury update and reports on the rehab list which consists of 8 players at the moment:-

Oskar Baker coming back from a hammy and “due to do some training on” the club's forthcoming camp. 

Mitch Hannan doing some running after a “double knee scope”.

Nathan Jones is recovering slowly from some back and hamstring issues he had before Christmas.

Jake Lever (ACL) - over a few pre-Christmas issues and “starting to put in some really consistent training.”

Jake Melksham another one a hamstring issue and “taking a little bit more time with it.”

Clayton Oliver - both shoulders were operated on and expected to be in full training by “the end of camp.”

Jack Viney is going really well and will be back from his foot issues in full training after the camp.

Guy Walker had a procedure on his shoulder over the Christmas break “which is going to be a reasonably slow recovery.”

Edited January 23, 20196 yr by Chelly

 

http://afl.com.au/news/2019-02-14/new-demon-facing-uphill-battle-to-be-fit-for-r1

Kade Kolodjashnij will not play in the JLT and is doubtful for Round 1 due to an adductor injury. 

4 minutes ago, Demonland said:

http://afl.com.au/news/2019-02-14/new-demon-facing-uphill-battle-to-be-fit-for-r1

Kade Kolodjashnij will not play in the JLT and is doubtful for Round 1 due to an adductor injury. 

no good

It feels like this preseason we've had way more guys starting slow and recovering from surgery, not to mention a few injuries thrown in. Anyone else concerned heading into the season? I've got a slightly uneasy feeling about it all. Hopefully I'm just being paranoid!

The Flip side is that they were all carrying these injuries into matches hence limiting performance in some way.

It may take 3-4? games to get our best team on the park but at least they may all be in a physically better place by the pointy end of the season. Go Dees!

"We may miss a few heading into round one, we're still working towards that but we'll have to wait and see." - Simon Goodwin, 14/02/2019.

I'm sure I read somewhere that apart from Lever, all payers have pretty much had an uninterrupted preseason?

2 hours ago, Mike said:

It feels like this preseason we've had way more guys starting slow and recovering from surgery, not to mention a few injuries thrown in. Anyone else concerned heading into the season? I've got a slightly uneasy feeling about it all. Hopefully I'm just being paranoid!

Don't panic 'M'.  I think we are having an exceptional Pre season with very few real concerns. 

Only minor niggles, that the club thankfully is treating patiently with kid gloves.  The club rightly knows that it will be a long season for us...  and we will warm into the season, so that we can be full flight by May.

 

If we are 2 & 2 in the 1st month of the season we wil be in great shape for the ladder.  If we better that, we are in prime territory.

There is absolutely no point going off prematurely, and fading away after the midway point.

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My take on all the preseason surgeries, especially  'Oli'  have two shoulders Reco'd,  is not just for 2019...  but looking at 2019, 2020, 2021...

 

We are just starting to open our window,  to let the autumn breeze blow through.

Edited February 14, 20196 yr by DV8