Irrespective of the Jessie situation, people need to understand that clubs lie, players lie, AFL officials lie and Managers lie.

It is an art form in AFL football.

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Not bad Nashie. 
 

Give you a bed at my place and a dozen bush chooks and call yourself a wesstrayan. 

Don't you listen Nasher, if you're a Victorian then your a Victorian, (Just ask Bill Lawry).

He probably wouldn't even offer you a decent beer

Edited February 7, 20206 yr by dworship
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19 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Irrespective of the Jessie situation, people need to understand that clubs lie, players lie, AFL officials lie and Managers lie.

It is an art form in AFL football.

Are you lying now???

5 hours ago, Redleg said:

Irrespective of the Jessie situation, people need to understand that clubs lie, players lie, AFL officials lie and Managers lie.

It is an art form in AFL football.

And journalists (at best) mislead. It wouldn’t surprise me if he actually heard from a credible source that Hogan may not play another game for freo, but he’s got to exercise a bit of journalistic integrity about that information. 

Firstly we’re dealing with a young man that is taking time out due to mental health issues. Is there any room for compassion?

Secondly it’s actually not that much of a stretch to say it with nothing to back it up. Given everything he’s gone through, and the fact that we recently had another young player retire from mental health problems in Tom Boyd, it’s an easy thing to say and I’m sure people were already thinking it. 

The way he’s chosen to go with this story has shown himself to be nothing more than a gutter, tabloid journalist who wants to have his name quoted in multiple news sources. 

Edited February 7, 20206 yr by Pates

9 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Are you lying now???

I am not a player, club, AFL Official or Manager, but no, er yes, er maybe, er I am not telling. 

4 hours ago, Pates said:

And journalists (at best) mislead. It wouldn’t surprise me if he actually heard from a credible source that Hogan may not play another game for freo, but he’s got to exercise a bit of journalistic integrity about that information. 

Firstly we’re dealing with a young man that is taking time out due to mental health issues. Is there any room for compassion?

Secondly it’s actually not that much of a stretch to say it with nothing to back it up. Given everything he’s gone through, and the fact that we recently had another young player retire from mental health problems in Tom Boyd, it’s an easy thing to say and I’m sure people were already thinking it. 

The way he’s chosen to go with this story has shown himself to be nothing more than a gutter, tabloid journalist who wants to have his name quoted in multiple news sources. 

I think most people have compassion and empathy for Jesse and his situation, but obviously footballers  are news as we all know and their lives and situations are media fodder.

A story like him not playing again is big news and that is the business journos are in, so we don’t need to shoot the messenger,  whether he is right or wrong, he is doing his job.  I am sure he has heard something, as he wouldn’t just make up something that is totally wrong,  as he would look a fool. 
Even Robbo in his article, said he may never play for Freo again, actually repeating the original piece, but then including a statement from Bell, who denied him leaving, but not that he might never play for them again.

If Jesse retired, after a few days of headlines you wouldn’t hear his name mentioned again.  

Lastly,  I personally feel very sorry for a kid who I thought could be the next Carey, with all he has and still is enduring. I hope he gets back to full health.

Edited February 7, 20206 yr by Redleg

It sounds like Freo have tried to put some pressure on Jesse via media scuttlebut to get his social life in order, which would ideally help him handle any mental health Issues. 
Classic  good cop (club), bad cop (media speculation) routine being played out. It’s amateur, disrespectful and self fulfilling, in that if that’s how Freo handle players going through such issues and times, it contributes to making it unlikely Jesse will play footy for them again.

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

I think most people have compassion and empathy for Jesse and his situation, but obviously footballers  are news as we all know and their lives and situations are media fodder.

A story like him not playing again is big news and that is the business journos are in, so we don’t need to shoot the messenger,  whether he is right or wrong, he is doing his job.  I am sure he has heard something, as he wouldn’t just make up something that is totally wrong,  as he would look a fool. 
Even Robbo in his article, said he may never play for Freo again, actually repeating the original piece, but then including a statement from Bell, who denied him leaving, but not that he might never play for them again.

If Jesse retired, after a few days of headlines you wouldn’t hear his name mentioned again.  

Lastly,  I personally feel very sorry for a kid who I thought could be the next Carey, with all he has and still is enduring. I hope he gets back to full health.

Generally, I agree with your sentiments about Jesse’s recovery and also in general about not shooting the messengers.

However, it should be known that the messengers in this instance are well know for flinging about questionable scuttlebutt and their message about Jesse doesn’t  deserve to be given much credibility if at all.

12 hours ago, Redleg said:

Irrespective of the Jessie situation, people need to understand that clubs lie, players lie, AFL officials lie and Managers lie.

It is an art form in AFL football.

You forgot Prime Ministers and Cabinet Ministers.......

1 minute ago, dieter said:

You forgot Prime Ministers and Cabinet Ministers.......

and people who claim to be the best german fast bowler ?

13 hours ago, Redleg said:

Irrespective of the Jessie situation, people need to understand that clubs lie, players lie, AFL officials lie and Managers lie.

It is an art form in AFL football.

Crikey!! I hope Saty doesn't read this - he'll have a fit !

At least all officers of the court and police are trustworthy.

30 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Crikey!! I hope Saty doesn't read this - he'll have a fit !

Because track watchers aren't on the list?

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

and people who claim to be the best german fast bowler ?

I have testimony to that effect, from gun batsmen who faced me on a hat trick at Central Park: what would you know about cricket anyway?

54 minutes ago, Damo said:

At least all officers of the court and police are trustworthy.

Absolutely. And, tt least these days Pigs fly, just witness ScoMo's rantings.

31 minutes ago, dieter said:

gun batsmen who faced me on a hat trick

Is that what they call a geriatric?  (Jerry hat trick for those slow on the uptake)

Let’s not pretend that everything is fine and there isn’t an issue with hogan. 
 

He hasn’t been right for years and it isn’t a stretch that he might never play football again. 
 

He’s had both on and off field issues and it wouldn’t surprise me that he has multiple recreational drug violations.

There are several videos where is completely off his face. 

Then there was the car crash incident that was totally swept under the carpet.

Freo wouldn’t be doing the trade with dees if the knew what was going to transpire 

 

I think Bell had worked out that it  might not be a smooth ride with Jesse, and wanted to pull out of the trade. I recall that was announced on a Friday. By Monday, the higher ups at Freo, panicked by the thought of telling their supporter base that they'd let this rolled gold forward slip through their fingers, told Bell what was what and the trade was back on.

3 hours ago, Damo said:

At least all officers of the court and police are trustworthy.

Is that irony or sarcasm?

30 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

Let’s not pretend that everything is fine and there isn’t an issue with hogan. 
 

He hasn’t been right for years and it isn’t a stretch that he might never play football again. 
 

He’s had both on and off field issues and it wouldn’t surprise me that he has multiple recreational drug violations.

There are several videos where is completely off his face. 

Then there was the car crash incident that was totally swept under the carpet.

Freo wouldn’t be doing the trade with dees if the knew what was going to transpire 

 

I don't think you are too far off the mark there.

3 hours ago, Damo said:

At least all officers of the court and police are trustworthy.

 

5 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

Is that irony or sarcasm?

It's not a truism that's for certain

Take it to the bank, Hogan has asked management of any chance he can be traded back to Melbourne in 2020 trade period. Seeks a fresh start away from bad influences in WA

Yeah, nah.

They take Brown?

Highly unlikely x 100. 
Anyway Freo would ask for Luke Jackson and the answer would be NO FU&))&N WAY