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6 minutes ago, old dee said:

I am struggling with what he has done wrong. Freo are not  playing finals, there are no transfered cases in WA. The general population can pretty much do as they please. Am I missing something?

 

 

 

When returning to WA from interstate, you are required to self isolate for 14 days. Only those who live at the same address may you come in to contact with. 

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41 minutes ago, old dee said:

I am struggling with what he has done wrong. Freo are not  playing finals, there are no transfered cases in WA. The general population can pretty much do as they please. Am I missing something?

 

 

 

It's a WA law breach, not a specific AFL Covid rule breach (although the AFL procedures may include an obligation to follow State rules and laws).

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36 minutes ago, old dee said:

I am struggling with what he has done wrong. Freo are not  playing finals, there are no transfered cases in WA. The general population can pretty much do as they please. Am I missing something?

 

 

 

There is no other country in the world that has closed internal states off from one another like we have.

Sure cities and areas have been quarantined and distance restrictions have been imposed but States.... not to my knowledge.

Hogan came from an isolated hub where the players are tested once or twice a week..... the application of sensible risk based decision making has been overtaken by the mantra of populism.

Must be a lot of "social police" in WA

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7 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There is no other country in the world that has closed internal states off from one another like we have.

Sure cities and areas have been quarantined and distance restrictions have been imposed but States.... not to my knowledge.

Hogan came from an isolated hub where the players are tested once or twice a week..... the application of sensible risk based decision making has been overtaken by the mantra of populism.

Must be a lot of "social police" in WA

As you suggest absurd. 

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17 minutes ago, old dee said:

As you suggest absurd. 

Yes and no, Mr Old.

Players all agreed to the terms of AFL hub and state quarantine rules as part of their continuing ability to travel Australia and play footy. They are high profile, highly paid professional sports people. Doesn't seem like a big ask, especially since no one can be 100% sure they haven't come into contact with the virus. He knew what he was doing, must've known it was wrong, got caught

I'd call it low risk, but certainly not no risk

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30 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Yes and no, Mr Old.

Players all agreed to the terms of AFL hub and state quarantine rules as part of their continuing ability to travel Australia and play footy. They are high profile, highly paid professional sports people. Doesn't seem like a big ask, especially since no one can be 100% sure they haven't come into contact with the virus. He knew what he was doing, must've known it was wrong, got caught

I'd call it low risk, but certainly not no risk

I had forgotten they are supposed to be in quarantine on return. As for brains and high paid sportsmen they quite often don't go together. 

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1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There is no other country in the world that has closed internal states off from one another like we have.

Sure cities and areas have been quarantined and distance restrictions have been imposed but States.... not to my knowledge.

Hogan came from an isolated hub where the players are tested once or twice a week..... the application of sensible risk based decision making has been overtaken by the mantra of populism.

Must be a lot of "social police" in WA

Keep in mind that not every other country has "internal states".

Nevertheless, ever since these cross-border lockdowns were introduced I've been waiting for Denis Denuto to take the case to the High Court to test the constitutionality of the matter. I guess in a way that's what Clive Palmer was doing...and he does seem like a character straight out of 'The Castle'.

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13 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Keep in mind that not every other country has "internal states".

Germany, UK (call them countries), India, Pakistan, USA, Canada, France (called regions) Malaysia, China (regions) Spain (regions) and the list goes on

Have no issue with risk based quarantine but to base it on arbitrary State/Region lines is not what anyone else in the world is doing

 

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15 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Germany, UK (call them countries), India, Pakistan, USA, Canada, France (called regions) Malaysia, China (regions) Spain (regions) and the list goes on

Have no issue with risk based quarantine but to base it on arbitrary State/Region lines is not what anyone else in the world is doing

 

Including USA, Spain, UK, India and France doesn't really help the argument when you compare their infection numbers with Australia's.

The real issue, which I suspect we will both agree with, is whether there is cause and effect. That is, has closing State borders actually made any difference?

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Could this latest indiscretion be the final straw for Jesse at Freo and perhaps see him be a little cheaper on the market? (Both serious and a little tongue in cheek ?

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2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There is no other country in the world that has closed internal states off from one another like we have.

Somewhat disingenuous. Not all countries have the same systems of internal governance, nor for that matter the same geographies or travel infrastructure.

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1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

France (called regions)

I'm in France. Unlike the States in Oz, the Regions here have zero statutory or legislative power. They couldn't enforce border controls even if they wanted - though there are no regional borders anyway, except for a "Welcome to" sign alongside the autoroute. The Regions basically run the education system locally, build roads and public transport infrastructure, contribute to culture and tourism, but that's about it. Apart from that, they're largely symbolic: if you want to get on politically in France you run for mayor, you don't go into the Region.

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