1 minute ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

I say im optimistic about our defence in 2019, you say "wrong, that's why we got lever"... your bringing shame to jnr's name

No you said it was a myth that we struggled in defence. You are objectively wrong.

Has Hogan officially requested a trade?

11 minutes ago, Redleg said:

 

What, Jesse can write with either hand?

A bigger asset would be if he kicked with both feet, and at least kicked accurately with his preferred. 

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Why not. We simply tell them what will get the deal done. It's called naming your price.

Yep, Adelaide did it with Lever and got exactly what they wanted.

No

2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

No you said it was a myth that we struggled in defence. You are objectively wrong.

and continued to say in the same post that with another preseason of development plus Lever our best defender coming back, we would be looking decent down back. You are objectively neglecting half my argument, trump style. Nice work grampa

2 minutes ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

I say im optimistic about our defence in 2019, you say "wrong, that's why we got lever"... your bringing shame to jnr's name

btw, the 70's called and wants its joke back

How can you be optimistic about a defence that finished bottom 4-6 in key defensive statistical categories?

Because you’re ‘confident’ Oscar and Frost will magically morph into Barrass and McGovern over the off-season?

Seems all you’ve got is a pretty flimsy gut feel and that’s about it.

No progress on the Hogan front today. There's still no word if he's requested a trade or not.

We've had a hypothetical discussion with Freo, which may mean it's been organised behind closed doors already, but until Neale is traded to Brisbane we probably won't see any progress as Freo need that first rounder to satisfy a trade for Hogan.

4 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

How can you be optimistic about a defence that finished bottom 4-6 in key defensive statistical categories?

Because you’re ‘confident’ Oscar and Frost will magically morph into Barrass and McGovern over the off-season?

Seems all you’ve got is a pretty flimsy gut feel and that’s about it.

Jake Lever, our best defender to come back, huge area of improvement. Third time ive said it.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/melbourne-demons/melbournes-neville-jetta-at-forefront-of-better-defence-ng-b88957107z

Leaking points does not equal poor key position players. Our mids were all downhill skiers for many games in 2018. If we had matthew scarlett and rance against west coast it would not have made a difference because we gave the ball back in the worst positions on the ground. May good, but we can also do well without him, if we don't get him. 

Edited October 8, 20186 yr by Lord Neville X Flash

Apologies if this is already up here somewhere...I just cant bring myself to read back 15 pages when nothing has actually happened!  

Gary Buckenara in the sun said this about jesses value.

" There is an element of buyer beware with Hogan, however, given he has a long history of injury and illness that would be of concern. Plus there are the attitude issues with his body language and negativity that have been well-documented.I don’t think he’s worth two first-round picks. I place his trade value at an early first-round pick and maybe a swap of second-round picks, but those injury and performance issues impact the Demons’ ability to get a sweetener" 

As much as I hate to admit it ( please dont shout at me)  he may well be right. If i think of Oliver leaving  its internal hysteria and wanting to two top 5 picks. Hogan is not affecting me and many here in the same for the reasons I think that Bucky lists. 

Page 195.  5 more pages before we know anything....

1 minute ago, Wells 11 said:

Apologies if this is already up here somewhere...I just cant bring myself to read back 15 pages when nothing has actually happened!  

Gary Buckenara in the sun said this about jesses value.

" There is an element of buyer beware with Hogan, however, given he has a long history of injury and illness that would be of concern. Plus there are the attitude issues with his body language and negativity that have been well-documented.I don’t think he’s worth two first-round picks. I place his trade value at an early first-round pick and maybe a swap of second-round picks, but those injury and performance issues impact the Demons’ ability to get a sweetener" 

As much as I hate to admit it ( please dont shout at me)  he may well be right. If i think of Oliver leaving  its internal hysteria and wanting to two top 5 picks. Hogan is not affecting me and many here in the same for the reasons I think that Bucky lists. 

But..... he is contracted... so freo pay premium which is two top 10 picks. Or we keep him. 

3 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Apologies if this is already up here somewhere...I just cant bring myself to read back 15 pages when nothing has actually happened!  

Gary Buckenara in the sun said this about jesses value.

" There is an element of buyer beware with Hogan, however, given he has a long history of injury and illness that would be of concern. Plus there are the attitude issues with his body language and negativity that have been well-documented.I don’t think he’s worth two first-round picks. I place his trade value at an early first-round pick and maybe a swap of second-round picks, but those injury and performance issues impact the Demons’ ability to get a sweetener" 

As much as I hate to admit it ( please dont shout at me)  he may well be right. If i think of Oliver leaving  its internal hysteria and wanting to two top 5 picks. Hogan is not affecting me and many here in the same for the reasons I think that Bucky lists. 

  I can't think what he is referring to about illness, but if it is his testicular cancer, Buckernara is an idiot.

They wouldn’t be trying to work out a trade deal for Hogan if he doesn’t want to go.

 

24 minutes ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

Jake Lever, our best defender to come back, huge area of improvement. Third time ive said it.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/melbourne-demons/melbournes-neville-jetta-at-forefront-of-better-defence-ng-b88957107z

Leaking points does not equal poor key position players. Our mids were all downhill skiers for many games in 2018. If we had matthew scarlett and rance against west coast it would not have made a difference because we gave the ball back in the worst positions on the ground. May good, but we can also do well without him, if we don't get him. 

Forget the West Coast prelim. We were emotionally out of petrol tickets before the ball had been bounced. 

Look more at the Grand Final, where you’ve got two quality midfields on their game going at full click. The difference at the end of the day was Kennedy was too big and too good on a few critical occasions for the Pie defenders. Darling too won a few brute strength one on ones that we’re telling. Result? The Eagles return home with a fourth Cup for their trophy cabinet. 5 point victors.

Lever will be a welcome return to the side (let’s hope his knee stands up after a SECOND reco) but he is not a gorilla minder in the manner Steve May is. 

Sorry but I’m not willing to trust Oscar and Frost as a pairing on the off hunch that both are going to become AA quality key defenders over the preseason. I don’t just want to make the Big Dance like we’ve done in the past ... I want to win the damned thing. Thankfully it appears our FD are thinking the same thing.

The fact that Collingwood and Hawthorn are also chasing May should tell you something. At the top end winning and losing a flag is a game of slender margins. Go into a Grand Final with a shaky back six at your peril.

Edited October 8, 20186 yr by EnterTheDragon

9 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Apologies if this is already up here somewhere...I just cant bring myself to read back 15 pages when nothing has actually happened!  

Gary Buckenara in the sun said this about jesses value.

" There is an element of buyer beware with Hogan, however, given he has a long history of injury and illness that would be of concern. Plus there are the attitude issues with his body language and negativity that have been well-documented.I don’t think he’s worth two first-round picks. I place his trade value at an early first-round pick and maybe a swap of second-round picks, but those injury and performance issues impact the Demons’ ability to get a sweetener" 

As much as I hate to admit it ( please dont shout at me)  he may well be right. If i think of Oliver leaving  its internal hysteria and wanting to two top 5 picks. Hogan is not affecting me and many here in the same for the reasons I think that Bucky lists. 

He’s right with regards to the foot injury. That’s it. And the foot injury is said to be of no concern.

The whole thing about negative body language comes from those who haven’t watched him play for 12 months. There was little sign of that last season. He’s maturing, like everyone does at different rates,

Hogan had kicked 30 goals by the midpoint of the season, but this fool and others like him are talking about “body language” like it detracts from his trade value . He’s an idiot. Hogan is worth two first round picks. Minimum. If the club accepts anything less it will be daylight robbery.

Page 195, Jesse's height in cm, could be a sign.....

3 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Forget the West Coast prelim. We were emotionally out of petrol tickets before the ball had been bounced. 

Look more at the Grand Final, where you’ve got two quality midfields on their game going at full click. The difference at the end of the day was Kennedy was too big and too good on a few critical occasions for the Pie defenders. Darling too won a few critical one on ones that we’re telling. Result? The Eagles return home with a fourth Cup for their trophy cabinet.

Lever will be a welcome return to the side (let’s hope his knee stands up after a SECOND reco) but he is not a gorilla minder in the manner Steve May is. 

Sorry but I’m not willing to trust Oscar and Frost as a pairing on the off hunch that both are going to become AA quality key defenders over the presEason. I don’t just want to make the Big Dance like we’ve done in the past ... I want to win the damned thing.

The fact that Collingwood and Hawthorn are also chasing May should tell you something. At the top end winning and losing a flag is a game of tiny margins. Go into a Grand Final with a shaky back six at your peril.

why do people on demonland twist other people words to support their argument? can't you just say your piece without the propaganda?

No one is talking about Oscar and Frost being AA. Fair if you want may, he is clearly a good addition for us. My opinion is simply that we can win the GF without him.

We can improve defensively the following ways:

1. Greater two way running from the entire team. Our young list will have another preseason, and particularly the young mids will continue to build their tank and be more accountable without the ball. 

2. Another pre-season of a core 20 players will mean better chemistry and understanding of defensive structures.

3. Lever will come back in and make a huge difference.

4. Internal improvements from Frost (Skills and football smarts) and Omac (strength and confidence), with the better player taking up the FB position. The loser will bang on the door in the VFL.

5. Potential huge growth from a VFL defender such as Hunt, Smith, Wagner, who could fight their way into the team, and have a great year. 

22 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Apologies if this is already up here somewhere...I just cant bring myself to read back 15 pages when nothing has actually happened!  

Gary Buckenara in the sun said this about jesses value.

" There is an element of buyer beware with Hogan, however, given he has a long history of injury and illness that would be of concern. Plus there are the attitude issues with his body language and negativity that have been well-documented.I don’t think he’s worth two first-round picks. I place his trade value at an early first-round pick and maybe a swap of second-round picks, but those injury and performance issues impact the Demons’ ability to get a sweetener" 

As much as I hate to admit it ( please dont shout at me)  he may well be right. If i think of Oliver leaving  its internal hysteria and wanting to two top 5 picks. Hogan is not affecting me and many here in the same for the reasons I think that Bucky lists. 

this is straight out of Dr Goebbels disinformation manual.

Brayshaw is in this deal somewhere, and maybe so is Van den Berg.....

36 minutes ago, TheoX said:

Yep, Adelaide did it with Lever and got exactly what they wanted.

2017 pick 10 and 2018 pick 15 with some later pick swaps was a bargain for Lever.

The 15 may end up being 16 or 17 depending upon Lycett compo and academy matching

27'c today in Melbourne, perfect Perth weather, think Jesse will stay now.

40 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Why not. We simply tell them what will get the deal done. It's called naming your price.

It's very us. Not stuffing around. Might save a few tons of manure.

2 minutes ago, SFebes said:

27'c today in Melbourne, perfect Perth weather, think Jesse will stay now.

19'c  and showers tomorrow.