On 09/09/2018 at 05:49, Thehardtackler said:

Never mind. I can't explain to non competitive people about this topic. Rugby has more of this contact and no one really complains about physical contact in the game, fair or unfair. AFL is becoming soccer like in terms of those fans that follow it. Too many softies. 

  On 09/09/2018 at 05:24, Thehardtackler said:

Go and play rugby or footy competitively, then get back to me. I have a Masters Degree and am far from stupid, I just hate bleeding heart liberals. 

Bloody hell mate, @dieter himself will tell you that I am about as far from a "bleeding heart liberal" as you can get.

But on this, I am 100% opposite to your opinion.

What Greene did was not tough footy. It was a coward act from a bloke who was scared of contact. A stop to the face could easily remove someones eye. Think about what you are saying.

But the players need to police it or it will never be stamped out. The MRP is counter-productive as it is not owned by the players. 

Edited September 9, 20186 yr by Thehardtackler

I never once hit anyone when I played rugby. My pride would not allow me to do such a thing. I like to win fairly. 

Having said that, the players can only name and shame violent thugs. The MRP will never make it happen. Gaff is only ashamed because of what his peers think. They now see him as a sniper. 

  On 09/09/2018 at 06:04, faultydet said:

Bloody hell mate, @dieter himself will tell you that I am about as far from a "bleeding heart liberal" as you can get.

But on this, I am 100% opposite to your opinion.

What Greene did was not tough footy. It was a coward act from a bloke who was scared of contact. A stop to the face could easily remove someones eye. Think about what you are saying.

Agree entirely. Bravery on a football field is not about kicking someone in the face or chest.

  On 09/09/2018 at 06:08, Thehardtackler said:

But the players need to police it or it will never be stamped out. The MRP is counter-productive as it is not owned by the players. 

This is an epic goal post shift. You’ve gone from endorsing Greene’s actions, about how tough he is and should be left alone, to rambling about the toothless MRP and how “the players have to police it”. The players should police a legitimate, tough tactic?

  On 09/09/2018 at 05:14, Thehardtackler said:

That is because you like soft footy. 

But you are advocating in favour of soft football, nothing Toby is doing could be considered tough or hard by any rational or sane person

The dirtiest player in the AFL. I hate him but he is a good player. It should be outlawed what he's been doing.

  On 09/09/2018 at 05:31, Thehardtackler said:

Typically footy fans. You sort out people like Greene within the opposition team. Look at how Melbourne roughed up Geelong, that is how you deal with bullies. The MRP is toothless. The players only care if they miss a Grand Final because of it. It is a stupid American solution. There are better ways to deal with thuggish behaviour. The players can police it more effectively. 

Yes in Martial Arts I have been kicked in the face a fair bit, you get used ti it, but no lasting damage. Plus you learn to block, it hurts less! 

You sound like one of those meatheads that think street justice is the way to sort out problems.

  On 09/09/2018 at 03:36, daisycutter said:

don't like it. but it's going to be hard to define it

bit like when they tried to define chucking in cricket and used degrees of elbow bend with a different degree for fast bowlers vs spinners

certainly bringing the leg/foot upto the horizontal seems dangerous and unfair

That’s the way I see it, in a grey area of the rules but certainly a dangerous action. Not quite deliberate  kicking or instintive fend off. Nothing will happen until the lawmakers make a ruling on it or he goes head high again and hurts someone.

Edited September 9, 20186 yr by america de cali

  On 09/09/2018 at 05:31, Thehardtackler said:

Typically footy fans. You sort out people like Greene within the opposition team. Look at how Melbourne roughed up Geelong, that is how you deal with bullies. The MRP is toothless. The players only care if they miss a Grand Final because of it. It is a stupid American solution. There are better ways to deal with thuggish behaviour. The players can police it more effectively. 

Yes in Martial Arts I have been kicked in the face a fair bit, you get used ti it, but no lasting damage. Plus you learn to block, it hurts less! 

Oh I see. You're just trolling is all.....

19.2.2 Specific Offences
Any of the following types of conduct is a Reportable Offence:
(a) intentionally or carelessly:
...
(ii) kicking another person;
.. 
(vi) engaging in rough conduct against an opponent which in the circumstances is unreasonable; 
...
(h) attempting to kick another person;

 

15.4.5 Prohibited Contact and Payment of Free Kick
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player where they are satisfied that the Player has made Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player.

A Player makes Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player if the Player:
...
(d) unduly pushes, bumps, blocks, holds an opposition Player or deliberately interferes with the arms of an opposition Player, who is in the act of Marking or attempting to Mark the football;
...
(k) engages in rough conduct against an opposition Player which in the circumstances is unreasonable;

 

 

It is unsportsmanlike, dangerous, goes against the spirit of AFL. We don't need another specific rule that says "you can't raise your foot in a marking contest"; the rules are already there.  The AFL just needs the balls to charge him. 

It's a disgrace. 

Wouldn't you rather see him taken to task by a few Melbourne players rather than the MRP. It is a more satisfying way to deal with a bully. 

  On 09/09/2018 at 08:10, Thehardtackler said:

Wouldn't you rather see him taken to task by a few Melbourne players rather than the MRP. It is a more satisfying way to deal with a bully. 

Good to see the old lynch mob attitude to running society is live and well in Mernda.   

Masters degree in stupidity.

Has he finished? 

I reckon he's gone blind...

  On 09/09/2018 at 05:31, sue said:

Sounds like you are a false-flag left winger trying to discredit right wingers.  Keep up the good work.

Really good laugh at this ?, Dieter myself and Pro all liking the same post, Gold!.

@Thehardtackler What we served up to Geelong is tough, hard and fair footy, Nev standing in front of Selwood and stopping him cold. I honestly think Greene should get lateral force to his knee and spend 12 months in rehab, it is that much of a dog act what he does.

It’s a bad look. I know there technically nothing that can be done but there’s at least gotta be a height limit. Maybe waist level.

If I do one poo, Thehardtackler does two. 

Then he’ll roundhouse kick it whilst completing his doctorate in rocket science. 

Edited September 9, 20186 yr by Ethan Tremblay

He should get three weeks for kicking a player in the face using his boot, it's a dog act, and if the AFL don't then i hope some one knocks him out.

  On 09/09/2018 at 05:24, Thehardtackler said:

Go and play rugby or footy competitively, then get back to me. I have a Masters Degree and am far from stupid, I just hate bleeding heart liberals. 

A masters in baiting perhaps.

  On 09/09/2018 at 08:01, deanox said:

It is unsportsmanlike, dangerous, goes against the spirit of AFL. We don't need another specific rule that says "you can't raise your foot in a marking contest"; the rules are already there.  The AFL just needs the balls to charge him. 

It's a disgrace. 

I completely agree.

He's not using the kick to protect himself, he's using it to guard space.

He's actually kicking out at an opponent and that's kicking in danger.

No need for a rule change.

Could also be seen as a kicking report if he makes contact, and he does.

Knee up for protection yes, foot up questionable but kicking out most definitely not.