Key tactical issues v Geelong

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,364]

58 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

It's Simple.

Keep Hawkins to 3 goals or less, we win the game. 

I also thought we’d win when we kept Buddy to 2 goals.

[mrtwister 652]

Menzel was quiet last week.

Just sayin'

[Adam The God 30,644]

Clarry will have the Scott Selwood tag.

Viney head to head with Ablett - he'll scare Jesus.

Harmes to Dangerfield for a tag.

Brayshaw v Joel Selwood. Gus has to lift his defensive game, which is probably his weakness, but should be able to win footy on the outside and make ducker accountable.

Tyson head to head with Kelly.

I'd go Jones on Duncan. 

[640MD 3,510]

13 hours ago, 000 said:

Important to keep Scott guessing about us. We have lots of flexibility and should use it.
Most importantly is to lower our eyes, hit the easy target, get the basics right and play some creative take it on football. 

Love your analysis, not sure I could get anywhere near that   I want us to start well, strong and hard. We kick the first couple of goals let them play catch up!

think we will win   Go Dees !!

[Grimes Times 1,278]

9 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

God I remember 87 like it was yesterday. After Vineys goal we were never in trouble.

I'll never forget the MCG roar from that day

Going to that game is my earliest football memory as an 11 year old.

[DeeZee 7,463]

When going forward we have to make sure we keep the passes low and do not kick it up on the air anywhere near the vicinity of Tom Stewart.

[The Chazz 4,077]

38 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

When going forward we have to make sure we keep the passes low and do not kick it up on the air anywhere near the vicinity of Tom Stewart.

I'd have Melksham tag Stewart, then try and isolate him one out in the F50.  Stewart was terrible in last year's finals, and will get bloody nervous again if the ball keeps coming in his direction in a one-on-one capacity.  I really think Stewart is vulnerable one-on-one, so I'd be playing our best one-on-one forward on him.

I'm going to be interested to see how Scott plays his talls (at both ends).  They have Hawkins, Henderson, Blicavs, Taylor and to some degree Henry.  If they play 3 tall defenders (likely to be Blicavs, Taylor and Henderson), then our forwards should be too quick for them.  Blicavs is the only one they have that can go with Tom, so we're going to need a huge game from Sammy Weid as I'm certain Henderson will go to him.  Playing him in that traditional lead-up CHF role, taking Henderson away from his comfort zone, will help open up the F50.

It's because of this that I think they play 3 tall forwards (likely to be Henry, Hawkins and possibly Taylor), then I wonder what we do about the third tall.  Frost to Dorkins, Oscar to Taylor, then maybe Hibberd to zone off on Henry, then have Fritsch play that rebounding role that Hibberd normally plays.

Tuohy and Bews are my biggest concerns in their back half.  Do we bring in Bugg to tag Tuohy out of the game, or do we give that job to ANB?  Personally, I could see ANB playing on Duncan, leaving Hannan for Tuohy/Bews.

ABSOLUTELY VITAL that we go 6-6-6, and not allow them a loose defender.

 

 

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

On 8/27/2018 at 2:06 PM, Lord Neville X Flash said:

Hawkins. He killed us last game, and it wasn't necessarily OMAC's fault.

 

It was goodwins.

Wrong match up. Frost should of been on him from the start. Further more TMac went to him in the third qtr after we went 27 up. We should of left him there.

Goodwin stuffed up. Not omac.

[Deemania since 56 6,774]

8 hours ago, MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday said:

It was goodwins.

Wrong match up. Frost should of been on him from the start. Further more TMac went to him in the third qtr after we went 27 up. We should of left him there.

Goodwin stuffed up. Not omac.

Blicavs is a player who rumbles us quite often; he needs to have an 'accident' with a nice run-through from Vanders going about his geographical, field-wide excursions, and a follow-up from Harmes when he (Blicavs) gets up from the carpet. 

[jnrmac 20,307]

On 8/31/2018 at 8:46 AM, SFebes said:

They wont want a shootout so I expect them to try and flood. They will back their midfield (Ablett, Selwood, Kelly, Dangerfield, Duncan) to get first hand on it to set up the win. Gawn and connection with our mids is where this will won or lost. The only way they can stop our freight train is to stop our scoring so I expect a slog. I don't think my heart could take another close game though, would love to stick it right up Chris Scott.

Geelong are 16th for centre clearances. Its their defensive rebound where they will be confident of winning it. That's why our last two weeks have been so important. Hitting up targets i50 AND stopping run from defence.

19 fwd marks against WC.

 

[SFebes 4,884]

35 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Geelong are 16th for centre clearances. Its their defensive rebound where they will be confident of winning it. That's why our last two weeks have been so important. Hitting up targets i50 AND stopping run from defence.

19 fwd marks against WC.

 

I agree but in general all year their midfield has been down, the form of Selwood, Danger (AA?!) have been down, Duncan not the form of recent years that we're used to, they will back these guys in in a big game to stand up, Dangers best game for the year was in R23. Ablett hasn't been as bad as many think. Our midfield pressure/defence/two way running will determine how far we go in coming weeks. Lowering our eyes as you say has been refreshing compared to what we've seen all year (finally).

[Diamond_Jim 12,721]

Little doubt that they will flood our forwardline and rely upon their midfield to cut us up on the rebound.

We can either apply forward pressure and maintain ball control or relax the press a little. What we cannot do is bomb the ball to the 30 metre mark and then watch it come sailing back over the defensive press thus putting the likes of Hawkins etc one on one.

The problem with our game plan is that it only takes two 15 minute bursts the other way to undo all our good forward work. And of course we need to kick reasonably straight on goals..2 goals 6 and the like for a quarter will kill us.

PS: Against WCE our midfielders got caught a few times disposing the ball into the 50 as they were lowering their eyes. Didn't mind this at all because it gave us a chance to reset downfield from the resultant free kick rather than bomb inside the forward 50 and watch the ball come out in an uncontrolled manner.

Not sure I put much weight on the GWS game as other than controlled ball movement in the first 15 minutes GWS were not on their game.  (Lovely to see the win though.)

 

Edited September 3, 2018 by Diamond_Jim

[Lord Travis 10,803]

On 8/31/2018 at 1:17 PM, The Chazz said:

ABSOLUTELY VITAL that we go 6-6-6, and not allow them a loose defender.

This. We've struggled all year with teams that play a loose defender to intercept forward movements by foot. When we're playing well we lower our eyes and hit shorter leading targets. Hitting these targets means we maintain possession and force their players to come man us up, thus spreading them out further and creating more space for us to utilise. It also creates pressure on the opposition defenders. When we're really on, we also use lots of overlap running to build the pressure even further. Games like last weekend, we were hitting targets and running forward in waves with confidence. 

When we're panicked, we bomb long. Good teams don't do this. They pass backwards or sideways to maintain possession and open up gaps in opposition defence. Teams have identified we struggle with this and play a loose defender against us. No use winning the ball at stoppages if you're just handing it back to the opposition. The Hawks game should be reviewed as a perfect example of opposition coaching on how we can be beaten. Control our forward movement without bombing long to an out number we we will win comfortably.  

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

We cannot allow Stewart to play loose.

[binman 44,719]

41 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

 

Not sure I put much weight on the GWS game as other than controlled ball movement in the first 15 minutes GWS were not on their game.  (Lovely to see the win though.)

 

Don't agree with this. I thought they were really good up until about half way through the second q when we started to get on top.

It was very high quality game up until that point with some of their field kicking brilliant. What we did well was spread hard and not allow them as many uncontested marks as they would have liked. When they got one we worked hard to stop them playing on and moving the ball quickly. They struggled to get out the back of our press.  

After we got on top they did fall away but that was at least partly due to our incredible pressure and swarming intensity. We just didn't let them play well at all.

Our last goal deep in the last was the perfect example. A series of crushing tackles as they looked to move the ball through the corridor led to a turnover and goal.

Our all ground, all team pressure was awesome and clearly the team has responded to Goodie's criticism from the Sydney game that our defensive running was not up to standard (as close as he has come to giving the players a public bake). 

Keeping GWS to 47 points on beautiful day for footy was impressive, particularly with two rotations down for most of the match (one down for all of the match practically)

Edited September 3, 2018 by binman

[layzie 34,396]

Our half forwards must push up when we get it and make options.  Massive effort needed from Milkshakes, Hannan and ANB here. 

I never buy into the Ablett out of from thing. Very wary of his potential impact.

 

[Brownie 6,080]

I agree with a lot that's been said above.

Lowering our eyes into 50......

Not pressing too hard and being hit on the rebound....

Straight 666 formation.

I think with Viney in, Goody may play Clarrie a little more forward at times again too.

A big factor will be how we start. We can't afford stage fright.
I was stoked to see the whole squad went down to Casey and watched the team absolutely murder 17 AFL listed Geelong players on Saturday.
No percentage on offer and they still hunted and pressed for four full quarters to beat them by 91 points. Ruthless footy.
It's given me a lot more confidence the way the whole squad is in this together.
Geelong will buckle if we bring this pressure to the game. 

I think they'll target Gawn heavily this game. The spotlight has been on him these last two weeks and I think they'll be out to physically target him and grapple with him in the ruck. There's been many games over the last two years where he's been impeded by the other ruckman when they are losing and he hardly ever gets a free.
Not sure how we will counter this? 

I would expect Selwood to possibly try ducking and playing for frees :)
 

[Willmoy1947 4,222]

Kelly tried to iron out Oliver last time we played this mob. I hope the Umpires are aware of what is going on.

Ablett and Dangerfield made the Umpires look second rate with a decision that ended up changing the course of the game. I hope the Umpires do not listen to the Coach of Geelong like last time after a game. The game is not at Geelong and the Umpires need not be scared of anyone. MFC supporters will protect their integrity.

The secret tactic i heard from MFC's point of view is called "off their legs"

 

[DeezNuts 624]

5 hours ago, willmoy said:

Kelly tried to iron out Oliver last time we played this mob. I hope the Umpires are aware of what is going on.

Ablett and Dangerfield made the Umpires look second rate with a decision that ended up changing the course of the game. I hope the Umpires do not listen to the Coach of Geelong like last time after a game. The game is not at Geelong and the Umpires need not be scared of anyone. MFC supporters will protect their integrity.

The secret tactic i heard from MFC's point of view is called "off their legs"

 

Do continue..

[chookrat 4,268]

How do we combat Abblet's persistent wingeing to the umpires every time he cops some physical contact? 

[deebug 1,754]

14 minutes ago, chookrat said:

How do we combat Abblet's persistent wingeing to the umpires every time he cops some physical contact? 

I hope the umpires are on that c*@! from the start, and do not get fooled by their hisses fits.

[Frustrated Demon 252]

Whoever plays on Ablett must be effective on offence and make him accountable. Give the job to Harmes as he likes to get the ball and run. Ablett will not last a full game

[old55 23,848]

Geelong will set up 7-6-5 and will have an extra defender when we go 6-6-6.  That's what happened vs GWS. 

[Lord Travis 10,803]

3 hours ago, chookrat said:

How do we combat Abblet's persistent wingeing to the umpires every time he cops some physical contact? 

Hit him harder until he’s incapable of whining due to be unconscious or gasping for air. Hit them hard Dees. Make those tackles hurt.

[Willmoy1947 4,222]

7 hours ago, DeezNuts said:

Do continue..

It's a secret tactic so i'll tell all after the Game