Round 13 Non - MFC Games

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

In regards to Carlton. I have a close friend who’s a one-eyed Blue. He has been optimistic about his club and went as far as saying last year his team would be pushing for finals in 2019. He contacted me last night to say he’s finally conceded and can’t see a way out for his once proud club. Clearly disappointed with recruiting, coaching/game plan and just about everything else.

No doubt a few of us had similar thoughts during our dark days but how many players on the Carlton list would you take to play at the MFC? Cripps and C Curnow would be the only 2 right now and maybe a fit Docherty but according to Gil it’s an exciting list that deserved multi prime time fixtures. I’m not sure getting rid of Bolton will fix anything down there.

[Grapeviney 9,712]

12 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Bolton or Richardson??

We'll know soon enough, when St Kilda lock horns with Carlton in what will be the biggest and best of all the Friday night blockbusters this year. 

Seriously - Carlton are playing St Kilda on a Friday night in a few weeks... ?

I'm tipping the Saints in a close one - St Kilda 1.7.13 d Carlton 1.3.9

[McQueen 17,864]

20 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

We'll know soon enough, when St Kilda lock horns with Carlton in what will be the biggest and best of all the Friday night blockbusters this year. 

Seriously - Carlton are playing St Kilda on a Friday night in a few weeks... ?

I'm tipping the Saints in a close one - St Kilda 1.7.13 d Carlton 1.3.9

I don’t know if St Kilda will kick that accurately.

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

27 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

We'll know soon enough, when St Kilda lock horns with Carlton in what will be the biggest and best of all the Friday night blockbusters this year. 

Seriously - Carlton are playing St Kilda on a Friday night in a few weeks... ?

I'm tipping the Saints in a close one - St Kilda 1.7.13 d Carlton 1.3.9

The AFL will put their foot down and umpires will crack down hard on defenders infringing on forwards and plenty of 50 metre penalties from the midfield. There will be a mandated target of at least 25 goals scored depending on both sides kick reasonably straight. As a last resort Channel 7 will engineer in intermittent broadcast interruptions so that they can sneak in a few commercials.

Edited June 17, 2018 by america de cali

[Macca 16,922]

38 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

In regards to Carlton. I have a close friend who’s a one-eyed Blue. He has been optimistic about his club and went as far as saying last year his team would be pushing for finals in 2019. He contacted me last night to say he’s finally conceded and can’t see a way out for his once proud club. Clearly disappointed with recruiting, coaching/game plan and just about everything else.

No doubt a few of us had similar thoughts during our dark days but how many players on the Carlton list would you take to play at the MFC? Cripps and C Curnow would be the only 2 right now and maybe a fit Docherty but according to Gil it’s an exciting list that deserved multi prime time fixtures. I’m not sure getting rid of Bolton will fix anything down there.

I'm of the belief that a coach still has a fair say in the outcome of his own list DZ - even though the recruiting technically falls into the area of others.  Even if it's to just give direction to the recruiters & spotters about the type of player that will suit his game plan. 

One of the mistakes that Carlton has made is taking the GWS failed draft picks ... most clubs tend to stay too long with their own said picks believing that the standout junior form will shine through eventually - of course,  a lot of times it doesn't and clubs eventually cut their losses.

Bolton has to rubber-stamp recruiting decisions as he would know that the buck stops with himself.  One could argue that the most important people within a club are the recruiting people and to me that's a joint effort (coach included) 

Carlton have bottomed out list wise and they need some fresh ideas.  We've had to do it at Melbourne at least 3 times in the recent past and each time it was with new sets of eyes.

Edited June 17, 2018 by Macca

[Redleg 40,839]

15 hours ago, DV8 said:

I think they need him to go. It will help them get ahead in the long run. They will get more picks starting again, and probably with more mature players, to help guide them.

Lynch's worth can help in this way. they'll get a couple of early picks and also some oldies.

 

Agree he may be far more value gone than staying and the AFL will give them even more.

Edited June 17, 2018 by Redleg

[Clintosaurus 7,838]

Chance to move up to fourth spot today.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Everyone talks about draft picks and developing youth but no one ever talks about culture....</p>&mdash; Rhys Palmer (@rhysCpalmer) 

 

1 hour ago, Return to Glory said:

I saw that McQueen and I was not sure what to make of it. Was it a swipe at Carlton? I assumed so. He's right in what he says in that a positive culture spreads just as quickly as a negative culture. I'm assuming it is referencing off the field as well as on?

I think he is referring to the untested but widely believed mantra that you "have to get games into the kids" and "get them games as a group". Because that's what top clubs have done.

Has anyone considered that top clubs have players who've played a lot together as a group because they're good players and don't get dropped? That the cart in fact comes after the horse?

That was Bailey's idea: no one over 25, get games into the kids as a group. Wait ... then voila! Something magical happens along the journey and ... flag!!!

And what did they learn, those kids playing together as a group? First, how to get the sh*t kicked out of them more often than is healthy. They certainly didn't learn a game plan or how to win. Second, because the club is committed to "the group", you don't get dropped.

(By the way: not trying to bag Dean. He was good guy with our best interests at heart but it just didn't work out.)

Not a recipe for a good culture. In the end we got an injection of culture with Roos and Jackson. Also Cross, Vince, Lewis. If people who know what to do can show other people what to do, there's a fair chance they'll catch on and do it too.

Carlton are trying this Bailey plan. But they're getting Neeld results. They're learning how to never kick 100 points. How to avoid thrashings (hah!) while never attacking themselves. How to be dejected and beaten by half time.

Funny, we copied CFC's tanking blueprint and it was fool's gold. That taught the rest of the football world that tanking for picks isn't worth it.

Now CFC are copying the MFC Bailey plan and it is reaping worse results than Bailey got. They are slow learners.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

42 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

I'm tipping the Saints in a close one - St Kilda 1.7.13 d Carlton 1.3.9

Saints will rapt with that many inside 50s. And so will Blues.

[Sir Why You Little 36,981]

49 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

We'll know soon enough, when St Kilda lock horns with Carlton in what will be the biggest and best of all the Friday night blockbusters this year. 

Seriously - Carlton are playing St Kilda on a Friday night in a few weeks... ?

I'm tipping the Saints in a close one - St Kilda 1.7.13 d Carlton 1.3.9

Good God this fixture just keeps getting worse

Fools and Idiots running a once great game

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

We must win next week. Huge game for our finals chances. Clubs on our heels, the Hawks, Pies, GWS and North are playing all bottom feeders next week. Upsets do not look likely. Only the Lions against GWS have a reasonable chance.

Edited June 17, 2018 by america de cali

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

1 minute ago, america de cali said:

We must win next week. Huge game for our finals chances. Hawks, Pies, GWS and North are playing all bottom feeders next week. Upsets do not look likely.

I agree big game next week, Need to win.

Then we have saints, dockers and dogs which should all be winnable.

Big month coming up.

 

PS wots with the VFL fixture... seriously another bye??

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

Carlton made the mistake of appointing a bloke who knew a sh$% load about tactics, but that he wanted to Coach as well.

The hierarchy just wanted to be always able to put their two bobs worth in as well. You know like always.......... 

[chookrat 4,247]

45 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Chance to move up to fourth spot today.

We wouldnt be moving up to fourth spot but rather Geelong moving down to fifth and us filling the space they left. 

[buck_nekkid 5,847]

Shame the weather has cleared.  Would love to see cats v tigers slog it out in sub zero sleet for a nil-all draw.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,826]

I knew Carlton were going to get thumped yesterday when I saw the roof was closed at Etihad and five of their players were wearing long sleeve jumpers. 

Edited June 17, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[SFebes 4,884]

4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I knew Carlton were going to get thumped yesterday when I saw the roof was closed at Etihad and five of their players were wearing long sleeve jumpers. 

Haha. For some reason that stadium is freezing even with the roof closed, must be how the wind drafts up through it, even on a sunny day it’s bloody cold. But yes, blues are depleted and soulless 

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,222]

if Carlton can't recruit any big names, they need to target players such as Tyson. 

[jumbo returns 6,739]

1 hour ago, bingers said:

if Carlton can't recruit any big names, they need to target players such as Tyson. 

And why would he go?

He is out of form - required player

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

Not a bad game at the G so far. Geelong dominating centre clearances and getting no reward due to a well drilled Richmond defence. 

 

[Gorgoroth 12,924]

Sitting 4th again on the live ladder 

[billyblanks29 184]

Can't see anyone beating Richmond come finals time at the 'G. Hate to say it but they'll go back to back. I might put $100 on them now to ease the pain.

[deesrule 104]

10 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Sitting 4th again on the live ladder 

Sitting fourth without having any games with a home ground advantage all year not too bad

[titan_uranus 24,974]

Our game against Port is huge. Win it and we'll be a game and percentage clear of Geelong and Port, as well as North and Hawthorn (assuming both win next week).

Lose it, and percentage will be all that keeps us in the 8 (as I would predict Collingwood to beat Carlton, Hawthorn to beat GC and North to beat the Dogs, making all of those clubs 8-5, and Port will move to 9-4). A GWS win over Brisbane would have them only a draw behind us too.

It is so, so tight from 4th to 10th. With Hawthorn's easier fixture and GWS potentially improving form, getting the points against Port will go a long way to giving us the confidence and breathing space that we're going to need to hold our finals spot.

Edited June 17, 2018 by titan_uranus
Got Port's record wrong, they're 8-4 at the moment.

[titan_uranus 24,974]

4 minutes ago, deesrule said:

Sitting fourth without having any games with a home ground advantage all year not too bad

North play two games a year at the G. I reckon that one counted as having home ground advantage.

It's also no one's fault but ours that we sold the Adelaide home game to Alice Springs.